Are we ignoring the recent Guerrero news?

[bormio]

Correct.... there are no words. The QB of the team has his own private masseuse flying on the team plane, hanging on the sidelines, gets him an office in Gillette, this glorified masseuse starts causing friction among Patriot staff .... if this were ANY other QB ....any other player the label "prima donna" would flow from all directions.
Can you imagine the commentary here if this whole scenario was going on with Peyton Manning during his career, or with Aaron Rodgers now?? Ouch!!!

Yeah, Brady’s whole career screams “prima donna”.

 

[FCB02062]

I believe that much liquid intake can actually kill you (the water and the beer)
Can I Die From Drinking Too Much Water?

I'm still alive

 

[Ring 6]

I'm still alive

The problem with that approach is the peeing.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Well said!! Guerrero is a glorified masseuse and Brady is a guy always in need of a binky. As strong as Brady is on the football field he's seemingly pretty weak aka a follower off the field. What's amazing is how the Patriots let this clown bill them for his services. They give him his own office?? Thank God Brady never puts himself above the team.

Willie Mcginest introduced Brady to Guerrero, there have been success stories of his methods. I don't know much about the guy or his methods but I keep an open mind.

 

[Wrath Mania]

FWIW, the report Bedard wrote on BSJ about one player refusing to do squats because Guerrero told him not to syncs up with an example Phil Perry gave on the Quickslants podcast, where he said--stressing it was an example, perhaps to keep it vague--about how someone like Brandin Cooks might have refused to do squats because he wants to emulate Brady's tactics. Ultimately I think Curran's take is best: it won't affect this actual season, but there might be some interesting events this offseason. The fact that he and Perry were all but talking about this in 'flashpoint' terms I think is worthwhile; they're not prone to hyping for no reason.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I find it somewhat humorous and difficult to understand that things such as eating a healthy diet primarily consisting of fruits, vegetables, whole/unprocessed grains, and plenty of fiber, along with getting ample exercise -- while avoiding diets that we know to be harmful to health, is now considered to be controversial.

Nobody considers any of that to be the least bit controversial.

What's controversial is somebody peddling magic anti-concussion water, magic fairy dust to add to your magic water to "adjust your cellular pH" and prevent cancer and cure rainy days, and a medically untrained quack telling players to ignore the medical advice of experienced professionals

 

[Snake Eyes]

Nobody considers any of that to be the least bit controversial.

What's controversial is somebody peddling magic anti-concussion water, magic fairy dust to add to your magic water to "adjust your cellular pH" and prevent cancer and cure rainy days, and a medically untrained quack telling players to ignore the medical advice of experienced professionals

If that quack is doing a much better job with your star player perhaps he's right, perhaps one should reevaluate one's paradigms in light of new information.

Just sayin.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

If that quack is doing a much better job with your star player perhaps he's right, perhaps one should reevaluate one's paradigms in light of new information.

Just sayin.

So if Guerrero believes in a flat Earth, I need to reevaluate the whole spherical Earth paradigm, because TB12 is good?

Maybe instead I can give him credit for nutritional and flexibility advice, while rejecting the batshit-crazy scientifically impossible woo.

 

[catent]

Nobody considers any of that to be the least bit controversial.

What's controversial is somebody peddling magic anti-concussion water, magic fairy dust to add to your magic water to "adjust your cellular pH" and prevent cancer and cure rainy days, and a medically untrained quack telling players to ignore the medical advice of experienced professionals

I don't disagree with anything you've said, either in this particular post or to this point in the thread as a whole, save for your last bit about ignoring advice from medical professionals (more on this in the following paragraph). Nor did I accuse you (or intend to imply an accusation) of you believing anything contrary to what I said.

