PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POST GAME THREAD: Patriots Lose to Steelers 21-14

[Ring 6]

To me yips is something you get when you've got time to overthink something in anticipation of the event, see Cyrus Jones fielding punts here or Borregales kicking. I don't see how Rham can get yips if he's already holding the ball. If his mind can consciously turn to it whilst running in traffic it should be saying only one thing to him -- "Two Hands!". No overthinking involved.

It seems pretty obvious to me. He has a flaw in his technique (my guess is he he is focused on finishing the ball and loses focus on ball security) that is correctable with the proper attention and focus but he reverts to that bad habit when ball security isn’t stressed.
He went a full season with 1 fumble after belichick stressed it. He went 191 touches with 1 fumble lost before this game.

It’s really a matter of it will always be an issue if he loses focus, so he need to be coached to not lose focus, consistently, all the time.

 

[Ring 6]

Give Rham the Faulk treatment. He has to carry a ball everywhere whenever he's at team activities -- and -- everyone on the team is tasked with keeping an eye on him and calling out "Two hands!" whenever they see him breadloafing the ball. Rham pays a bounty to whoever calls him out.

Actually it’s “take this ball and carry it everywhere you go and everyone will try to take it away from you. If anyone takes it away, you dint get it back”

 

[Hugepatsfan]

That 119 number is if he has 7 pressures for each of the 17 games. The problem is he had two games before this where he didn’t have 7 pressures each game. So that 119 number is not only ridiculously off, it offers no opportunity for a rookie to do what most good rookies do, which is improve.

Right, the context of the post though was posters talking about his one game. Someone pointed out he graded poorly. Someone responded saying "nope he gave up zero sacks". Then the response pointed out that 7 pressures is awful, hence the poor grade even with 0 sacks. Then someone else asked for a frame of reference of if 7 pressures was even bad, hence my quantification there. He's not playing at a 7 pressures/game pace, but just showing what that translates to over a full season to put into perspective how it's an awful single game total and driving his poor grade.

But again, OL stats are tough to take as gospel. So if the grading scale give shim 7 pressures it has to grade as an awful game, but there's so much subjectivity in pressure numbers.

 

[Real fan 02]

Except teams are playing a ton of 2 deep zone. To get them out of it you need to show you can hit the open guy in the zone. Running Williams deep vs, 2 deep zone is useless. The problem is only Diggs and Henry are good vs zone, which is why Chism needs a shot because he has shown a potential to be great vs zone in the time he has played.

Maye is a good runner and great deep ball thrower. Teams are taking that away with the zone defense. If you put 2 long drives together and score TD's They have to come out of it, play some man to try to get a 3 and out or they will end up exhausted.

Pats had 5 fumbles. They led the league in fumbles per game last year at 1.8 per game. They fumble only twice this game and they probably score 30. Teams are not stopping this offense but the offense is stopping this offense.

Good post. What will get teams to have to play honestly is showing them a threat on the outside. Teams play zone because they fear Drakes running abilities. The fumbles are concentrating and discipline issues. They are happening to our veterans. You'd expect it to be happening to rookies. Things of note rham fumbles his very first game as a rookie in 2021 and 4 years later he still has fumble issues.

He of course still has value to the team but Henderson should be given an opportunity to provide a different look and spark to a otherwise slow Offense.

Remember the moss years... Welker ate like a king 100 plus catches 1,300 plus yard seasons... All because of the threat of a downfield wr. We lack that and until we show some semblance of it teams are just got game plan for Drakes running abilities..and a slow Offense at the skill positions.

 

[Real fan 02]

That's on McDaniels: I don't think we Drafted Kyle Williams to run five yards routes. Remember a some of our wasted Rookie WR's wasted under McDaniels.

McDaniels is good offensive mind. But the offensive system is predicated on short passes and running the ball. The OL actually has been good this season so can't blame them.. we can't expect anymore really out of slow mo RT.. we need to develop a downfield presence. And that can start with Williams.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Good post. What will get teams to have to play honestly is showing them a threat on the outside. Teams play zone because they fear Drakes running abilities. The fumbles are concentrating and discipline issues. They are happening to our veterans. You'd expect it to be happening to rookies. Things of note rham fumbles his very first game as a rookie in 2021 and 4 years later he still has fumble issues.

