NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 12 Sunday Games Thread

[Rob0729]

2018 patiots no one wanted to face and the 2019 patiots is the team that fell apart after starting off 8-0..

I think you are misremembering history. The Pats finished 12-4 in 2019. Sure they lost 3 of their last 7 games, but one was against the Chiefs who were a top team in the league.

Besides, if you look at the Patriots in 2018, they lost two of their last four games and also lost three of their last seven and had an 11-5 record.

The Patriots actually were weaker in the regular season in 2018 than 2019.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think you are misremembering history. The Pats finished 12-4 in 2019. Sure they lost 3 of their last 7 games, but one was against the Chiefs who were a top team in the league.

Besides, if you look at the Patriots in 2018, they lost two of their last four games and also lost three of their last seven and had an 11-5 record.

The Patriots actually were weaker in the regular season in 2018 than 2019.

Yes, You mentioned the 2019 and 2018 teams. I was just summarizing the 2018 team once they got into the playoffs they reminded everyone they still were the team to beat.. 2019 team faded too after starting out what 8-0?

After the Ravens loss they just weren't the same team. Your right they were weaker in the regular season in 18.. we know what happened in the postseason for the 19 team..

 

[Family]

Remote? That is a bit of stretch. There was was only 2:47 left. Denver only had one time out left. In the fourth quarter, the Broncos had five possessions. They punted three times (two were three and outs). Nix was intercepted. And they had one TD.

Now the Commanders' defense could have been gassed too much to make a stand, but it wasn't like the Broncos were clicking on all cylinders and were guaranteed to drive down the field.

Ok slim. There was plenty of time.

The pct of times a team like Denver with a mobile QB only needs a FG when it will be all out 4 downs to get only 30-40 yards is low.

Comparing this to the rest of the game is not accurate because they are trying to score TD's, not kick FG's.

A tie would be like a loss for them.

 

[Rob0729]

Yes, You mentioned the 2019 and 2018 teams. I was just summarizing the 2018 team once they got into the playoffs they reminded everyone they still were the team to beat.. 2019 team faded too after starting out what 8-0?

After the Ravens loss they just weren't the same team. Your right they were weaker in the regular season in 18.. we know what happened in the postseason for the 19 team..

Again, the Patriots were 12-4 in 2019. No one wanted to face them in the playoffs with Brady. Just like this year's Chiefs who already have six losses with five more games to go. Comparing this year's Chiefs to the 2019 Patriots in terms of people being scared of them because of reputation instead of actual on the field production is valid.

I look at Mahomes and the Chiefs on the road and I don't see them as the same team they were in the past. And let's face it, the Chiefs haven't had to win many playoff games on the road during the Mahomes era. One of their biggest strengths in the playoffs is Arrowhead stadium. Barring a massive collapse by the Patriots, there is no chance the Pats play the Chiefs anywhere but Gillette.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok slim. There was plenty of time.

The pct of times a team like Denver with a mobile QB only needs a FG when it will be all out 4 downs to get only 30-40 yards is low.

Comparing this to the rest of the game is not accurate because they are trying to score TD's, not kick FG's.

A tie would be like a loss for them.

Comparing the rest of the game is valid. You have to get into field goal range. Going 3 and out multiple times isn't going to get your remotely close to field goal range unless you have a kick return close enough to kick a field goal with getting no more than 8-9 yards more.

Besides, who knows if the Redskins kick an onside kick knowing that they probably won't get the ball back and they are worried about their defense and then they recover. It would probably a stupid move to do because it would put the Broncos close to field goal range if it didn't work. But you never know.

There is a reason why games in the NFL end in a tie. Ask Dallas and Green Bay.

 

[Real fan 02]

Again, the Patriots were 12-4 in 2019. No one wanted to face them in the playoffs with Brady. Just like this year's Chiefs who already have six losses with five more games to go. Comparing this year's Chiefs to the 2019 Patriots in terms of people being scared of them because of reputation instead of actual on the field production is valid.

I look at Mahomes and the Chiefs on the road and I don't see them as the same team they were in the past. And let's face it, the Chiefs haven't had to win many playoff games on the road during the Mahomes era. One of their biggest strengths in the playoffs is Arrowhead stadium. Barring a massive collapse by the Patriots, there is no chance the Pats play the Chiefs anywhere but Gillette.

We agree here Rob, I'm not in disagreement here. I was just adding the difference of how the ends of both 18&19 ended that's all. Speaking of the chiefs game in 19.. we absolutely got hosed with the Harry BS out of bounds call.. we win there game and your absolutely correct we host them. That Miami loss that season what was it the season finale? Really screwed us..

 

[TheRainMaker]

I hope we don’t look back and say if only Mariota threw it over Nick Bonitto’s head, the Pats would have the #1 seed.

By the way, Mariota now pronouncing his name and Collinsworth all night calling him Mary-o-TAH was extremely annoying.

 

[Real fan 02]

I hope we don’t look back and say if only Mariota threw it over Nick Bonitto’s head, the Pats would have the #1 seed.

By the way, Mariota now pronouncing his name and Collinsworth all night calling him Mary-o-TAH was extremely annoying.

Agreed. We need to handle our
own business down the stretch and root for the chiefs and chargers when they see Denver again..

 

[Uptown]

If that’s true, thank God…

 

[Uptown]

 

[Vindicate]

Lost to f'n Brock Osweiler in that regular season game. Unreal.

Just weird that Bill didn't have any urgency to lock up the top seed that season so there was no need to go to Denver in the playoffs. Just really bizarre game plans like featuring a broken down Steven Jackson and Brandon Bolden against Miami. Brady threw 7 passes in the first half.

