OFFICIAL 2024 League Cutdown Day Discussion

[Lagaffe_07]

Trent Williams anybody ?

 

[Ross12]

Situational pass rusher? Didn't they just trade a premier pass rusher for a third because they cheaped out on a contract extension?

Yes... creating a need. Lol

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Trent Williams anybody ?

For a conditional 6/7 sure. He’s old and you have to pay him a TON.

 

[upstater1]

C Matt Hennessy could be useful here, 26 years old. Better backup than Leverett

 

[Ring 6]

You're kind of making my point you're holding the Judon trade, Barmore injury, and your overall opinion of the D/front seven against the individuals.

I'm having a hard time deciding on where to predict this D as a whole because I'm nervous about the impact of losing Bill. But yes if I had to make a prediction I would say it's a top ten D probably like 9 or ten.

I mostly base this on the secondary though so I'm still not really making my own case other than to say that I think the players we originally were talking about White, Wise, Godchaux, Bentley, and Tavai I don't think any are top ten but all are firmly above average for their positions.

Why wouldn’t I factor in that we don’t have Judon and Barmore?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

C Matt Hennessy could be useful here, 26 years old. Better backup than Leverett

Definitely better at C!!!

I think Leverett got a bit of a bad rap here for the play at C, which isn't a spot he should be at and was something they were forced to experiment with. Same with Mafi. Not saying those guys are good, but I think the flack they catch as it relates to bad snapping/C play is unfair. They don't belong at that spot.

 

[Uptown]

 

[signbabybrady]

Why wouldn’t I factor in that we don’t have Judon and Barmore?

Because Bentley is still the same guy with or without them and you're letting your frustrations cloud your judgement.

 

[Jim Beankie]

You will be if they pick him up.

When did Shakespeare say that?

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

NEVER MIND: THE SPORTING NEWS DELIBERATELY POSTED A FALSE HEADLINE WITH THE NEWS BELOW:

We traded a 6th for Larry Borom of the Bears. This is pretty rich for a guy who was about to be cut. It signals extreme dislike for the guys we already have. I mean, we drafted Sow, Mafi, Robinson, Wallace, signed Leverett, Jordan, and now you're trading a 6th for a guy who can't get off the bench for a team that was notoriously bad at pass blocking?

No, no, no, wrong, wrong, wrong. It is idiotic to trade for guy that is about to be cut. Consider that this six will probably be the first pick in round six so it is more like a five. Also consider that the Patriots cannot attract free agent (see below); the only way to build the team is through the draft and they need all the draft capital they can get.

Free agents don't want to come to Foxborough for the following reason. This or cheapness or plain stupidity could explain why their Free Agent period was so pathetic.

1. 1) The offense sucks and will continue to suck as long as ownership is so cheap or incompetent
2. 2) The weather sucks
3. 3) The hard playing surface sucks. Players would much rather play on grass.
4. 4) The wealth tax sucks.
5. 5) The sucky douche bags in the press like Felger. Who needs to hear the stuff he said about Randy Moss?
6. 6) Baloney sandwiches and other cheap-out moves.

 

[DaBruinz]

Trent Williams anybody ?

He's 36.. Hasn't played a full season in 10 years. That includes missing the entirety of 2019. He has missed 2-3 games each of the last 4 seasons.

 

[DaBruinz]

Definitely better at C!!!

I think Leverett got a bit of a bad rap here for the play at C, which isn't a spot he should be at and was something they were forced to experiment with. Same with Mafi. Not saying those guys are good, but I think the flack they catch as it relates to bad snapping/C play is unfair. They don't belong at that spot.

HUH? Leverett spent almost a full game at center for Tampa in 2022. He was their back-up center last year as well. If by "experiment" you mean seeing if he could be a back-up center in an outside-zone offense, ok.. But that's part of the reason the Pats signed him. Was because he could back-up at center.

 

[Ring 6]

Because Bentley is still the same guy with or without them and you're letting your frustrations cloud your judgement.

But he isn’t. That’s kind of the point. Bentley is not a STUD ALL-PRO MLB. He is a complementary piece with strengths and weaknesses and will surely not be as effective without good players surrounding him.

Are you honestly telling me he will be just as good and effective with Pharms and Jennings on the forms with him instead of Judon and Barmore? That’s not even debatable.

