When will Maye get his first start?

[TheRainMaker]

And reports were that Belichick was ready to let Brady walk after the 2014 season and move onto Garoppolo before he ended up trading him for peanuts to the 49ers since it looks like Kraft sided with Brady.

EDIT: 2017

More stuff is coming out regarding the players disliking Jimmy G after the stunt he pulled in 2016 tapping out at the last second against Buffalo. Julien Edelman said on his podcast he was pretty upset along with other teammates that he decided to sit it out. His speculation was that his agent told him to do so. Knowing this now, it's not shocking he was shipped out one year later.

Also, John Lynch did initially ask for Brady. He also admitted he was prepared to give up more for Jimmy G as they were getting desperate at 0-8.

 

[TommyD4207]

Milton more ready??

 

[ctpatsfan77]

More stuff is coming out regarding the players disliking Jimmy G after the stunt he pulled in 2016 tapping out at the last second against Buffalo. Julien Edelman said on his podcast he was pretty upset along with other teammates that he decided to sit it out. His speculation was that his agent told him to do so. Knowing this now, it's not shocking he was shipped out one year later.

Then Edelman was throwing his own agent under the bus; Brady, Garoppolo, and Edelman all have (or at least had) the same agent, Don Yee.

More importantly, as I noted earlier, the event that all but guaranteed Garoppolo's departure was the Brady extension in 2015. There was no practical route to keep Garoppolo past his rookie deal at that point. There's a pretty strong argument that Belichick should've traded Garoppolo before the 2017 season.

Also, John Lynch did initially ask for Brady. He also admitted he was prepared to give up more for Jimmy G as they were getting desperate at 0-8.

From what I remember reading, asking about Brady was fairly tongue-in-cheek (i.e., he didn't think there was a real chance of it happening). In any case, while the trade was for their second-rounder (which Garoppolo dropped to #43 by botching their tank job that season), they also released Brian Hoyer, eating $10M of his contract. [Had he been included in the trade, he would've cost the Patriots a comp pick.]

 

[lancerman]

Milton more ready??

More expendable

 

[TheRainMaker]

Then Edelman was throwing his own agent under the bus; Brady, Garoppolo, and Edelman all have (or at least had) the same agent, Don Yee.

While the trade was for their second-rounder (which Garoppolo dropped to #43 by botching their tank job that season), they also released Brian Hoyer, eating $10M of his contract. [Had he been included in the trade, he would've cost the Patriots a comp pick.]

Edelman acknowledged that.

 

[goheels22002]

We are an embarrassment already. Why add injury to insult by feeding Maye to the lions?

Actually, the offensive line gave Brissette time during the Dolphins game and only recorded two sacks. Of Brissette's 34 passes, he completed 18 leaving 14 incompletions of which only 6 were recorded as "defended" by a Dolphins player.

The running game showed us 17 rushes for 151 yards or roughly 8 yards per carry against the Dolphins. By those objective statistics, the line did a pretty decent job.

The Patriots have competed in four of the five games - the Jets embarrassed them. The 49ers game was a competitive affair until the defense got gassed because the offense could not sustain drives when it needed to do so.

If Drake Maye was in there, and I'm speaking as someone who saw every college game he played on TV or in person (3), Drake would have had a good day against the Dolphins and won that game. He gets rid of the ball faster, has far better ability to avoid the rush, and has great instincts about when to run for the first down. He can also outrun defensive linemen at 22.

If he can read the defenses - a huge if for a rookie who played exclusively in the shotgun at Carolina - he should start this week against the Texans after eight pro games counting the pre-season. The coaching staff should be able to design a game plan to take advantage of his skills and his ability to throw the ball more than ten yards accurately. The coaching staff and Brissette need to throw the ball to the sticks on every play and quit monkeying around underneath, especially when the running game can get you short yardage when needed.

It's Drake Maye time. Send the offense the message you believe in them and to go out there win a game for the defense.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Actually, the offensive line gave Brissette time during the Dolphins game and only recorded two sacks. Of Brissette's 34 passes, he completed 18 leaving 14 incompletions of which only 6 were recorded as "defended" by a Dolphins player.

19 pressures, the majority of which came from straight up the middle. Awful. He was under duress with regularity, despite the Pats use of extra protection via running backs and tight ends for the majority of the game. The Patriots cannot pass protect and I wish people would stop pretending they can.

The running game showed us 17 rushes for 151 yards or roughly 8 yards per carry against the Dolphins. By those objective statistics, the line did a pretty decent job.

