Baker Mayfield calling Mayflower - Browns meet with Deshaun Watson

[Ring 6]

Come on.

Do you honestly think Belichick would turn down a trade for Herbert if it meant less picks and no Mac Jones?

It's not excuses either.

Football isn't basketball. One elite player (even 4) doesn't just = success. Otherwise, the 01 Rams would've stormed through everyone and won a SB. The 07 Patriots would've been perfect. Hell, the Chiefs were the best team in 2020 and got annihilated in the SB.

Mahomes (Not saying I agree with him over Brady) has been the consensus #1 QB for 4 years. Best TE. Top 5 receiver. Top 5 coach. Guess what? He's got 1 SB ring. He's got an ugly SB loss and title game loss (Bengals) on his resume too.

The Rams were not the best team last year. Not by a long shot. But Rams fans don't care. They won the SB. And that's how the 2021 season will be remembered.

Yes I honestly think belichick would not give up multiple 1s to trade Mac Jones for Justin Herbert. It’s not even close.

Of course it’s excuses. You say wow look at Herbert and I say yeah look at the results and you blame the owner.
Mahomes has not been consensus #1 for 4 years.
Winning one SB in 4 years is good, not failure. Not making the playoffs at all is not good. You are comparing not making the playoffs to a sb win, a Sb loss, and 2 championship game losses. What is that, 7 or 8 playoff wins. That doesnt equate to missing the playoffs.

Your post makes no sense.

 

[Ring 6]

To be clear here. I believe Mac Jones can be an elite QB. But what I'm saying is Herbert is already there. And trust me, as a KC fan, that scares me. Because I'm not so sure we are guaranteed to win the division this season.

What worries me is we've hosted 4 straight AFC title games. We lucked out on Baltimore and Tennessee losing in 2019 & 2021. Otherwise, we would've been on the road. Hill & Kelce have pretty much been injury free.

Eventually that type of luck swings the other way.

Herbert who has never seen a playoff game is already elite? Based upon what?
You aren’t elite due to stats. You are elite by winning big games and championships.


Here is last years offensive production for the Patriots and chargers, in Jones rookie year and Herbert’s rookie year.

Pats/Chargers
Points scored 462/384
% of drives scoring 48/38.3
3rd down conversions 43.5/44.2
Offensive TDS. 48/43
RED ZONE 61.9/57.1

Herbert’s second year was very close in all of these metrics to jones rookie year a slight bit better mostly, but not by much.

I think there is little doubt who had more weapons, right?
So how has never made the playoffs Herbert proven he is elite while Jones is worth throwing in first round picks to rid yourself of?

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Jimmy G's around.

An upgrade.

Jimmy G is not better than Baker. They are both painfully mediocre at best.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Yes I honestly think belichick would not give up multiple 1s to trade Mac Jones for Justin Herbert. It’s not even close.

Of course it’s excuses. You say wow look at Herbert and I say yeah look at the results and you blame the owner.
Mahomes has not been consensus #1 for 4 years.
Winning one SB in 4 years is good, not failure. Not making the playoffs at all is not good. You are comparing not making the playoffs to a sb win, a Sb loss, and 2 championship game losses. What is that, 7 or 8 playoff wins. That doesnt equate to missing the playoffs.

Your post makes no sense.

What makes no sense is placing the entire weight of winning or losing on one player. Trent Dilfer won a title. Does that mean he's better than Marino?
Herbert has much better physical tools than Mac. Maybe someday Mac will be the better QB. Unlikely, but possible. Right now no GM in their right mind would take Mac over Herbert. Especially with the way he played in the second half of his first season An additional two firsts is a high price to pay to upgrade. But it's at the most important position in football. And picks are gambles anyway. Otherwise NKeal Harry would currently be an All Pro.
Stafford couldn't do anything with Detroit. Goes to the Rams' and immediately wins a title. Did he suddenly get better.