He of course still has value to the team but Henderson should be given an opportunity to provide a different look and spark to a otherwise slow Offense.

Remember the moss years... Welker ate like a king 100 plus catches 1,300 plus yard seasons... All because of the threat of a downfield wr. We lack that and until we show some semblance of it teams are just got game plan for Drakes running abilities..and a slow Offense at the skill positions.

I am not sure you understood KCSVEN's post. He said the opposition were already playing a ton of 2 deep zone (probably copying each other), so running deep routes would not be productive.

We need guys to win underneath, other than Hopper and Hunter. Diggs wins at all levels but it looks like he is easing into playing time. Douglas has disappointed. Hollins has disappointed underneath too. It has to be Diggs or Chism with Hunter and Hooper to carve up the 2 deep zone if we are going to start throwing downfield. Also if the OL holds up longer that would help a ton.

 

[KCSVEN]

Remember the moss years... Welker ate like a king 100 plus catches 1,300 plus yard seasons... All because of the threat of a downfield wr. We lack that and until we show some semblance of it teams are just got game plan for Drakes running abilities..and a slow Offense at the skill positions.

The other thing we don't have is receiving YAC. YAC stats are pathetic, way worse than last year so far.

 

[Real fan 02]

I am not sure you understood KCSVEN's post. He said the opposition were already playing a ton of 2 deep zone (probably copying each other), so running deep routes would not be productive.

We need guys to win underneath, other than Hopper and Hunter. Diggs wins at all levels but it looks like he is easing into playing time. Douglas has disappointed. Hollins has disappointed underneath too. It has to be Diggs or Chism with Hunter and Hooper to carve up the 2 deep zone if we are going to start throwing downfield. Also if the OL holds up longer that would help a ton.

Thanks for that clarity one. Much appreciated. I re-read it. Your right on that assessment. Agreed we absolutely do need guys to win underneath. I feel it's a consensus that pop has really hurt thie offense as he's supposed to be guy moving the chains making defenders miss in space. I also agree that Diggs and or chism will have to guys that will have to work underneath. Also we have alot of position redundancy. Hollins and Williams are the only guys that I'd say can provide something outside the numbers?

 

[Real fan 02]

The other thing we don't have is receiving YAC. YAC stats are pathetic, way worse than last year so far.

Yes. Great points there. And YAC is supposed to be pops strong suit.. all in all the offense still has a ways to go... we are still right in the middle as far as the AFC records go.. who would have saw the Texans 0-3.. back-to-back play off team...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thanks for that clarity one. Much appreciated. I re-read it. Your right on that assessment. Agreed we absolutely do need guys to win underneath. I feel it's a consensus that pop has really hurt thie offense as he's supposed to be guy moving the chains making defenders miss in space. I also agree that Diggs and or chism will have to guys that will have to work underneath. Also we have alot of position redundancy. Hollins and Williams are the only guys that I'd say can provide something outside the numbers?

Hollins is mostly a blocking and deception guy plus used in the red zone (6'4" tall), at least that is what he is through 3 games. Not sure we should think of Hollins as a WR - LOL.

A fast TE down the seam would help, but we don't have that either, our TEs are more finesse. McD tried running Williams down the seam against the Dolphins (I think) but Maye was sacked. The OL has to be better.

I don't mean to sound negative but I think it will take time for Diggs to get up to speed and Chism is raw. Overall our offense is going well, just needs some time to gel. The offense will get better and better as the season goes on.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hollins is mostly a blocking and deception guy plus used in the red zone (6'4" tall), at least that is what he is through 3 games. Not sure we should think of Hollins as a WR - LOL.

A fast TE down the seam would help, but we don't have that either, our TEs are more finesse. McD tried running Williams down the seam against the Dolphins (I think) but Maye was sacked. The OL has to be better.

