How Many Games Do Wolf And Mayo Want To Win?

[Wozzy]

A lot of it is because of the schedule. We have as hard a fourth-place schedule in 2024 as I remember any team ever having.

People keep saying this, but I look at the schedule and don’t see a lot of great defenses. Also the teams change week to week due to injury.

At the beginning of last season the Jests were considered a really tough team, that lasted one play and Rogers got hurt. Then we saw their OLine stunk, so even with Rogers they wouldn’t have been that good.

Injuries decimate rosters, contenders turn into pretenders. You play hard and as well as you can, the results will be the results. Every year some team expected to be good misses the playoffs and a team expected to be bad makes them.

Steel hardens steel, if the coaches and players are good enough the Pat’s will make noise… even if their only role is to upset contenders.

 

[Tunescribe]

I get it Tune but we have been spoiled for so long with 20 years of stable QB play ala the Brady years. Didn't the Mac Jones years left a bitter taste in our mouths dude was Broken. We are not asking for a Hofer but please give us decent QB play and not look scared ****less. Everything for a good Team Starts at the QB position.

If that was true they wouldn't have signed Brissett. Aw, don't get me started. d%#*!@t.

 

[PatsFan2]

If that was true they wouldn't have signed Brissett. Aw, don't get me started. d%#*!@t.

Biscuit is dead to me I'm a Maye fan all the way FTR. I'm hoping he beats him out in TC.

 

[PatsFan2]

If that was true they wouldn't have signed Brissett. Aw, don't get me started. d%#*!@t.

Remember Tune we are in transition hopefully our Needle is pointing up.

 

[Tunescribe]

Biscuit is dead to me I'm a Maye fan all the way FTR. I'm hoping he beats him out in TC.

Remember Tune we are in transition hopefully our Needle is pointing up.

Yes, yes, I understand all that, just unimpressed with how they've gone about it thus far. All the DEI/"please be patient"/"pardon our learning curve" crap got old pretty much out of the gate. Maye convincingly winning the job outright in training camp would lend some credibility.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You took me out of context. Easy to argue with strawmen! You always win.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I wanted them to lose over the last month of last season because they were out of the playoffs and needed a shot at a franchise QB. Now that they were able to get that prospect I’ll be back to rooting for them to wil every game, even if they are out of the playoff race. However I don’t think this season is as much about their wins and losses as it is developing a culture that competed on every down, makes the other team pay dearly for playing them, and improving overall, especially at OL and WR. What I don’t want to see is a soft team that just takes losing. I don’t care where they draft now that QB has been addressed.

I find this thread amazing, because it seems that saying that a GM should construct his roster with consideration for future years is now controversial. Of course the team tries to win every game, but a GM should not act as if future seasons do not exist, especially when you have a young QB that might be special but isn't ready to start. Sure, if it's 42 year old GOAT Tom Brady, you might throw caution to the wind because you don't have much time.

 

[Real fan 02]

We also get the Bills twice late in the season who knows what injuries will have done to both teams by then. Also I think the chances that Maye is starting is a lot higher by then than in September.

Your right, I keep going back and forth on maye days starting.. one day I feel like he will start later and next I feel he will right out the gate.. not for nothing, but madden 24.. has him starting lol.

So much this season more than any in recent patriots seasons that I can remember.. is that so much is in the air..

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If Mayo & Wolfie don't work to win every game * they would not and should not be accepted by fans as worthy of th Patriots franchise.
Adios muchachos.

* I'll give a pass on the season ending game IF they are out of the post season and they use it to evaluate new players and bubble players.

 

[Real fan 02]

If that was true they wouldn't have signed Brissett. Aw, don't get me started. d%#*!@t.

Brissett is just a QB on the roster.. be rest assured tune... Drake will be starting...

 

[Tunescribe]

You took me out of context. Easy to argue with strawmen! You always win.

I quoted you directly.

 

[TheRainMaker]

A lot of it is because of the schedule. We have as hard a fourth-place schedule in 2024 as I remember any team ever having.

Like last season, posters and media will be saying the season is over after week 1. The plan of sitting Maye will drastically change when the season gets away from them very quickly. The first 6 games are brutal and is pretty relentless with potential playoff teams which they've had a horrible record against since 2020. I think Maye plays sometime during the 2nd half of the season at the latest.

 

[sb1]

People keep saying this, but I look at the schedule and don’t see a lot of great defenses. Also the teams change week to week due to injury.

At the beginning of last season the Jests were considered a really tough team, that lasted one play and Rogers got hurt. Then we saw their OLine stunk, so even with Rogers they wouldn’t have been that good.

Injuries decimate rosters, contenders turn into pretenders. You play hard and as well as you can, the results will be the results. Every year some team expected to be good misses the playoffs and a team expected to be bad makes them.

