PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POST GAME THREAD: Patriots Lose to Steelers 21-14

[PatsFan2]

Well said brother. Vrabel said he's going to evaluate everything.. so if he wants to open up his Offense play Williams more, and Henderson more especially on passing downs.. for the first time since Brady left QB/OL isn't the problem it's the people around the QB. Chism absolutely should be given a look even a few snaps. DJ Moore would be a perfect fit on the outside here.

The lack of a legit #2 WR is killing this Offense: McDaniels aged Offense becomes very predictable and easy to Defend. S Diggs is not his old self yet unfortunately for us: so we have to see if Kyle Williams brings something different. IF we can open it up getting some Chunk plays in the passing game: that should open up the run. We haven't played a really good Team yet: that Buffalo game is going to show how close or far we are from the Iron of the League. I hope we Trade for a decent healthy Wide Receiver.

 

[Ring 6]

They did that. It didn't get any better. How long are you content with wasting time and money on something that's actually gotten worse over time, not better?

And again in your whataboutism comparison, the new one, this time to Edelman, who led the team in drops. He led the team in drops almost every season he played. You overlooked it, because he played at a high level, much higher than what Stevenson has ever approached, and he made key plays in key situations.

Stevenson's simply not good enough of a player to overlook his game-losing mistakes, and justify his bloated salary. He's gotta go. Eat the dead cap this year so you don't have to worry about next year's cap. This isn't a new situation with him. The time for correcting mistakes was years ago.

But it did get better. In 2023 he fumbled 1 time.
After his early season fumbles last year and a clear focus on ball security he lost 1 fumble in 191 touches before Sunday.
It’s clearly a manageable issue that they lost track of.
He’s the best RB we have. That’s good enough to put in the effort to correct the problem.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well said brother. Vrabel said he's going to evaluate everything.. so if he wants to open up his Offense play Williams more, and Henderson more especially on passing downs.. for the first time since Brady left QB/OL isn't the problem it's the people around the QB. Chism absolutely should be given a look even a few snaps. DJ Moore would be a perfect fit on the outside here.

What puzzles me about McDaniels is that: he has Two Players in any given Route; that the Defense can token cover. Meaning think very little of: Pop doesn't know where he's running and Tarzan Mack Hollins that's too guys wasting valuable snaps: let me stop here.

 

[Triumph]

I didn't see Curran but I it looked like Maye followed his target and the DL easily deflected the pass. That is on Maye.

Plus, Maye threw the ball like a water balloon.

The Steelers saw something on film. So, expect DLs to get their hands up more when Maye is passing. Maye made so may poor decisions which doomed the Pats.

 

[Real fan 02]

The lack of a legit #2 WR is killing this Offense: McDaniels aged Offense becomes very predictable and easy to Defend. S Diggs is not his old self yet unfortunately for us: so we have to see if Kyle Williams brings something different. IF we can open it up getting some Chunk plays in the passing game: that should open up the run. We haven't played a really good Team yet: that Buffalo game is going to show how close or far we are from the Iron of the League. I hope we Trade for a decent healthy Wide Receiver.

Great points. Diggs is a possession wr. And still recovering but he's good enough to start. However you said it. A legit guy on the outside is hurting the entire offense. Drake has to make of script plays sometimes because guys can't consistently uncover. Buffalo offense is a well oiled machine and thier offense with no elite WRs is in the top of the league. DJ Moore is very intriguing. The offensive operation is minus Drake is holding this team back.. we drafted Williams to give us something on the outside and he isn't out there much. All it takes is one or two throws of 25 yards or more to him in order to looses up coverage.

 

[Triumph]

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I think Campbell is a stud. He's shut up alot of haters. He's fared well so far.

 

[PatsFan2]

They did that. It didn't get any better. How long are you content with wasting time and money on something that's actually gotten worse over time, not better?

And again in your whataboutism comparison, the new one, this time to Edelman, who led the team in drops. He led the team in drops almost every season he played. You overlooked it, because he played at a high level, much higher than what Stevenson has ever approached, and he made key plays in key situations.

Stevenson's simply not good enough of a player to overlook his game-losing mistakes, and justify his bloated salary. He's gotta go. Eat the dead cap this year so you don't have to worry about next year's cap. This isn't a new situation with him. The time for correcting mistakes was years ago.

Rham will be our new Third Down RB: Vrabel can't be idiotic to trust him in any other situation. The plan was for Henderson but now change of course Henderson and Gibby downs one and two. Rham is a very good Blocker and Receiver. Play him to his strengths a blocker and receiver; and not to his weaknesses a workhorse Fumbling RB.

 

[bresna]

Negative.

"Drop" number 1 in the dirt:


Bad throw number 2 way over his head and nearly picked off:


"Drop" number 2 thrown way behind him yet he still managed to get both hands on it but his body was sliding away too fast:


Note that in these screenshots, particularly the first one, Douglas was open.

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

 

[Real fan 02]

What puzzles me about McDaniels is that: he has Two Players in any given Route; that the Defense can token cover. Meaning think very little of: Pop doesn't know where he's running and Tarzan Mack Hollins that's too guys wasting valuable snaps: let me stop here.

Yes. Good insight on that. There's just no one stretching the field. It's to many nunch formations. Easy for the defense to muddy the middle and stop a mediocre 5 yard pass to Tarzan Hollins... instead call a 9 route down the sideline to K. Williams.