 

[Ring 6]

What makes no sense is placing the entire weight of winning or losing on one player. Trent Dilfer won a title. Does that mean he's better than Marino?
Herbert has much better physical tools than Mac. Maybe someday Mac will be the better QB. Unlikely, but possible. Right now no GM in their right mind would take Mac over Herbert. Especially with the way he played in the second half of his first season An additional two firsts is a high price to pay to upgrade. But it's at the most important position in football. And picks are gambles anyway. Otherwise NKeal Harry would currently be an All Pro.
Stafford couldn't do anything with Detroit. Goes to the Rams' and immediately wins a title. Did he suddenly get better.

Jeff George has much better physical skills than Tom Brady.
I am looking at the results of the offenses they led. That is objective.
Add to that the fact that almost no one would say Jones had a better supporting cast you feeling so far is wrong, as far as the results they put up.

 

[captain stone]

Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Allen
Herbert

To me those are undisputed top 5 QB's right now.

Then the next grouping would be guys like:

Burrow (He's very close to 5th on top list).
Jackson
Watson
Wilson
Kyler

You are So ****ing Wrong, you ****ing filthy maggot.

 

[NFL Mystique]

You are So ****ing Wrong, you ****ing filthy maggot.

Those QB rankings are in no particular order. So no I'm not saying Mahomes>Brady. I'm saying my top 5. Just top 5.

If it's in order:

Brady
Mahomes
Rodgers
Allen
Herbert (Burrow wasn't as great in PO run as media portays imo. I just think Herbert has the "IT" factor.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Yes I honestly think belichick would not give up multiple 1s to trade Mac Jones for Justin Herbert. It’s not even close.

Of course it’s excuses. You say wow look at Herbert and I say yeah look at the results and you blame the owner.
Mahomes has not been consensus #1 for 4 years.
Winning one SB in 4 years is good, not failure. Not making the playoffs at all is not good. You are comparing not making the playoffs to a sb win, a Sb loss, and 2 championship game losses. What is that, 7 or 8 playoff wins. That doesnt equate to missing the playoffs.

Your post makes no sense.

Your taking my Mahomes point the wrong way.

What I'm saying is Mahomes is an elite QB who has had a very successful four years. Top two QB. He hasn't won the SB every year because there's too many variables.

My ultimate point is its a team game. You can be the best QB and not win it all. The best team doesn't always win. I'm a KC fan so obviously I don't think Mahomes has been a failure whatsoever lol.

I wasn't comparing Mahomes and Herbert. It's the team game thing again. Herbert is special. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily enough to overcome suspect coaching and other variables.

Media has portrayed Mahomes as top QB past four years. Not saying fans have.

 

[NFL Mystique]

What makes no sense is placing the entire weight of winning or losing on one player. Trent Dilfer won a title. Does that mean he's better than Marino?
Herbert has much better physical tools than Mac. Maybe someday Mac will be the better QB. Unlikely, but possible. Right now no GM in their right mind would take Mac over Herbert. Especially with the way he played in the second half of his first season An additional two firsts is a high price to pay to upgrade. But it's at the most important position in football. And picks are gambles anyway. Otherwise NKeal Harry would currently be an All Pro.
Stafford couldn't do anything with Detroit. Goes to the Rams' and immediately wins a title. Did he suddenly get better.

This Is where I was trying to go.

Stafford didn't suddenly become better in his 13th year. He was always good to very good. The difference is the Rams surrounded him with top tier talent. While in Detroit he was surrounded by thrash.

As we stand today it's my opinion that if LAC went to NE and said they will give up Herbert for 3 1st rounders and Jones, NE takes it. This hypothetical trade will never happen of course.

 

[Family]

Jimmy G is not better than Baker. They are both painfully mediocre at best.

Remember the year Cleveland seemed stacked and they were 500?

Jimmy's been the starting QB in two of the last four Super Bowls.

He's at least slightly better than Baker.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Remember the year Cleveland seemed stacked and they were 500?

Jimmy's been the starting QB in two of the last four Super Bowls.

He's at least slightly better than Baker.