Steel hardens steel, if the coaches and players are good enough the Pat’s will make noise… even if their only role is to upset contenders.

All true but it's still a very tough schedule on paper for a team that finished last in their division. Like going on the road for some of their harder games like @SF and @Cin.

Would be nice to see them beat Tua for once.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I quoted you directly.

"I don’t mind them losing a lot this season. This is a massive transition season. If they are playing hard but still end up with a top pick, that will be a good outcome, especially if Wolf’s 2024 draft class looks strong."

You cut off the rest off that paragraph. And you also ignored prior posts when I said they shouldn't tank and should compete to win every game.

Folks need to be realistic. Jacoby isn't taking this team into the playoffs. It's quite likely they will not win much, but I'm hoping for a competitive team. It's a realistic expectation, and if you become frustrated by others with more realistic expectations than you, well, look inward. Yes, I won't mind losing a lot, because that's the most probable outcome this year. I won't go into this season with delusional expectations. But there's still a lot to watch for and be excited about. I haven't been this juiced for a season in a long time.

I have never suggested that the team tank, or that they should try to lose for draft picks.

Btw, you and Triumph are two peas in a pod. You argue the same way: without honor.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I find this thread amazing, because it seems that saying that a GM should construct his roster with consideration for future years is now controversial. Of course the team tries to win every game, but a GM should not act as if future seasons do not exist, especially when you have a young QB that might be special but isn't ready to start. Sure, if it's 42 year old GOAT Tom Brady, you might throw caution to the wind because you don't have much time.

What do you find “ amazing?” They have the guy who is supposed to be their franchise QB, and they are now a younger team that has re-signed many of the guys they plan to build around. The goal from here on out should be to create a really tough team and a winning culture. Do they need more pieces, clearly, but I’m not going to root for them to lose for a higher pick because I think that’s counter productive to building a championship caliber team. If they do get a high pick then so be it, but imo the entire focus of the franchise from here on out should be about putting a winning culture in place.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Brissett is just a QB on the roster.. be rest assured tune... Drake will be starting...

And that would be the stupidest thing they could do. Send Maye out to run for his life and get the **** kicked out of him. It’s a great idea if you want them to be picking a new QB in 27’.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

What do you find “ amazing?” They have the guy who is supposed to be their franchise QB, and they are now a younger team that has re-signed many of the guys they plan to build around. The goal from here on out should be to create a really tough team and a winning culture. Do they need more pieces, clearly, but I’m not going to root for them to lose for a higher pick because I think that’s counter productive to building a championship caliber team. If they do get a high pick then so be it, but imo the entire focus of the franchise from here on out should be about putting a winning culture in place.

I never said they should lose for a higher pick. I said they should try to win every game. And I clearly said what I find amazing in the same sentence: "it seems that saying that a GM should construct his roster with consideration for future years is now controversial." Somehow saying "I wouldn't mind them losing games" gets twisted into "you want them to tank." The two are very different, and to conflate them to disparage me is disingenuous and unfair.

 

[vicspats]

In other words, losing is just peachy until which time you "decide" it isn't and flip the switch. That line of thinking is fundamentally fatally flawed. The ONLY way you develop a winning team culture is by doing everything you possibly can to win NOW -- with a sense of urgency -- with the players you have. This notion of losing being acceptable as long as guys are being developed is B.S., all that does is beget more losing.

Agree ten fold. “Losing is for losers”…you can quote me. Think I just made it up !!

 

[Huckleberry1]

I never said they should lose for a higher pick. I said they should try to win every game. And I clearly said what I find amazing in the same sentence: "it seems that saying that a GM should construct his roster with consideration for future years is now controversial." Somehow saying "I wouldn't mind them losing games" gets twisted into "you want them to tank." The two are very different, and to conflate them to disparage me is disingenuous and unfair.

There is no such thing as tanking, unless it’s a GM or owner deliberately making decisions that harm the team on purpose. Coaches get jobs based upon performance and record, and players rely on game film for $$$ and jobs, neither will deliberately hurt their careers for a higher pick.

Anyone can root for them to win or lose for whatever reason they want to, I am simply saying that the organization should be focused upon winning and a winning culture.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I find this thread amazing, because it seems that saying that a GM should construct his roster with consideration for future years is now controversial. Of course the team tries to win every game, but a GM should not act as if future seasons do not exist, especially when you have a young QB that might be special but isn't ready to start. Sure, if it's 42 year old GOAT Tom Brady, you might throw caution to the wind because you don't have much time.

I think the GM takes these considerations into account when it comes to contracts more than anything else, and I’m sure that’s a part of what is going on with Judon. Great player, great leader, but how long do you extend him for, and for how much $$$?