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Are Patriots Tanking or is this a “Bridge Year”?

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My point about tanking for blue chippers is that it is intentional. Its not because ufas did not want to come here.
Because they know they can not compete until Maye is broken in, Wolfe decided to tank in 24 for the draft picks.

Its a sound strategy. The price is a bottom feeder 2024 year
 
My point about tanking for blue chippers is that it is intentional. Its not because ufas did not want to come here.
Because they know they can not compete until Maye is broken in, Wolfe decided to tank in 24 for the draft picks.

Its a sound strategy. The price is a bottom feeder 2024 year
I don’t think it was even for draft picks, I think it was about money.
 
Currently, this is the preseason of year 5 of the rebuild.

no it is not. New coaching staff new front office, new qb all this year. BB failed after tom left on every level of his job. He should have took the team to the bottom year 1 after Tom left and built it back up.
 
Brissett is better than Mac.

I get that you just saw him throw an interception in preseason and you're a victim of the moment, but Brissett has a career 1.4 interception percentage. he doesn't lead the league in turnovers the way Mac did as a starter. Real world stats...
JB is on the Patriots for three reasons (at least): (1), to lose games, (2), to keep Drake Maye on the sideline until the team's talent level (especially at OL) improves, and (3), to help the young QBs learn the offense and how to be good pros. At least losing with Zappe would be entertaining. If we're going to suck (and we are), I'd rather see first downs and turnovers than conservative three and outs.
 
no it is not. New coaching staff new front office, new qb all this year. BB failed after tom left on every level of his job. He should have took the team to the bottom year 1 after Tom left and built it back up.
He actually built a good defense. The other parts of the team he did not.
 
They took Hooker last season which was Goff's third season in Detroit. They also drafted him knowing that his first year would be a redshirt season. Goff was always going to be the starter in Detroit for at least a year or two as they had no other viable starting quarterback on the roster. The last two seasons Goff has 59 TD's and over 9,000 passing yards. Hooker is going to have to wait another year or two, at least, if Goff stays healthy.
Agreed, Goff was going to be the starter because they had nobody else. The Rams got Matt Stafford in the trade, the Lions got Jared Goff, two first round picks and a third... because Goff was considered damaged goods... not good. This notion that Detroit viewed him as a longterm starter at the time is revisionist history. You get that type of trade return for a QB that's considered "good."
 
My point about tanking for blue chippers is that it is intentional. Its not because ufas did not want to come here.
Because they know they can not compete until Maye is broken in, Wolfe decided to tank in 24 for the draft picks.

Its a sound strategy. The price is a bottom feeder 2024 year
How do you get healthy players and coaches whose job's depend on winning to tank?

How do you teach young developing players how to play winning football by intentionally trying to lose?

You don't... it doesn't happen.

It's fan fiction... not real.... fake.... doesn't happen.
 
JB is on the Patriots for three reasons (at least): (1), to lose games, (2), to keep Drake Maye on the sideline until the team's talent level (especially at OL) improves, and (3), to help the young QBs learn the offense and how to be good pros. At least losing with Zappe would be entertaining. If we're going to suck (and we are), I'd rather see first downs and turnovers than conservative three and outs.
See my response above... intentionally losing doesn't happen in August, the notion that it does is pure stupidity.
 
I don’t think it was even for draft picks, I think it was about money.
Based on reputation, it is fair to be concerned about the team valuing profit over winning. As of now there is money available to add to the team. You can be disappointed that the team did not spend more to shore up positions of need. We won't know if the Kraft's are being cheap, or Wolf did not feel that the players available were worth the money until next year. If the money rolled over is spent on free agents, or signing players to extensions, the team was not being cheap. If the money goes unused, then you will be proven correct. Assuming that the team invests the available money, the discussion will turn towards complaining about spending too much on player x when everyone knows they suck. Good or bad we need to see how things work out.
 
no it is not (the 5th year of the rebuild).
Whatever gets you through the night terrors.
Didn't Budget Bob, after shelling out $150+ mill to sign many many expensive free agents from other teams in 2021 and drafting a 1st round rookie QB, describe the situation as a rebuild and the start of the next leg in Patriots history.
new front office
Wolf and Groh were already in house with major personnel responsibilities and operating with a considerable voice considering Kraft's edict that, going forward, personnel decisions require comprehensive input, collaboration, and consensus.
He (BB) should have took the team to the bottom year 1
I love this forum.