The Patriots were 15th in scoring defense last year and lost Judon, Barmore, Guy, Wilson, Mills, Phillips and added really no one of note and while also losing belichick you expect them to be better than last year. I just don’t see how.

 

[Ring 6]

He's 36.. Hasn't played a full season in 10 years. That includes missing the entirety of 2019. He has missed 2-3 games each of the last 4 seasons.

So Lardassian Lowe is better?

 

[pmb116]

He's 36.. Hasn't played a full season in 10 years. That includes missing the entirety of 2019. He has missed 2-3 games each of the last 4 seasons.

Is that a yes or no?

 

[signbabybrady]

But he isn’t. That’s kind of the point. Bentley is not a STUD ALL-PRO MLB. He is a complementary piece with strengths and weaknesses and will surely not be as effective without good players surrounding him.

Are you honestly telling me he will be just as good and effective with Pharms and Jennings on the forms with him instead of Judon and Barmore? That’s not even debatable.

The Patriots were 15th in scoring defense last year and lost Judon, Barmore, Guy, Wilson, Mills, Phillips and added really no one of note and while also losing belichick you expect them to be better than last year. I just don’t see how.

If a guard gets past Pharms and walls off Bentley because Pharms isn't as good as Barmore that doesn't make Bentley worse at his job just makes it harder to tell.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

But he isn’t. That’s kind of the point. Bentley is not a STUD ALL-PRO MLB. He is a complementary piece with strengths and weaknesses and will surely not be as effective without good players surrounding him.

Are you honestly telling me he will be just as good and effective with Pharms and Jennings on the forms with him instead of Judon and Barmore? That’s not even debatable.

The Patriots were 15th in scoring defense last year and lost Judon, Barmore, Guy, Wilson, Mills, Phillips and added really no one of note and while also losing belichick you expect them to be better than last year. I just don’t see how.

The offense was 31st in ToP. Anything better than that will help the Defense.

 

[DaBruinz]

But he isn’t. That’s kind of the point. Bentley is not a STUD ALL-PRO MLB. He is a complementary piece with strengths and weaknesses and will surely not be as effective without good players surrounding him.

Are you honestly telling me he will be just as good and effective with Pharms and Jennings on the forms with him instead of Judon and Barmore? That’s not even debatable.

The Patriots were 15th in scoring defense last year and lost Judon, Barmore, Guy, Wilson, Mills, Phillips and added really no one of note and while also losing belichick you expect them to be better than last year. I just don’t see how.

Mills, Phillips and Wilson were back-ups.. Did you even bother to look at how many snaps they got?

The Pats replaces Wilson with McMillan. Phillips is replaced by an ACTUAL Free Safety in Hawkins.

No. Judon hasn't been replaced. But he was gone a majority of last season. Yet the Pats had the 15th Scoring defense.

You're acting like Barmore's blood clots happened in March and not August. How could they have replaced him?


Here is what the Pats got back from injury for their defense: Gonzalez. Marcus Jones. McMillan, Isaiah Bolden, Daniel Ekuale

They also have an improved Keion White who is replacing Guy. An improved Alex Austin.

So, while you lament what they've lost, you completely ignore what they added.

Yeah. They lost Steven and Bill. That happens when there is a coaching changeover.. Are you saying that Mayo and Covington can't handle things?

So Lardassian Lowe is better?

Your ignorance is astounding, Ring. Always has been.. Typical dumb response from you putting words in other people's mouths. Per usual, you want to add a player for the sake of adding a player with ZERO thought to anything beyond your nose.

 

[Ring 6]

If a guard gets past Pharms and walls off Bentley because Pharms isn't as good as Barmore that doesn't make Bentley worse at his job just makes it harder to tell.

That’s not really true. That example would expose a weakness of Bentley that is hidden by having good players in front of him.
For example if Barmore and Judon draw double teams and that lets Bentley run free as a blitzed, he benefited from who he was playing with.
In Bentleys case, since he can’t cover anyone, being part of a better front 7 limits the need for him to cover 1 on 1 or helps him compensate because there is a good rush. If there is no pass rush and that exposes his cover skills that’s showing you his weakness.

 

[Ring 6]

The offense was 31st in ToP. Anything better than that will help the Defense.

Yeah but if the defense can’t stop people that won’t matter.