I don't mean to sound negative but I think it will take time for Diggs to get up to speed and Chism is raw. Overall our offense is going well, just needs some time to gel. The offense will get better and better as the season goes on.

Fair comparison. Touching on alot of importance there one impressive! Yeah.. Hollins is the big red zone target.. and good enough blocking wr. Diggs is still working his way back.. and has been solid.. I never was looking for him to be the sensational buffalo version of himself.. I'm intrigued by seeing chism play and what he could provide based of his great camp and preseason. Williams has been in but not nearly enough to be effective.

 

[PatsFan2]

Fair comparison. Touching on alot of importance there one impressive! Yeah.. Hollins is the big red zone target.. and good enough blocking wr. Diggs is still working his way back.. and has been solid.. I never was looking for him to be the sensational buffalo version of himself.. I'm intrigued by seeing chism play and what he could provide based of his great camp and preseason. Williams has been in but not nearly enough to be effective.

The jury came back in on Pop Douglas: and it's not in his favor. KW should see plenty of snaps this week.

 

[Real fan 02]

The jury came back in on Pop Douglas: and it's not in his favor. KW should see plenty of snaps this week.

K. Williams I'm campaigning for brother! 7 yards for pop Douglas pathetic.. someone tell him Brissett is in Arizona riding the bench here isn't throwing to him anymore. He have a top 10 QB...

 

[Toofy]

Hollins is mostly a blocking and deception guy plus used in the red zone (6'4" tall), at least that is what he is through 3 games. Not sure we should think of Hollins as a WR - LOL.

A fast TE down the seam would help, but we don't have that either, our TEs are more finesse. McD tried running Williams down the seam against the Dolphins (I think) but Maye was sacked. The OL has to be better.

I don't mean to sound negative but I think it will take time for Diggs to get up to speed and Chism is raw. Overall our offense is going well, just needs some time to gel. The offense will get better and better as the season goes on.

I think we just need a full ack who can block really well and create the lanes who can play instead of Hollins .

Looking at snaps I feel diggs, pop and Williams are not at all contributing and that's a problem leading to more dependency on rham . Henderson is still developing. At this point I feel Chism would open up everything I. The slot and possibly pace the way for Williams and Henderson too .

Hollins has been a decent blocker but if we have a better stud in blocking and creating lanes, we should probably play that player than Hollins. Keep Hollins more for red zone .

 

[KCSVEN]

Rookie Report
Not planning a full All-22 but reviewing the rookies is always interesting

Jared Wilson-Loved his game this week. After week 1 I thought he might end up benched. After week 2 I thought he was OK but would be great as the center. This week I thought he was the best lineman for them. Wilson and Campbell had 1 early stunt they did not work well on but after that they were great at those. Had a play or 2 in pass protection got walked back a little bit but nit picking. He was really, really good.

Will Campbell-Most of the game he was really good. Always a good run blocker and still showed that. 4th quarter he had a few struggles: getting beat once inside and a couple times around the edge. Solid game that was headed toward a very good rating that got knocked down to solid late in the game. FYI, Josh Simmons struggled a little bit this week vs a good Giants front. Still shocked how poor a run blocker Simmons is. He's fine enough in Pass Pro.

Tre Henderson-Much better on tape than I thought watching live. Solid chips, overall better pass blocking. The 1 play his guy got pressure was a PA, he went to the gap to block his man, the guy being blocked by the Center basically ran a stunt where he bumped into Tre a bit and Tre's guy looped around. Tre tried to recover but a little late to get there. I doubt that was a planned stunt, if it was, brilliant. Not sure I really blame him for the one pressure. In hindsight he ran hard and hit the right holes. A couple play it looked like he was almost ready to break thru for a big gain. There was one run play to the left he wasn't quite patient enough but overall, he got the yards that were there. Much better on tape this week and I think he'll break one here sooner rather than later. Gibson and him splitting snaps is fine while Rham goes to fumble rehab.