We're talking about pass blocking. Can they protect Maye at an adequate level? That's the question, and the answer is a resounding "no." Mayo keeps talking about how tough Brissett is and the big hits he's taken. I don't want Maye taking those hits in a meaningless season. Let him develop from the sidelines, get him some talented OL players in the offseason, and start him next year.

The Patriots have competed in four of the five games - the Jets embarrassed them. The 49ers game was a competitive affair until the defense got gassed because the offense could not sustain drives when it needed to do so.

Any sustained competitiveness has been on the defensive end or when they've been able to run the ball.

If Drake Maye was in there, and I'm speaking as someone who saw every college game he played on TV or in person (3), Drake would have had a good day against the Dolphins and won that game. He gets rid of the ball faster, has far better ability to avoid the rush, and has great instincts about when to run for the first down. He can also outrun defensive linemen at 22.

He's a raw rookie who has played in one game for 10 snaps (2 sacks, 4 pressures). He has not established any of those abilities at the NFL level, and putting him out there now would be reckless.

If he can read the defenses - a huge if for a rookie who played exclusively in the shotgun at Carolina - he should start this week against the Texans after eight pro games counting the pre-season. The coaching staff should be able to design a game plan to take advantage of his skills and his ability to throw the ball more than ten yards accurately.

AVP isn't going to put him in the shotgun. I have no faith in the offensive coaching staff.

There have been rookies who read defenses pretty well to start, but Maye is raw: he's not Luck, Manning or even Wilson. As you said, he doesn't have much experience under center, either. He needs time to learn all that without pass rushers in the backfield all day. This OL is extraordinarily bad at pass blocking, not just bad. The risks are too high. If we had Jayden Daniels -- a more mature talent with the wheels to constantly keep the defense on its heels -- the calculus would be different and you'd probably be able to convince me.

 

[goheels22002]

19 pressures, the majority of which came from straight up the middle. Awful. He was under duress with regularity, despite the Pats use of extra protection via running backs and tight ends for the majority of the game. The Patriots cannot pass protect and I wish people would stop pretending they can.


We're talking about pass blocking. Can they protect Maye at an adequate level? That's the question, and the answer is a resounding "no." Mayo keeps talking about how tough Brissett is and the big hits he's taken. I don't want Maye taking those hits in a meaningless season. Let him develop from the sidelines, get him some talented OL players in the offseason, and start him next year.


Any sustained competitiveness has been on the defensive end or when they've been able to run the ball.


He's a raw rookie who has played in one game for 10 snaps (2 sacks, 4 pressures). He has not established any of those abilities at the NFL level, and putting him out there now would be reckless.


AVP isn't going to put him in the shotgun. I have no faith in the offensive coaching staff.

There have been rookies who read defenses pretty well to start, but Maye is raw: he's not Luck, Manning or even Wilson. As you said, he doesn't have much experience under center, either. He needs time to learn all that without pass rushers in the backfield all day. This OL is extraordinarily bad at pass blocking, not just bad. The risks are too high. If we had Jayden Daniels -- a more mature talent with the wheels to constantly keep the defense on its heels -- the calculus would be different and you'd probably be able to convince me.

I agree with you for the most part, and I too, do not want to see him get killed like David Carr during Houston's expansion year.

But Drake Maye right now is a better QB than Jacoby Brissette. Drake Maye can handle those QB pressures you mention better than Brissette. More to my point is that Drake Maye was a more accurate, decisive downfield thrower two years ago than Jacoby Brissette ever was. Maye is an elite rookie QB.

If AVP has a clue about what he is doing (not a sure thing by any means), there's no reason why the Patriots cannot run a more shotgun-oriented offense to help Maye be comfortable. We've read that his drop-back footwork got better in camp once he was told he needed to be proficient at five-step and seven step drops. The kid is a great athlete and can handle that sort of thing.

I will tell you that the final drive of the game from the 12 or 13 of the Dolphins would have looked entirely different with Maye at the controls and might very well have ended up with a Maye rushing TD when he saw that his receivers were not open. The play calling in that last minute and change was perplexing to me.

Let me end with this question for you, @Force Zero Boomer. Would you be more comfortable if Josh McDaniels was creating the game plan and coaching Drake Maye during the game?

 

[mgteich]

Depends what the media tells Kraft to do.

probably the most illogical statement of the season

 

[mgteich]

How can you justify the other 52 players on this team that put their body on the line that the best QB isn’t playing because the coaches are scared?

Maye was ready enough that they were fine playing him if Brissett got injured week 1! This team will not survive and the coaches will not survive another month with Brissett at QB

How could you justify the coaches starting Maye if they don't think that decision isn't in the best long-term interest of the team?