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  1. goheels22002

    goheels22002 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Are the Broncos a "cream puff?" Seemed like it when Tim Tebow got sacked for an NFL record 29-yard loss by Rob Ninkovich with the score 41-23 at Mile High.
     
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    BoTown In the Starting Line-Up

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    Just speaking for myself here, I'm hoping for the Pats to win this game, but given their recent history, I know better than to expect it.

    Every NFL team begins 0-0 and aims to play for the Super Bowl. Right now, only eight teams have that opportunity, and NE/DEN are among them. The loser will fail in their quest for the Super Bowl.

    All this "dynasty" talk? Horse crap. Only teams in that discussion right now are Packers and Saints, the last two SB winners. It's only about one thing and that's winning today and if you've lost sight of that then that's your prerogative.
     
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    Regular season is irrelevant, last years Pats team beat all the top teams on the way to a 14-2 season and still lost. I don't care if they went 0-6 vs. "quality opponents" as long as they win tonight and win handily.
     
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    The Patriots had 10 games this year against teams that had winning records had they not played the Patriots.

    You can look it up.

    The Pats have never won a cream puff division with an 8-8 record.

    Our 2 off years this century, we missed the playoffs with records of 9-7 and 11-5.

    Cry a different river.
     
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    randomk1 In the Starting Line-Up

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    That looks really good lol
     
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    What people fail to see is that the Broncos were 1-4 when Tebow took over. They were a 7-4 team with Tebow. If he'd played the entire season they'd likely have ended up 10-6 or 11-5. So, record-wise, I really can't see them as any different than the Jets last season.

    And if you take away the 3 turnovers against Denver in the regular season, you pretty much have an even game.

    To me the difference now is that it's in Foxboro which is HUGE (just altitude alone) and Tebow's lack of experience playing in Arctic weather. :D
     
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    You assume they would win games they lost with better QB play by replacing the QB.
    How do you take away turnovers and get an even game?
    You only get that by taking away their turnovers and having us commit them. Driving to score after a turnover does not mean the score goes away without the turnover, unless you eliminate the entire possession.
     
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    Wait, we beat the Broncos. I thought you were calling them a quality team.
    So let me get this straight. If we played 4 winning teams, and went 0-4 LIKE THE BRONCOS DID and also went 8-4 against .500 or worse teams, instead of the 13-1 we did, we would be better?
     
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    LOL, I love terrible arguments like that. "Well if you take away the turnovers and ignore all this other stuff -I it was a close game!"
     
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    Or, you think, "if Denver didn't turn the ball over that time they might have scored again, as they had done pretty easily before ..."

    Or, "if Denver had been able to punt, it would have taken NE additional plays in order to score and they might have been stopped, held to a field goal, or turned the ball over."

    The point is, you don't KNOW what would have happened, but you do know what DID happen. Those turnovers all resulted in Patriots points.

    Take away those points and the score is pretty much even.

    So, eliminate turnovers and the two teams are much more even that day than we might otherwise think, due to the final score.
     
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    It isn't about "what would have happened." it's about people thinking the Patriots are a cakewalk today because they beat Denver earlier by a big spread.

    If Denver hangs on to the ball then that big spread likely doesn't happen.

    Meaning, perhaps, Denver represents a little bit of a threat today, despite what some "homer vision" wants to make people believe. :)
     
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    I have been saying all along that if Pats can win the turnover game, it will make up for less than stellar defense....If they wind up minus in turnovers, they will be hard pressed to win.....Just look at current NO v SF game.....SF is KILLING NO with turnovers......
     
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    yea...i dont think we have to worry...tebow is not going to beat us, especially in our house
     
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    well apparently you cant count. because the broncos have 9-8.
     
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    The Pats haven't played the strongest schedule this year.
     
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    You may be next to eat crow and offer an apology...

    Some rather embarrassed folks in Pittsburgh said the same thing a week ago. "No worries..."
     
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    Absolutely. Turnovers are usually huge if one team has a decided advantage in that department. And they can be huge even if not, depending on where & when they occur.
     
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    God YES I love overconfident Stee-- ERM Patriots fans!
     
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