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A "come to Jesus meeting" regarding TB

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"The cover up is worse than the crime"...

Listen...Tom Brady may or may not have been guilty for anything directly to deflating the balls. We're all angry because we don't think that the NFL proved "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he's guilty.

But as a fanbase we are becoming a laughingstock because there's one thing that we're all refusing to acknowledge because of our faith in TB which everyone else outside of us simply can't look past, which is that Brady should never have destroyed his cell phone.

This process wasn't a criminal court proceeding where the burden of proof to prove deflategate is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The balance of probabilities is the threshhold, but when a defendant destroys evidence the burden of proof gets flipped and the defendant will always be forced into a position where he is forced to prove his innocence.

That was unforgivable as noted by the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals judges:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...sfans-com-patriots-fan-forum.10/create-thread

"[T]he Commissioner did not increase the punishment as a consequence of the destruction of the cell phone — the four-game suspension was not increased. Rather, the cell phone's destruction merely provided further support for the Commissioner's determination that Brady had failed to cooperate, and served as the basis for an adverse inference as to his participation in the scheme to deflate footballs."

Finally, any reasonable litigant would understand that the destruction of evidence, revealed just days before the start of the arbitration proceedings, would be an important issue. It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator."

WE ARE BECOMING A LAUGHINGSTOCK AROUND THE LEAGUE BECAUSE AS A FANBASE WE SIMPLY WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT:

A man who destroys the most important piece of evidence in an investigation is either stupid, following his attorney's advice, or deciding on his own to destroy evidence that will prove him guilty. And none of us think Tom Brady is stupid, and none of us believe that an attorney would advise their client to do this if their client was innocent.

If we as a fanbase don't acknowledge this reality we will always be the laughingstock of the league. For us to get over the pain of this embarrassment we need to acknowledge this so we can move on and stop hurting. Otherwise we're always going to suffer every time we see an "asterisk" or get called cheaters for the rest of time.

Tom Brady may not be guilty of deflategate. But the cover up is worse than the crime.
 
The Pats are the laughing stock of the league because their owner is a spineless ****y who would sell his team, coaches, players, and fans down the river for a hug from Goodell.
 
Didn't Brady give them full access to his phone records, texts, and emails before the "destroying" of the cell phone? He also was interrogated for a full 10 hour day or something. They had everything they needed. They didn't need the physical cell phone.
 
The Pats are the laughing stock of the league because their owner is a spineless ***** who would sell his team, coaches, players, and fans down the river for a hug from Goodell.

That's not the point. Maybe Kraft could have managed to escape punishment if he was a stronger owner, but that doesn't erase the fact that TB destroyed evidence. TB should never have done that.
 
Didn't Brady give them full access to his phone records, texts, and emails before the "destroying" of the cell phone? He also was interrogated for a full 10 hour day or something. They had everything they needed. They didn't need the physical cell phone.

There were gaps in the paper evidence and we all know that. We can keep pretending like we don't know this if it makes us feel better.
 
Why are we even entertaining this troll who signed up yesterday?

Obvious troll is obvious.
 
IMO this thread is flat-out wrong, but I'll let you guys keep talking if you want - I'm just moving it to the Deflategate forum so we don't have to see it.
 
IMO this thread is flat-out wrong, but I'll let you guys keep talking if you want - I'm just moving it to the Deflategate forum so we don't have to see it.
Thanks...feels good now.
 
ban this douche. obvious jets fan that is jealous that his team sucks more **** than Christy Mack
 
Was going to respond, but then realized 'trolls will be trolls'
 
Hey dipshit. the nfl had no legal right to look at Brady's phone, they don't have warrant power.

Where is the punishment for Stephen Gostkowski who refused to turn over his phone?
 
I just posted a summary of the phone evidence that Brady provided, and where its been pointed out where there are obvious omissions in evidence.

Clearly this has to influence a judge's perception of Tom's innocence. Seriously - a guy would have to be stupid not to just hand over his phone unless he had something to hide, and his actions have bit him in the ass.
 

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