With regard to your latter statement, I don't know what, if anything, coming from the Patriots strength and conditioning staff Guerrero has instructed players to ignore, but I wonder if there may be better ways to go about handling certain injuries and the style of rehabilitation around said injuries than the classic, ice, wrap, and elevate treatment that I'm all too familiar with having played sports growing up. But that is a great deal of speculation on my behalf, given that I'm unfamiliar with Guerrero's techniques, the Pats' S&C staff's techniques, and what the nature of the Guerrero-Pats' S&C staff relationship is. And to be very clear, I'm not credentialed and am merely speculating that perhaps a different approach in certain regards may be ideal, should the evidence back it up. I'm fully onboard that many of Guerrero's techniques are unscientific and nonsensical, such as the concussion water, or that hydration prevents sunburn, or that a magic powder to be mixed with water can cure cancer (although there's very strong evidence that a healthy diet can help to prevent cancer and is a crucial part of any cancer treatment regimen, in addition to other forms of treatment such as chemo and radiation, but that's neither here nor there). I digress.

At the end of the day I think we're essentially on the same page here, and my posts were general critiques of the American healthcare system as a whole rather than anything relevant to the Guerrero discussion.

 

[rochrist]

I don't disagree with anything you've said, either in this particular post or to this point in the thread as a whole, save for your last bit about ignoring advice from medical professionals (more on this in the following paragraph). Nor did I accuse you (or intend to imply an accusation) of you believing anything contrary to what I said.

With regard to your latter statement, I don't know what, if anything, coming from the Patriots strength and conditioning staff Guerrero has instructed players to ignore, but I wonder if there may be better ways to go about handling certain injuries and the style of rehabilitation around said injuries than the classic, ice, wrap, and elevate treatment that I'm all too familiar with having played sports growing up. But that is a great deal of speculation on my behalf, given that I'm unfamiliar with Guerrero's techniques, the Pats' S&C staff's techniques, and what the nature of their relationship is. And to be very clear, I'm not credentialed and am merely speculating that perhaps a different approach in certain regards may be ideal, should the evidence back it up. I'm fully onboard that many of Guerrero's techniques are unscientific and nonsensical, such as the concussion water, or that hydration prevents sunburn, or that a magic powder to be mixed with water can cure cancer (although there's very strong evidence that a healthy diet can help to prevent cancer and is a crucial part of any cancer treatment regimen, in addition to other forms of treatment such as chemo and radiation, but that's neither here nor there). I digress.

At the end of the day I think we're essentially on the same page here, and my posts were general critiques of the American healthcare system as a whole rather than anything relevant to the Guerrero discussion.

Even if this were true, and I have my doubts because it sounds as though he's interferring with the strength and conditioning programs of uninjured players...even if it were true, doesn't the Patriots organization have a right to be the ones to decide the overall direction of their program?

 

[catent]

Even if this were true, and I have my doubts because it sounds as though he's interferring with the strength and conditioning programs of uninjured players...even if it were true, doesn't the Patriots organization have a right to be the ones to decide the overall direction of their program?

Absolutely, I'm only speculating that perhaps there's a better way to go about preparing players to play football while reducing the risk of injury, and when injuries do occur, perhaps there's a better way to rehabilitate these injuries.

That's not to say a complete overhaul needs to be done, and maybe nothing should change, but it's worth exploring alternative methods of preparing players physically, and treating injuries when they occur, that might lead to improved longevity, reduced injury risk, and decreased recovery time.

I'm not saying any of the above is necessarily true, and to be clear I'm not condoning some of Guerrero's practices, but it's worth looking into improving the way the team does things, Guerrero notwithstanding.

 

[TB_Helmet]

If that quack is doing a much better job with your star player perhaps he's right, perhaps one should reevaluate one's paradigms in light of new information.

Just sayin.

I'm sorry but this is a bad take. We have no idea how much Guerrero is helping Brady. As has been stated in this thread many times, we agree that focus on flexibility instead of strength along with hydration and a healthy diet is probably making a big difference.

But it's ridiculous to state we should "reevaluate paradigms" of looking at body's pH balance and concussion water and all that (i.e. the quackery part) because Brady is playing well at age 40. It's a sample size of one person, who himself is an outlier as a football player and is a unique individual. You can't draw ANY conclusions whatsoever as to whether Guerrero's quack theories are making a difference, and to try to do so is just bad science and analysis.