His own coach doesn't even trust him. He still makes rookie mistakes in year seven or eight. At least a few times a game he makes a shockingly dumb throw. He cannot be trusted. Sometimes he fumbles when he should squeeze the ball and take a sack. Sometimes tosses the ball up for grabs when he should throw the ball away. Sometimes he throws into double or triple coverage when he shouldn't. I was being charitable. He's a bad QB. There are worse, but he's bad. And that's not even getting to his durability issues. Think whatever you want about Baker, but nobody will call him soft like some of Jimmy's former teammates.
I didn't watch last year's SuperBowl because I had no rooting interest. But I watched the first one he was in. I hardly think that's a selling point. He absolutely wet himself in the fourth quarter of that game and cost his team the game. So there is zero evidence he is even clutch. But somebody will pay him. Because there are very few good QBs and team are desperate. You are kidding yourself if you think he is any better than Baker.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Your taking my Mahomes point the wrong way.

What I'm saying is Mahomes is an elite QB who has had a very successful four years. Top two QB. He hasn't won the SB every year because there's too many variables.

My ultimate point is its a team game. You can be the best QB and not win it all. The best team doesn't always win. I'm a KC fan so obviously I don't think Mahomes has been a failure whatsoever lol.

I wasn't comparing Mahomes and Herbert. It's the team game thing again. Herbert is special. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily enough to overcome suspect coaching and other variables.

Media has portrayed Mahomes as top QB past four years. Not saying fans have.

The only variable that cost Mahomes a ring last year was the one in which he forgot how to play football in the 2nd half.

 

[Family]

His own coach doesn't even trust him. He still makes rookie mistakes in year seven or eight. At least a few times a game he makes a shockingly dumb throw. He cannot be trusted. Sometimes he fumbles when he should squeeze the ball and take a sack. Sometimes tosses the ball up for grabs when he should throw the ball away. Sometimes he throws into double or triple coverage when he shouldn't. I was being charitable. He's a bad QB. There are worse, but he's bad. And that's not even getting to his durability issues. Think whatever you want about Baker, but nobody will call him soft like some of Jimmy's former teammates.
I didn't watch last year's SuperBowl because I had no rooting interest. But I watched the first one he was in. I hardly think that's a selling point. He absolutely wet himself in the fourth quarter of that game and cost his team the game. So there is zero evidence he is even clutch. But somebody will pay him. Because there are very few good QBs and team are desperate. You are kidding yourself if you think he is any better than Baker.

What you are saying is true of both Baker and Jimmy. Neither is an elite top 10 QB who has the trust of their coach. They both make stupid mistakes.

Winning still counts however. Jimmy is 31-14 as a SF starter and Baker is sub 500, which happens to be the Niner's record over four years when Jimmy G. does not start.

Yes or no.... do you really think SF makes two Super Bowls with Baker as their starter?

Either answer ends the discussion.

 

[Clonamery]

Jimmy's been the starting QB in two of the last four Super Bowls.

One start in the Super Bowl (2019 season).

 

[Triumph]

Carolina rumored to be out of the Watson sweepstakes.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Mayfield denied trade request. You bet they’d love to trade him but they know there would be no takers. Actually teams would probably request draft picks from Cleveland. He’s one more bad season away from the cfl.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I think we all need this to remind us is what a cry baby Baker is

(and because it’s funny, CLEVELAND should have drafted this cop for thier defense.

 

[NFL Mystique]

The only variable that cost Mahomes a ring last year was the one in which he forgot how to play football in the 2nd half.

All QB's have had bad playoff games. But yes he did cost the team last year. Then again, the defense didn't need to give up a bunch of TD's in a row.

 

[Family]

One start in the Super Bowl (2019 season).

Correct. My apology.

 

[Spiral]

I've been reading Indy wants Baker.

I don't know if they choose Jimmy over Baker.

Could Browns QB Baker Mayfield Be a Sneaky Trade Option for the Colts?

It’s possible another former franchise quarterback could be on the move shortly.

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From a Texas HS football perspective, it would great to see Westlake HS (Sam Ehlinger) battling it out with Lake Travis HS (Baker Mayfield).