Craig Woodson-Having trouble sleeping? Watch tape of Woodson. Booooring. He was the deep safety more often this week. The few times he needed to 1 on 1 cover he was good. They did not run many of the down and outs he got beat on last week. The few I saw he was good on. He made some tackles. He's just a guy that's doing what he should, no less but also no more. Pair him with a playmaking safety and he'd be a nice fit.

I think those 4 have shown to be starter level and be heavy contributors and will stay that way, If those 4 are all you get then great draft! Add Ashby as long snapper you have 5 guaranteed contributors going forward and with Borregales probably/hopefully will make 6.

Kyle Williams-Made another catch this week with limited playing time. Need to see more plays. He looks quick, where Hollins looks slow. I will say Hollins is a very good run blocker for a WR. Would like to see more Kyle on pass plays.

Joshua Farmer-Also limited plays, made a good move to run stuff in the backfield on 1 play early on and then kind of did nothing. Nothing really bad but nothing good either.

Efton Chism-Drake Maye is begging for him to play per quotes below! HA! Release the Kraken!
He warmed up before this game like he was playing. Probably practicing that for when he does play because he is that detailed oriented! The legend of Efton Chism is just growing in my mind. Is it more fun this way or to actually see him play and maybe his legend stops growing? NAH! It'll just grow more! EF-TON CHIS-M!, EF-TON CHIS-M!

“He’s been awesome since the day he got here,” quarterback Drake Maye said on WEEI on Monday.
“I’ve caught him here late in the building numerous times,” he said. “Him watching extra tape and me just trying to teach him and show him through what I see and what I’m seeing from the quarterback and what he’s seeing.
“So he’s doing all the right things,” he added. “And I think it’s going to end up paying off. I think he’s got a bright future.”

 

[PatsFan2]

K. Williams I'm campaigning for brother! 7 yards for pop Douglas pathetic.. someone tell him Brissett is in Arizona riding the bench here isn't throwing to him anymore. He have a top 10 QB...

We were definitely hoodwinked by Pop Douglas; fools gold. Maybe AVP's highschool Offense wasn't so highschool afterall: because he was still running the wrong routes in it.

 

[jdlboot14]

Offense is coming along. Scheme is good. We really need Maye to start seeing the big plays when there to be made.
Our WR's are not horrible. Here's 4 plays where big plays are not seen, and reverts to the easy/shorter play (or risky force to 85)

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Hollins has been a decent blocker but if we have a better stud in blocking and creating lanes, we should probably play that player than Hollins. Keep Hollins more for red zone .

We don’t have a better blocking WR than Hollins. Him and Boutte are the WRs in 12 personnel along with Henry and Hooper. When we pass out of that formation, Hollins is at best the 4th read on 99% of plays, maybe 5th if you include the RB.

 

[Ring 6]

Hollins is mostly a blocking and deception guy plus used in the red zone (6'4" tall), at least that is what he is through 3 games. Not sure we should think of Hollins as a WR - LOL.

A fast TE down the seam would help, but we don't have that either, our TEs are more finesse. McD tried running Williams down the seam against the Dolphins (I think) but Maye was sacked. The OL has to be better.

I don't mean to sound negative but I think it will take time for Diggs to get up to speed and Chism is raw. Overall our offense is going well, just needs some time to gel. The offense will get better and better as the season goes on.

That’s not how we are using Hollins. We are using him as a starting WR. Hes played 67 of the 106 pass plays. And he has played the second most snaps of all WRs. He had 0.6 yards per route run. He cannot get open.

Our #2 WR produces less than 13 yards a game.


Thats the biggest issue, people are defending Hollins saying he’s there to block but no he is actually there to be one of our top receivers and he stinks.

 

[Ring 6]

Offense is coming along. Scheme is good. We really need Maye to start seeing the big plays when there to be made.
Our WR's are not horrible. Here's 4 plays where big plays are not seen, and reverts to the easy/shorter play (or risky force to 85)

Oh god not the screen shot shoulda thrown to that guy thing.