 

[DarrylS]

Turned on Zo and Bertram, later joined by Breer. Balless Zo kind of sat back and let Bertram run with his version of some grand conspiracy and for some reason Bertram wanted me to wind up disliking BB for this heinous activity. He is slowly turning into a "Felger mini me", lots of bluster few facts, and any Pats activity has some sort of sinister plot behind it...

It seemed obvious that Zolak was at a deliberate advantage as he seemed to know more about the situation and was not able to break the confidence placed in him. Without regard he could have asserted himself more and stymied the conspiracy discussion..

After about 10 minutes back to Pandora.. which is becoming the norm more and more. Insufferable, pompous bores...

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Yeah, Brady’s whole career screams “prima donna”.

No I actually think his persona has evolved over the years. I think G has a lot to do with it. The boy next door pushes UGGS, $200 cookbooks and would not give you the time of day if he walked by you on the street.

 

[libra957]

It seems like it has reached a point where this guru has overstepped his boundaries. He's not part of the patriots' staff, not on the payroll, the team didn't hire a him as a consultant. There's no reason why he's in the stadium unless he's seating next to the fans. It's not like Guerrero is being prevented from working with Tom, they can do whatever they want in the comfort of a TB12 facility, but Bill is right for both various reasons(legals, team management ect..)

 

[catent]

No I actually think his persona has evolved over the years. I think G has a lot to do with it. The boy next door pushes UGGS, $200 cookbooks and would not give you the time of day if he walked by you on the street.

Have you ever bumped into Tom while strolling down the street?

I ask because, speaking from experience, each time I've seen him he's always been incredibly gregarious and talkative, really down to earth.

But I will say this about him... every time we make plans to get drinks, without fail, right as we're walking into the bar together...

my alarm goes off!

All joking aside, I've never met Tom Brady but I have a hard time imagining that he'd be anything other than kind, genuine, and down to earth, regardless of whether he was interacting with Gisele or Belichick, or some random 'Joe' who bumped into him by chance.

The only reason I could see him intentionally ignoring someone would be to avoid drawing excessive attention to himself, which I don't think anyone would consider rude or unbecoming, but rather a simple necessity of living the life of an easily recognized individual.

 

[Kontradiction]

But there is a conspiracy. 31 other teams and the Commissioner of the NFL hate the Patriots and spew about how much they hate Patriots fans. Dan Shaughnessy is the Steve Bannon of the conspiracy. The Globe is his Breitbart. Stories are planted to weaken our resolve. It is vast and well-funded.

This Alex Guerrero guy is a plant. They've taken a page out of Belichick's book. He put Welker on the Broncos, Vinatieri on the Colts, Revis back to the Jets, Vereen to the Giants, Woodhead to the Ravens - nothing but chaos and destruction ensued. The Guerrero thing is having its desired effect. We're sniping at one another. Brady hates his coach. Belichick is retaliating. Pack only what you need and be ready.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No I actually think his persona has evolved over the years. I think G has a lot to do with it. The boy next door pushes UGGS, $200 cookbooks and would not give you the time of day if he walked by you on the street.

I think it depends on the setting. If he and I were passing on Boylston St he wouldn't do anything.

What I can tell you at, during and after at the dinner for his Best Buddies Road Race he is warm, gracious and very personable.

Note: I have not met him but someone very close to me has.

 

[Drewwho]

QBs having their personal trainers or even chiropractors located in their facilities and part of the traveling party to games is not uncommon at all. Beginning of the year on a Monday night game they talked about Derek Carr traveling to games with his personal chiropractor. Also this week on NFL network, someone made mention that P Manning had two individuals that were not only in the facility but one of them treated other players and traveled to every game while he was with the Colts. I'm sure this is not uncommon across the board for all of the quarterbacks the NFL. This all goes back to one important fact no one can deny...Whatever Tom Brady does it becomes HUGE news. The man is incredibly polarizing!

 

[Bella*chick]

It is simply unrealistic to think that someone of Tom Brady’s current level of fame can just pal around with anyone he passes on the street the way he maybe could 15 years ago.