PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POST GAME THREAD: Patriots Lose to Steelers 21-14

[Kdo5]

We fkn WHIPPED them, and we lost because of stupidity.
Vrable needs to fix the idiocy, and QUICKLY.

Yes, exactly. We completely outplayed them across the board. And yet the game was exclusively lost on the margins.

That’s why the strongest criticism should be directed at Vrabel. He’s working with much better than what Mayo had and yet the end result through three games is the same except this start is dramatically worse with turnovers and penalties.

 

[PatsFan2]

It was Charlie Weiss early on but similar offense and people forget the early Brady years because of what Brady became.

Year 2 Brady
62.1% Completion, 28 TD, 14 picks, 11 fumbles
Year 3 Brady
60.2% complete, 23 TD, 12 Int, 13 fumbles

Drake Maye Pace year 2
72.6% complete, 28 TD, 11 picks, 11 Fumbles

Brady had a better team around him.

We had so many Advantages at that time Vintage BB and Great supporting cast.

 

[KCSVEN]

Yes. Zo is correct. The only time we have a down field passing is whenever we do get behind. Why wait. Attack down the feild from the first snap. That will open up the run. Then you create a balanced Attack.

Except teams are playing a ton of 2 deep zone. To get them out of it you need to show you can hit the open guy in the zone. Running Williams deep vs, 2 deep zone is useless. The problem is only Diggs and Henry are good vs zone, which is why Chism needs a shot because he has shown a potential to be great vs zone in the time he has played.

Maye is a good runner and great deep ball thrower. Teams are taking that away with the zone defense. If you put 2 long drives together and score TD's They have to come out of it, play some man to try to get a 3 and out or they will end up exhausted.

Pats had 5 fumbles. They led the league in fumbles per game last year at 1.8 per game. They fumble only twice this game and they probably score 30. Teams are not stopping this offense but the offense is stopping this offense.

 

[Ring 6]

I will bring this to your attention: when Vrabel said we Need Rham he was just being kind. There will be consequences for what Rham did on Sunday. Don't be surprised if you don't see him much on Sunday. You ask how do you know?? Well a little birdie told me.

So Vrabel decided the consequence is to be kind?

You are just clowning yourself at this point, making things up to pretend your argument is right.

At least you are self checking and admitting you are making it up, that’s a start. Perhaps you can work in being less emotional so you don’t have to make things up in the first place.

 

[PatsFan2]

So Vrabel decided the consequence is to be kind?

You are just clowning yourself at this point, making things up to pretend your argument is right.

At least you are self checking and admitting you are making it up, that’s a start. Perhaps you can work in being less emotional so you don’t have to make things up in the first place.

Take your own advice and start working on not being Wrong 6 most of the time.

 

[PatsFan2]

Except teams are playing a ton of 2 deep zone. To get them out of it you need to show you can hit the open guy in the zone. Running Williams deep vs, 2 deep zone is useless. The problem is only Diggs and Henry are good vs zone, which is why Chism needs a shot because he has shown a potential to be great vs zone in the time he has played.

Maye is a good runner and great deep ball thrower. Teams are taking that away with the zone defense. If you put 2 long drives together and score TD's They have to come out of it, play some man to try to get a 3 and out or they will end up exhausted.

Pats had 5 fumbles. They led the league in fumbles per game last year at 1.8 per game. They fumble only twice this game and they probably score 30. Teams are not stopping this offense but the offense is stopping this offense.

Good Post Kyle Williams was an accomplish RR coming out: I really hope he translates.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Tiki Barber had serious fumble issues when he was younger, the Giants fixed it by making him carry the ball much higher in his chest.

BTW Mac Jones has more wins the Maye this year.

 

[ViperGTS]

"Drop" number 1 in the dirt:


Bad throw number 2 way over his head and nearly picked off:


"Drop" number 2 thrown way behind him yet he still managed to get both hands on it but his body was sliding away too fast:


Note that in these screenshots, particularly the first one, Douglas was open.

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

My response was you saying he only got one hand on it. False, he had both, and both is a catchable ball in the NFL. I don't care about overthrows or misses, as every QB has those with every receiver.

 

[Ring 6]

Except teams are playing a ton of 2 deep zone. To get them out of it you need to show you can hit the open guy in the zone. Running Williams deep vs, 2 deep zone is useless. The problem is only Diggs and Henry are good vs zone, which is why Chism needs a shot because he has shown a potential to be great vs zone in the time he has played.

