Belichick should trade the 1st rounder for Garoppolo

[Pape]

Paying out a first after for an oft-injured guy after shipping him out for a second?


Has that ever worked in the NFL?*




*Yes, the question is serious. Anyone researching the answer should feel free to ignore the injury part of the question, and even the specific round of the first half of the trade, if that makes finding the answer easier.

closest i can come up with is Deion Branch going to Seattle for a 1st, and the Pats picking him up later on for a 4th... cant find anything remotely similar to the Jimmy G scenario proposed here

 

[RIpats88]

Jimmy G. is a really, really good QB...when he is healthy. Playing on grass at Levi Stadium in a warm climate has got to be better for his health than coming to a frozen Gillette.

I don't know how he got injured; did he try to scramble when he should have swallowed the ball? Can such suicidal tendencies be unlearned? If so, he would be an excellent pickup, but I doubt that SF would part with him for less than a first....

I think if they get another guy they will unload him for whatever they can get

 

[Triumph]

If BB knew who the guy should the Pat's would have had another good QB in 20 years.

Brisett, Mallet, Davey, Kingsbury, Hoyer, Bishop.

Jimmy has been the pick of the litter and he's no prize.

 

[Ross12]

I love this, Ross.

My hot take is HOU might not think they are getting enough in return.

Maybe, but getting a top 12 pick, plus a future first, and two picks in the top half of THIS year’s draft’s second round is pretty good value. They may have a hard time holding out for another first. A common thought process is that a pick loses a round of value for every year that passes - so a second this year is worth a first next year. By that logic two seconds (high ones at that) this year is like two firsts next year. And beyond that, it allows them to get their Watson replacement immediately and the ammo next year (two firsts) to start getting the ship pointed back in the right direction.

 

[carmelo15]

I still think JimmyG is getting some unfair heat since the SB. He was minutes away from winning and let's not forget Shanaham has some experience losing SBs.

The injuries are a problem indeed. I think they could offer a package instead of the 1st.

Jimmy is a fit in this offense.

Uh Shannahan drew up a play that had Sanders running all by himself to take the lead with a minute to go. Jimmy is the one that missed the throw with no pressure in his fave

 

[Ring 6]

Hmmm..Maybe, but I don't think so. I mean, I don't think we think of Dilfer or Foles or Johnson as great because they won. Or that idiot Eli for that matter. Is there anyone of the other 11 you'd put in that category?

I’m not talking about outliers. Compare the qbs who won 1 or 2 to the best who didn’t win any. Brees winning once in 20 years seems an odd dividing line against say Rivers who never did. Rodgers has 1. Favre has 1. Am I to believe their greatness is the difference between 1 and none, or are they competent QBs who lightning strikes for once and they have the best tram and therefore win?
If you can win with Rodgers and can’t with Ryan how cute Rodgers only has 1 and Ryan is a near miss?
I think the truth is that if you hand the reigns to a competent qb and put a crappy team around him he puts up numbers like Matt Stafford and doesn’t win but if you put a very good team around him he wins.
What is the difference between Ben Roetisberger and Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, or looking back Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc or aside from 1 year rodgers, Brees, etc.
What if Elway retired 2 years earlier.
There are so many questions and variables that there can’t be hard and fast rules.

 

[aluminum seats]

I’m not talking about outliers. Compare the qbs who won 1 or 2 to the best who didn’t win any. Brees winning once in 20 years seems an odd dividing line against say Rivers who never did. Rodgers has 1. Favre has 1. Am I to believe their greatness is the difference between 1 and none, or are they competent QBs who lightning strikes for once and they have the best tram and therefore win?
If you can win with Rodgers and can’t with Ryan how cute Rodgers only has 1 and Ryan is a near miss?
I think the truth is that if you hand the reigns to a competent qb and put a crappy team around him he puts up numbers like Matt Stafford and doesn’t win but if you put a very good team around him he wins.
What is the difference between Ben Roetisberger and Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, or looking back Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc or aside from 1 year rodgers, Brees, etc.
What if Elway retired 2 years earlier.
There are so many questions and variables that there can’t be hard and fast rules.

Good points

 

[aluminum seats]

Uh Shannahan drew up a play that had Sanders running all by himself to take the lead with a minute to go. Jimmy is the one that missed the throw with no pressure in his fave

JG definitely didn’t get it done the last five minutes of the Super Bowl. I don’t remember that play specifically, I’ll have to look it up

 

[slash83]

Na, most I would give up is a 2nd not the #15 pick.

 

[PaulThePat]

All I can really remember of Jimmy was two decent performances and then getting injured when he should have played all 4 games (in TB12's absence) at the start of 2016. Is he worth the hype? What would his ceiling be back in NE?

As it happens I'm reading several articles saying he's staying in SF, but I'm still intrigued as to what Pat fans think he would bring to Gillette.