 

[PatsFan2]

But it did get better. In 2023 he fumbled 1 time.
After his early season fumbles last year and a clear focus on ball security he lost 1 fumble in 191 touches before Sunday.
It’s clearly a manageable issue that they lost track of.
He’s the best RB we have. That’s good enough to put in the effort to correct the problem.

I will bring this to your attention: when Vrabel said we Need Rham he was just being kind. There will be consequences for what Rham did on Sunday. Don't be surprised if you don't see him much on Sunday. You ask how do you know?? Well a little birdie told me.

 

[Real fan 02]

They did that. It didn't get any better. How long are you content with wasting time and money on something that's actually gotten worse over time, not better?

And again in your whataboutism comparison, the new one, this time to Edelman, who led the team in drops. He led the team in drops almost every season he played. You overlooked it, because he played at a high level, much higher than what Stevenson has ever approached, and he made key plays in key situations.

Stevenson's simply not good enough of a player to overlook his game-losing mistakes, and justify his bloated salary. He's gotta go. Eat the dead cap this year so you don't have to worry about next year's cap. This isn't a new situation with him. The time for correcting mistakes was years ago.

Agreed. Rham fumbled his first game as a rookie and is still fumbling now.

 

[PatsFan2]

"Drop" number 1 in the dirt:


Bad throw number 2 way over his head and nearly picked off:


"Drop" number 2 thrown way behind him yet he still managed to get both hands on it but his body was sliding away too fast:


Note that in these screenshots, particularly the first one, Douglas was open.

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

Drake Maye needs WR's with good catch radius: Pop have no radius.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yes. Good insight on that. There's just no one stretching the field. It's to many nunch formations. Easy for the defense to muddy the middle and stop a mediocre 5 yard pass to Tarzan Hollins... instead call a 9 route down the sideline to K. Williams.

You can see the early Brady dink & dunk Offense McDaniels is running with Maye. Brady never had accuracy issues like Maye also Brady had superior weapons to what we have now. McDaniels is playing Offense in another era: that's what I feared when we choose him.

 

[KCSVEN]

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Bad throw number 2 way over his head and nearly picked off:




Note that in these screenshots, particularly the first one, Douglas was open.

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

Need to watch that entire play, Douglas jogs through his route and does not run at full speed until ball is in the air and he sees it is in front of him and then he speeds up. If he was running the entire time he would have been where the ball is. In addition, his catch radius is so small he can't reach out and get it even though it is not that far from him in the end. Every other receiver probably still catches it because they have 1-2 feet extra height and arm length.
Dougls also flattens his route all of a sudden. He's at the 38, moves across the field to the 41 as Maye throws, but then stops going up field and still at 41 when ball goes by,

This is EXACTLY the type of play to show why Douglas should not be playing. HE IS VERY BAD VS ZONE DEFENSE. He did everything wrong on this route.

If he continues his route to the 42-43 yard line and he actually RUNS the route and doesn't jog, he's where the ball is.



The last ball was thrown behind, but he is an NFL receiver with 2 hands on the ball. That should be caught, bad throw but worse hands.

Other ball was a bad short, hopped throw.

This also goes to the dynamic Maye and Douglas do not click. All these same types of plays versus zone defense happened last year with Maye and Douglas. They seem to be on different pages a ton. Douglas is the anti Hunter Henry for Maye.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yes. Good insight on that. There's just no one stretching the field. It's to many Bunch formations. Easy for the defense to muddy the middle and stop a mediocre 5 yard pass to Tarzan Hollins... instead call a 9 route down the sideline to K. Williams.

Zo mentioned that on the Fifth Quarter: we want to run 100 plays to get down the field. Fall behind game over our Offense is not dynamic. It's very pedestrian thus our WR numbers. Rham have more yards than most of our WR's': what does that tell you?? Some of them Stink.

 

[Real fan 02]

Zo mentioned that on the Fifth Quarter: we want to runn 100 plays to get down the field. Fall behind game over our Offense is not dynamic. It's very pedestrian this our numbers.

Yes. Zo is correct. The only time we have a down field passing is whenever we do get behind. Why wait. Attack down the feild from the first snap. That will open up the run. Then you create a balanced Attack.

 

[KCSVEN]

You can see the early Brady dink & dunk Offense McDaniels is running with Maye. Brady never had accuracy issues like Maye also Brady had superior weapons to what we have now. McDaniels is playing Offense in another era: that's what I feared when we choose him.

It was Charlie Weiss early on but similar offense and people forget the early Brady years because of what Brady became.

Year 2 Brady
62.1% Completion, 28 TD, 14 picks, 11 fumbles
Year 3 Brady
60.2% complete, 23 TD, 12 Int, 13 fumbles

Drake Maye Pace year 2
72.6% complete, 28 TD, 11 picks, 11 Fumbles

Brady had a better team around him.

 

[Real fan 02]

You can see the early Brady dink & dunk Offense McDaniels is running with Maye. Brady never had accuracy issues like Maye also Brady had superior weapons to what we have now. McDaniels is playing Offense in another era: that's what I feared when we choose him.

Brady super power was his accuracy Drake completion percentage is actually amongst league leaders. So his accuracy is better. But to your point the misses are egregious.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's on McDaniels: I don't think we Drafted Kyle Williams to run five yards routes. Remember some of our Rookie WR's were wasted under McDaniels.