Maye is a good runner and great deep ball thrower. Teams are taking that away with the zone defense. If you put 2 long drives together and score TD's They have to come out of it, play some man to try to get a 3 and out or they will end up exhausted.

Pats had 5 fumbles. They led the league in fumbles per game last year at 1.8 per game. They fumble only twice this game and they probably score 30. Teams are not stopping this offense but the offense is stopping this offense.

The offense has basically moved up and down the field at will except for the second half of the raider game when they forgot running the ball was part of football.
They literally are taking what the defense is giving and it is working, other than the turnover last week.

In those 10 quarters they had 21 drives. 9 resulted in a TD or FG and 1 a missed FG. 12 of the 20 had more than 40 yards gained (an average of 69 yards per drive, on 60% of the drives). The average yards gained per drive is 41. These are excellent numbers, and would be even better if the drives weren’t stopped by turnovers.

Turnovers aside this is one of the most effective offenses in the NFL, while, as you say defenses are trying to take away what may be whatever do best.

If we had avoided the turnovers we would have put up at least 35 and this weeks discussion would be whether the offense is becoming unstoppable.

Too many emotional fans, who feel entitled to deserve their team to win and never make mistakes, have focused on the anomoly of turnovers and are using that to try to find problems that don’t exist.
This will be a top 10 offense this year, no doubt.

 

[bresna]

My response was you saying he only got one hand on it. False, he had both, and both is a catchable ball in the NFL. I don't care about overthrows or misses, as every QB has those with every receiver.

My "one hand" comment was for the 3rd bad pass thrown his way. I thought Douglas got a finger on it but when I watched the play to capture the screenshot, I saw that I was wrong. Live at the stadium from my seat, it looked like he got a tip.

 

[turkeyneck]

Tiki Barber had serious fumble issues when he was younger, the Giants fixed it by making him carry the ball much higher in his chest.

BTW Mac Jones has more wins the Maye this year.

Give Rham the Faulk treatment. He has to carry a ball everywhere whenever he's at team activities -- and -- everyone on the team is tasked with keeping an eye on him and calling out "Two hands!" whenever they see him breadloafing the ball. Rham pays a bounty to whoever calls him out.

 

[TommyD4207]

"Drop" number 1 in the dirt:


Bad throw number 2 way over his head and nearly picked off:


"Drop" number 2 thrown way behind him yet he still managed to get both hands on it but his body was sliding away too fast:


Note that in these screenshots, particularly the first one, Douglas was open.

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

Lazy routes. He's not in the right spot.

 

[TommyD4207]

Give Rham the Faulk treatment. He has to carry a ball everywhere whenever he's at team activities -- and -- everyone on the team is tasked with keeping an eye on him and calling out "Two hands!" whenever they see him breadloafing the ball. Rham pays a bounty to whoever calls him out.

I've seen this like 3 or 4 times now.

You know they've *done* this with him over multiple years now, right?
It's not working.

 

[turkeyneck]

I've seen this like 3 or 4 times now.

You know they've *done* this with him over multiple years now, right?
It's not working.

I haven't seen it published that they've done this. If they have and it hasn't worked then it's a case of he just doesn't care to fix the problem.

 

[TommyD4207]

I haven't seen it published that they've done this. If they have and it hasn't worked then it's a case of he just doesn't care to fix the problem.

Oh I think he cares. I don't think he's lazy or whatever. I think it's just the yips. Some people don't come back from that.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm not defending Douglas' inability to get that last first down, but Maye tossed some bad throws his way.

Or Douglas doesn't sit down when he is supposed to and consistently runs his routes at the wrong depth (too shallow or too deep).

 

[turkeyneck]

Oh I think he cares. I don't think he's lazy or whatever. I think it's just the yips. Some people don't come back from that.

To me yips is something you get when you've got time to overthink something in anticipation of the event, see Cyrus Jones fielding punts here or Borregales kicking. I don't see how Rham can get yips if he's already holding the ball. If his mind can consciously turn to it whilst running in traffic it should be saying only one thing to him -- "Two Hands!". No overthinking involved.

 

[Thunderhead]

Lazy routes. He's not in the right spot.

Douglas not precise enough of a route runner for McDaniels' offense. Whether that's due to understanding or execution, who knows. I lean to the former.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Can’t have a STer being 2nd in snaps at WR.

 

[Ring 6]

Take your own advice and start working on not being Wrong 6 most of the time.

Says the guy making things up to pretend he can prove his point. You are embarrassing yourself. Being emotional about something you have no control over often does that.