You wanted Bill to tank.

Wozzy, just a few posts above this one insists...."How do you get healthy players and coaches whose job's depend on winning to tank? How do you teach young developing players how to play winning football by intentionally trying to lose? You don't... it doesn't happen. It's fan fiction... not real.... fake.... doesn't happen."

Wozzy neglects to mention the role of ownership in his tanking screed.
Sports history is filled with teams creating benefits for themselves from extreme losing and owners are the ones pulling the strings.
History is littered with coaches and GMs who prioritize paychecks and job security over integrity.
 
He actually built a good defense. The other parts of the team he did not.
Had he got the qb right he would have had 50,000,000 this year to complete the rebuild and we’d basically be on track.
 
My point about tanking for blue chippers is that it is intentional. Its not because ufas did not want to come here.
Because they know they can not compete until Maye is broken in, Wolfe decided to tank in 24 for the draft picks.

Its a sound strategy. The price is a bottom feeder 2024 year
I think there's some gray area there. I think for players that they viewed as guys who are really worth the money or really addressed a position thoroughly (i.e. Ridley or Aiyuk at WR, reports they expressed interest in Snead at CB) I think they were/are willing to spend and start to lock in some core pieces. However, they weren't/aren't willing to spend $15M/year on Jonah Williams to play LT better than Lowe but still not at a level where the position is "solidified" to the point they still won't view it as a need area to improve.

I don't believe they had the unequivocal mindset to pinch every penny and tank to the max extent possible this year. But I also don't think they had even the slightest inclination to make moves that benefit this year's team (beyond just filling out the roster with bodies for one year, i.e. Okorafor, Osborn, Armon Watts, etc.) unless it was a move they saw paying dividends over the longer term (i.e. multi year deals for Gibson at RB and Taki Taki at LB). So maybe I'm splitting hairs, because I think it's fair to generalize all of that as "tanking" if you want.
 
Wozzy, just a few posts above this one insists...."How do you get healthy players and coaches whose job's depend on winning to tank? How do you teach young developing players how to play winning football by intentionally trying to lose? You don't... it doesn't happen. It's fan fiction... not real.... fake.... doesn't happen."

Wozzy neglects to mention the role of ownership in his tanking screed.
Sports history is filled with teams creating benefits for themselves from extreme losing and owners are the ones pulling the strings.
History is littered with coaches and GMs who prioritize paychecks and job security over integrity.
Owners can simply not invest and ignore their team... that's not purposely tanking, that's just neglect. If that cheap owner hires a great coach/personnel guy, the team can still win.

Teams sitting at 2-3 wins entering December might start thinking about and playing for next season. No team is thinking "tank" in August before a single game has been played. Some coaches might be realistic about their team and where they sit in their rebuild. Bill had to know he couldn't win in 2020, but he had a very young team and taught them winning football anyway. They cleared their cap and a year later had all the resources in the world and made the playoffs with a middling QB.

Teams and players make more money if they make the playoffs. An 8-9 team made the playoffs the year before last. Teams play to win. Tanking happens at the end of the season when they're jockeying for draft picks... not now.
 
Exactly my point, Foles, Wentz... no different from Brissett, and none possibly as good as Maye could be.

A merely average/good QB behind a dominant line can win a ring. We’ve all seen Mahomes and Brady run for their lives behind a bad line.

If the Pats don’t have a shot at a ring this year, QB is probably not the first reason why. Maye might be outstanding for all we kn

It allows you to spend more money on better players…?
You think that the team hasn't signed better players because we don't enough cap money?
 
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