Draft day 2: reset

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'll say this. White, Barmore, Williams, Tonga, up front. landry, spillane, gibbons and the other rusher we signed from LV names escaped me? That's a fierce unit.

With the extra edge rusher makes us dominant. Gonzo and Davis will have everything outside locked down...U hear it first we will be a dominant interior rushing team this season. Interior rushing is how you disrupt the offense it disrupts the timing of the snap to the QB and the QB can't step up.. on the edge these QBs are so athletic they can just elude edge rushers. You ideally want the interior to be good and marry that up with the edge players.

I like it definitely, but i feel like we still need more off the edge. White is better up the middle and landry word is he has trouble generating pressure on his own. Chaisson is the name that escaped you, i am high on him as a 3rd down guy but i think we need one more legitimate threat for the obvious pass downs , preferably a guy who can also play on early downs too and still be a threat to pressure the qb. Also will need to draft a run stopping dt, hopefully somewhere in the mid rounds

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's a tough one. I think Henderson would be a great combo of value and impact if he's available at 38, but it makes the rest of the board sketchier.

Don’t get too cute with 38. Get the best playmaker possible. Good RBs will last into 3rd/4th rounds of this draft. The disaster of Polk pick cascades over to this draft. We need a HIT on WR.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I'll say this. White, Barmore, Williams, Tonga, up front. landry, spillane, gibbons and the other rusher we signed from LV names escaped me? That's a fierce unit.

With the extra edge rusher makes us dominant. Gonzo and Davis will have everything outside locked down...U hear it first we will be a dominant interior rushing team this season. Interior rushing is how you disrupt the offense it disrupts the timing of the snap to the QB and the QB can't step up.. on the edge these QBs are so athletic they can just elude edge rushers. You ideally want the interior to be good and marry that up with the edge players.

Far from a fierce unit, IMO. Their run defense on the interior DL is bad. Their coverage at LB is terrible. They look to be worst in the league or close to it in those areas. Their EDGE play looks to be very weak too because Landry doesn't win 1-on-1 reps anymore and any wins White gives you off the edge he gives back by being allergic to setting the edge and keeping QBs in the pocket. Chaisson has good rush skills, but he's a situational player and already being so weak vs the run at DT will make it tough to play him on the edge on running downs for that rush.

The interior pass rush definitely projects to be a strength and force the ball out quickly, but that generally leads to QBs having to throw it quick - short and over the middle where they'll be throwing against our LB and S coverage which is all terrible. It's not a very complimentary unit right now.

 

[maust]

The interior pass rush definitely projects to be a strength and force the ball out quickly, but that generally leads to QBs having to throw it quick - short and over the middle where they'll be throwing against our LB and S coverage which is all terrible. It's not a very complimentary unit right now.

My man Emmanwori could change that in a hurry. Just sayin'

 

[UGAPatsfan]

No we really don’t. We just drafted Wallace in rounds 3. It would be insane to use a 2 on a guy who won’t see the field just because you want him to beat our last years 3 for a backup spot.
We have much greater need elsewhere like WR, EDGE, RB, DL, CB, LB

I think we have to consider the possibility that unsupervised Elliot wolf had an all-time awful draft last year and that ZERO of the picks outside of a drake may even make the football team.

And even Drake…injury issue concerns me enough to take a QB in the 4th if Howard or the ND kid are there.

 

[Spiral]

If forced to have a certain amount of anti-social types on your football team to keep the talent level on a par with everyone else, I'm OK with it--if they're linebackers.

 

[manxman2601]

On Donovan Ezeiruaku - Any time you're in a position to draft a productive edge rusher with 34" arms, 85th percentile wing span and 90 plus percentile shuttle and 3-cone times, you should do it.

On Luther Burden - Not on my target list because of character concerns but someone I'll be excited about should they draft him.

On Nick Emmanwori - Again not on my target list because I'm not convinced he''s a free safety but again, if we draft him I'll be very excited by the upside.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

My man Emmanwori could change that in a hurry. Just sayin'

Wouldn't hate that. If we do get him, feels like he might be more of a FS to start. Part of that is based on roster needs, part of it based on I think it'd be a little easier for him to get used to the NFL at. Things happen quicker in the box and it's tougher to make up for it with athleticism (in coverage at least). Deeper in the field, he can use his recovery speed, which seems better than his fluidity in coverage right now.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Agree. Hes more of a SS but as you say he is a sick athlete.

Part of me thinks Peppers is not long for this world.

I’m honestly good dumping Peppers AND Dugger if the cap situation would allow it. Pep was a moron and I won’t forget it, Dugger has just plain sucked out loud. Awful contract.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think Sampson at 69 might be the better option. It allows us to either get our preferred option at WR or an edge rusher with a borderline 1st round grade like Scourton or Ezeiruaku. Or they could wait till round 4 for Brashard Smith or RJ Harvey. The choice at 38 is an important one. Henderson has been one of my favourite choices at 38 though.