All the more infuriating with the report that the Broncos were afraid of playing in Foxboro in the playoffs.

Not exactly an intentional gameplan, take a look at the injury list from that season. It was insane. 2015 started out with one of the most complete offenses in that two decade dynasty and it all came crashing down because of injuries: 2015 New England Patriots Injuries | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Even Amendola, Edelman when active, and Gronk were all battling injuries. Blount ends up on IR. As does Lewis. As does. As was Develin. Dobson. Solder. Wendell. Vollmer hobbled.

They got destroyed that year by injuries lol. A fully healthy 2015 team? Would not have surprised me to have gone undefeated.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Lost to f'n Brock Osweiler in that regular season game. Unreal.

Just weird that Bill didn't have any urgency to lock up the top seed that season so there was no need to go to Denver in the playoffs. Just really bizarre game plans like featuring a broken down Steven Jackson and Brandon Bolden against Miami. Brady threw 7 passes in the first half.

All the more infuriating with the report that the Broncos were afraid of playing in Foxboro in the playoffs.

The weirdness actually started vs the Jets a week prior. 5 passes total in the 1st quarter and 10 passes total at the end of the half to 13 runs going nowhere. They really looked like they were conceding until Jamie Collins returned a fumble for at TD cutting the lead to 17-13.

They also somehow lost to Sam Bradford and the Eagles at home. Remember the idiotic decision to pooch kick it late in the 2nd quarter up 14-0? Eagles ended up scoring a TD with that short field.

Then you had BB continually going Dan Campbell in the 4th quarter of the AFCCG and opting to go for it on 4th down rather than kicking the field goals. Assuming Ghost made them, they would've won the game without the need for Gronk's heroics.

2015 was by far BB's worst coaching season.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Not exactly an intentional gameplan, take a look at the injury list from that season. It was insane. 2015 started out with one of the most complete offenses in that two decade dynasty and it all came crashing down because of injuries: 2015 New England Patriots Injuries | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Even Amendola, Edelman when active, and Gronk were all battling injuries. Blount ends up on IR. As does Lewis. As does. As was Develin. Dobson. Solder. Wendell. Vollmer hobbled.

They got destroyed that year by injuries lol. A fully healthy 2015 team? Would not have surprised me to have gone undefeated.

Yes. I didn't expect to win that playoff game due to injuries. It was closer than expected

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, You mentioned the 2019 and 2018 teams. I was just summarizing the 2018 team once they got into the playoffs they reminded everyone they still were the team to beat.. 2019 team faded too after starting out what 8-0?

After the Ravens loss they just weren't the same team. Your right they were weaker in the regular season in 18.. we know what happened in the postseason for the 19 team..

Brady was injured the second half of 2019. He put up the worst numbers by far if his career, they were in fact below average numbers. He had a very bad elbow injury.

 

[cclocke]

That regular season loss remains the most infuriating patriots loss of all time for me bar none

If I recall, it was the game with a dropped punt, a terrible OPI call, and a Gronk injury.

Still, the Miami aka Steven Jackson game a couple weeks later was probably more infuriating.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

If I recall, it was the game with a dropped punt, a terrible OPI call, and a Gronk injury.

Still, the Miami aka Steven Jackson game a couple weeks later was probably more infuriating.

The cherry on top was Osweiler on the cover of Sports Illustrated with Dominique Easley getting chokeholded in the background. The worst combination of bad luck and officiating I've ever seen. This year's Steelers loss came closs to that too

 

[denverpatsfan]

If I recall, it was the game with a dropped punt, a terrible OPI call, and a Gronk injury.

Still, the Miami aka Steven Jackson game a couple weeks later was probably more infuriating.

I'm having bad flashbacks now.
Those Denver fans were celebrating Gronks injury. Such a ****ty game.
All that guy had to do was run away from the punted ball. Pats win.

 

[Vindicate]

Yes. I didn't expect to win that playoff game due to injuries. It was closer than expected

Also, never forget the cover of SI the next day of the regular season loss, which felt like a taunt over a missed holding call:



Edit: And honestly, I still felt like we could've won that post season game. The Stork head bobble will forever confuse me as to why it couldn't be addressed mid game. But damn. **** that season lol.

 

[Water Boy]

If that’s true, thank God…

That happened to me once in college. Pulled an all nighter to prepare a paper and a presentation. The next morning my brain was scrambled and I couldn't think straight and froze in front of the class.

Good times.

 

[Family]

Comparing the rest of the game is valid. You have to get into field goal range. Going 3 and out multiple times isn't going to get your remotely close to field goal range unless you have a kick return close enough to kick a field goal with getting no more than 8-9 yards more.

Besides, who knows if the Redskins kick an onside kick knowing that they probably won't get the ball back and they are worried about their defense and then they recover. It would probably a stupid move to do because it would put the Broncos close to field goal range if it didn't work. But you never know.

There is a reason why games in the NFL end in a tie. Ask Dallas and Green Bay.

We disagree.

Yes there was one tie this year. According to chat GPT there average 12 over time games a year (past ten years) and there have been less than 10 total that ended in a tie during those ten years. In other words there's a slim chance of ties happening.

Meanwhile comparing it to the rest of the game, Denver marched down field in about 4 plays for a TD to begin OT. Denver's signature for this season has been the type of game winning drive they would be facing, In the scope of things this time it was pretty easy considering what small amount of yards likely needed, what the offense had just shown, and what they were willing to give up (any sensible situation and they would be go for it on 4th down).