 

[Joker]

No to Gotcrappolo...no to "dreamy" Jimmy and his plastic fantastic pornstar hooker girlfriends...just say NO

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Absolutely not! Just sit back and wait and see what the 49ers do during the draft. If the Falcons draft a QB, Ryan will be traded to SF. Cousins is also rumored as well. Jimmy G will then be released. Seats are heating up in SF. Lynch finally admitted his blunder saying he's haunted by passing on Mahomes for the legend of Soloman Thomas

They can't wait until the draft to have a QB in place. Free Agency starts next month, if they want any WR or TE to sign here, they need to know who the QB is.

 

[Rob0729]

If Belichick gives up more than a second, he was fleeced. Garoppolo is worth less now in trade value than he was when the Pats traded him to the 49ers. When the Pats' traded him, he was a potential franchise QB. Now he is a good, not great QB who still makes too many bad decisions and cannot stay on the field.

I have real questions about Jimmy G. I question his ability to protect his body and his toughness. We see plenty of QBs play through really significant injuries. Few starting QBs have missed as much time as Garoppolo due to injury. People talk about his record when he plays, but what is his record of how many games he would have started if he was healthy vs. how many of those games he missed due to injury. In three full years as the starter in the 49ers (I won't count the year he was traded through midseason since he was eased into the line up), he played 25 out of 48 regular season games and only played in every game in the season one of the three seasons. That is the record that scares the crap out of me if he was the QB of the Patriots.

 

[Triumph]

They can't wait until the draft to have a QB in place. Free Agency starts next month, if they want any WR or TE to sign here, they need to know who the QB is.

The best FA QBs will be gone and NE left with bad options.

Also, waiting till draft tips the Pats hand that they want QB early if not 1st round.

 

[amfootball]

I would rather go a different route than Jimmy. If we sign him then we have to make sure we have a starting caliber back up as well.

 

[p8ryts]

JG definitely didn’t get it done the last five minutes of the Super Bowl. I don’t remember that play specifically, I’ll have to look it up

Two plays that he was criticized for. Didn't see Kittle on a third down play and threw somewhere else and the overthrow in the end zone. The story seems to be that Shanahan and the rest of the team were wonderful and Jimmy sucked. No, the defense collapsed in the fourth quarter and Jimmy was getting heavy pressure and Shanahan's terrific run game stopped working. Yes it would have been great if the pass was on target but it was in the right spot, too long, and surprise a QB under duress didn't throw a perfect long bomb. Jeez! You don't remember but yet you criticize. Rewatch the whole game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I would rather go a different route than Jimmy. If we sign him then we have to make sure we have a starting caliber back up as well.

Who?

If they can't land Rus or Watson a Jimmy/Mariota combo isn't all that bad.

 

[Kontradiction]

Trade a first round pick for a guy who we can count on to miss a ballpark number of 6-7 games a year? I’m good. Now a third rounder and a player in a trade to take on the rest of his contract? Sure. Picking him up if he’s cut to serve as a bridge QB? Absolutely. But there’s no way in Hell I’m trading #15 overall for him.

 

[Rob0729]

I know that the world thinks Belichick still loves this guy because he developed him and reports that Belichick wanted to trade Brady to San Fran instead of Jimmy. But maybe Belichick has cooled on the guy.

Everyone said that Groppolo going to the 49ers was the best thing for him because of the coaching staff could develop him. But even in 2019, he was still very mistake prone.

And let's face it. The guy cannot stay on the field. He has has been a starter for four years now and three of those years he missed games due to injury with two years him missing most of the season.

I am not sure Belichick wants Garoppolo back now. No matter what Belichick thinks of him as a player, he can't make plays from IR.

 

[jal]

So I went back 27 years, to the start of the Cowboys dynasty. Good a place as any to consider the modern era, although I know the game has changed quite a bit since then.

Thing is, I’d say the importance of getting the QB has actually been underplayed. In that time, these quarterbacks have won multiple SBs:

Brady—7

Aikman—3

Roethlisberger, Elway, both Mannings (I know)—2

QBs with one (group 1) Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Warner, Mahomes

QBs with one (group 2): Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles

So, that’s 27 years, with 32 quarterbacks a year having the chance to win the Super Bowl (864 individual QB “seasons”) and in total FIFTEEN have won. Of that 15, 12 are arguably Hall of Famers (Eli getting in would be a joke, but you know he has a shot). Trent Dilfer rode a historic defense. The opposing coach Foles played against decided to bench the starting defense or something (my memory’s hazy on that one). The Brad Johnson TB team had a pretty great defense too.

Point being, what difference does ANYTHING else make if you don’t have the guy? Hope for a historic defense?

I’m not saying JG is the guy, excuse the clickbait I honestly have no idea. I’m just saying if BELICHICK thinks he’s the guy—or if he thinks somebody else is the guy—giving up draft picks is a trivial price to pay. Otherwise you’re hoping for some historic outlier. The thing is, of course, you gotta be right. But come on, Belichick's a genius, right? He must know who the guy is.

You forgot about Flacco