This is a great great post. I would only hopefully correct the english of an englishman. "with a boderline 1st round grade" should read "with the BPA like Scouton or Ezeiruaku".

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I’m honestly good dumping Peppers AND Dugger if the cap situation would allow it. Pep was a moron and I won’t forget it, Dugger has just plain sucked out loud. Awful contract.

Dugger had an ankle injury and had off season surgery. The coaching staff should not have had him on the field.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Don’t get too cute with 38. Get the best playmaker possible. Good RBs will last into 3rd/4th rounds of this draft. The disaster of Polk pick cascades over to this draft. We need a HIT on WR.

We need a HIT, not a HIT on WR. If we had taken Cooper DeJean last year like many "BPA" guys wanted, the situation in FA would have looked differently. We need a HIT which is BPA.

 

[manxman2601]

This is a great great post. I would only hopefully correct the english of an englishman. "with a boderline 1st round grade" should read "with the BPA like Scouton or Ezeiruaku".

A nice commentary on a 3 month long debate. To be fair to me though, I've always felt that, of all the picks, 38 was the best opportunity to go BPA, which is precisely why I wanted to go LT at 4.

 

[Ring 6]

IIRC there were very few complaints about the Polk pick. Most people thought is was a solid if unspectacular "safe" pick. A good possession receiver, a guy who would win 50-50 balls and with, ironically, "great hands". That being said, at the time I was a big McConkey fan. I wanted either him or the DB the Eagles drafted in the same round.

I still hold out SOME hope for Polk. He looked like a different guy than his college days, or even what we saw in camp that year. But last season he deserved all the criticism he got. Was it an injury? Was it the coaching? Was it the scheme?

Guys can go 2 ways after a season like that. He can fold up and wither away to the guy at the barbershop who regales his pal about his days in the NFL, or he can come back with a fierce determination to prove every doubter wrong.

Bottom line that we should at LEAST give him a full TC to show us which guy he actually is

I want to hold out hope thinking a lot of people considered him worthy of the draft spot then every time i do that I remember that he was literally the worst receiver in the history of the sport last year (per opportunity) and I can’t bring myself to believe there is hope.

 

[gobesmug]

Teams can get away with having one of us as a starting WR. No team can get away with one of us as a starting OL.

I disagree. Either way would be a train wreck. Also super unrealistic as it's not an out of shape fan we are talking about but an elite athlete whose skills are slightly worse.

But that would actually make for possible entertainment value for the other football league. Make it to where you must play one out of shape fan at one starting position for 1 series.

Would be interesting to see but I think somewhere on offense would be easier to overcome then someone on defense. You need all 11 defenders to stop an offense.

 

[Real fan 02]

I like it definitely, but i feel like we still need more off the edge. White is better up the middle and landry word is he has trouble generating pressure on his own. Chaisson is the name that escaped you, i am high on him as a 3rd down guy but i think we need one more legitimate threat for the obvious pass downs , preferably a guy who can also play on early downs too and still be a threat to pressure the qb. Also will need to draft a run stopping dt, hopefully somewhere in the mid rounds

Agreed. Yes chaisson. Thanks for this. If you take a look at let's say.. 03,04 specifically.. Ted Washington and vince as a rookie were a menance up the middle.. it allowed for the ends and OLBs to make plays. Tonga is the run stuffing DT your referring too.. we still have good rotational guys like pharms and don't forget Jennings is one of the best edge players in the game.. he just isn't a pass rusher.. I'm open to like Vrabel said everyone has a clean slate here.. everyone has a shot to carve out a role and opportunity. I expect us to add at DT, Edge. Also don't don't forget UDFAs..

 

[patfanken]

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On Nick Emmanwori - Again not on my target list because I'm not convinced he''s a free safety but again, if we draft him I'll be very excited by the upside.

that was my initial reaction to Nick. But when you have 4 ****ing 35 sped, you have the ability to make up a LOT of ground. Devon McCourty had to learn how to play the position on the run and Nick will too. That's where the "development" and Patience" part comes in. He might not be the ideal FS THIS season, but long term, he is everything we would hope for at a position of need.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I think we should spend the second round draft capital on the best available Offensive Tackle. We can get the BPA WR in the Third.

I think with LT filled, it’s pure BPA today, no positional preferences.

 

[Real fan 02]

Back-ups who??

Me..

 

[turkeyneck]

I think we have to consider the possibility that unsupervised Elliot wolf had an all-time awful draft last year and that ZERO of the picks outside of a drake may even make the football team.

And even Drake…injury issue concerns me enough to take a QB in the 4th if Howard or the ND kid are there.

If Howard's there in the 4th gotta take him.