How Many Games Do Wolf And Mayo Want To Win?

[Real fan 02]

I believe last season the expectation was for Mac to look like his rookie year, and the team to be pretty decent at least 9,10 wins... that quickly faded. This season seems like no one is giving us much hope to win any games..

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

Obviously?

How many posters, last year and this, suggested that the team should try to win fewer games so that their draft picks would be better?

Yeah, those are posters though. Big difference between random posters on here and people getting paid to win football games. Of course they want to win every game they can.

Also, as far as posters go, I think there's a difference between wanting the team to lose it's last few games when it's already established they suck and have no chance of doing anything in order to get a top pick, and going into the year wanting to lose before the first game is even played. I'm pretty confident the team is gonna suck this year but I'm gonna give them a chance to surprise me first before I actively decide I would rather lose than win the last few games or so.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, those are posters though. Big difference between random posters on here and people getting paid to win football games. Of course they want to win every game they can.

Also, as far as posters go, I think there's a difference between wanting the team to lose it's last few games when it's already established they suck and have no chance of doing anything in order to get a top pick, and going into the year wanting to lose before the first game is even played. I'm pretty confident the team is gonna suck this year but I'm gonna give them a chance to surprise me first before I actively decide I would rather lose than win the last few games or so.

You make good points. I've put some thoughts into the team. I really feel like this team's going to be very competitive this season. I believe they will be watchable on offense, we know they will get after it on defense.. now being comp of course doesn't necc permeat to wins.. but what it does is instills confidence. Especially in young players. I can confidently say no offense is going to have thier way with the defense this season. It's going to be hard to out up 20 points on this defense.

 

[vicspats]

That’s gonna leave a mark …

 

[Tunescribe]

That’s gonna leave a mark …

This ridiculous thread already has -- on my psyche.

 

[Clonamery]

This ridiculous thread already has -- on my psyche.

The OP is bored/boring.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wanted them to lose over the last month of last season because they were out of the playoffs and needed a shot at a franchise QB. Now that they were able to get that prospect I’ll be back to rooting for them to wil every game, even if they are out of the playoff race. However I don’t think this season is as much about their wins and losses as it is developing a culture that competed on every down, makes the other team pay dearly for playing them, and improving overall, especially at OL and WR. What I don’t want to see is a soft team that just takes losing. I don’t care where they draft now that QB has been addressed.

 

[Thelonious]

I think they should devote no attention whatsoever this year to how many wins they accomplish. Players on the field are of course to be expected to do their best, not to the end necessarily of winning the game, but in hopes of earning a roster spot going forward, of showing the coaches what they can do. In other words, this season should be entirely about the rebuild, about evaluating and developing what you have and getting rid of those who show themselves to have no role going forward.

This year is about next year and years following...period.

If as the year goes on, the record grows as dismal as I expect it to, I will see nothing wrong with the team even more actively favoring development and evaluation over winning, given that losses do as a practical matter give you a better draft position. It may well be that will be the case even before mid-season.

I would apply the same rationale to the quarterbacks, except that the safety of your top draft pick must be an additional factor, given how dismally bad the O-line is very likely to be as we experiment to see what we have and what combinations work, again with an eye to the future. I would not even object to a week-to-week decision as to which QB starts based in part on the injury risks associated with the opponent's defense.

We will never know what Mac might have become because he was so stupidly mishandled by our former HC. Let's not make anything like the same sort of mistake this year. (This is not a Mac fanboy comment: I frankly doubt Mac could ever have become anything more than a serviceable mediocrity, but we were certainly prevented from knowing this by Bill's pettiness and irresponsibility in handling him. Bill's mishandling of Mac alone justified his firing, in my view. Still p----s me off every time I think about it, frankly.)

 

[Wozzy]

I think they should devote no attention whatsoever this year to how many wins they accomplish. Players on the field are of course to be expected to do their best, not to the end necessarily of winning the game, but in hopes of earning a roster spot going forward, of showing the coaches what they can do. In other words, this season should be entirely about the rebuild, about evaluating and developing what you have and getting rid of those who show themselves to have no role going forward.

This year is about next year and years following...period.

If as the year goes on, the record grows as dismal as I expect it to, I will see nothing wrong with the team even more actively favoring development and evaluation over winning, given that losses do as a practical matter give you a better draft position. It may well be that will be the case even before mid-season.

I would apply the same rationale to the quarterbacks, except that the safety of your top draft pick must be an additional factor, given how dismally bad the O-line is very likely to be as we experiment to see what we have and what combinations work, again with an eye to the future. I would not even object to a week-to-week decision as to which QB starts based in part on the injury risks associated with the opponent's defense.

We will never know what Mac might have become because he was so stupidly mishandled by our former HC. Let's not make anything like the same sort of mistake this year. (This is not a Mac fanboy comment: I frankly doubt Mac could ever have become anything more than a serviceable mediocrity, but we were certainly prevented from knowing this by Bill's pettiness and irresponsibility in handling him. Bill's mishandling of Mac alone justified his firing, in my view. Still p----s me off every time I think about it, frankly.)

The Rams spent seven years worth of first round picks and a slew of other draft picks and a mountain of cap space to win a single championship. There was a cost for doing business. In 2022 they were broke, they had a fire sale and traded away or cut all their expensive vets. Last year they drafted 14 players in a single class, this comes after trading back multiple times and collecting a lot of late round picks to add to their storehouse.

In short, they fixed their cap in 2022, they went from winning a championship to the worst record in NFL history for a Super Bowl winner the next season. They went from winning 12 games and a championship in 2021, winning 5 games in 2022, then last year rebuilt and went 10-7 in a weak conference and division. It took them one season to reset their cap and start over, we'll see if they can make another jump this season.

The Pats reset their cap back in 2020... this notion that they were horrible last year so it will takes years to fix is nonsense. Their offense last year was horrible, their defense and majority of the rest of their team was good. Their offense wasn't horrid because they had all bad players, they had a bad QB... their WR's and OL dealt with a lot of injuries, their coaches weren't all on the same page. Those players are healthy now, the coaches are all pulling in the same direction now.

They had all the cap space and draft picks in the world to play with this offseason. If you're not teaching your young players how to win... you're teaching them to lose. Play to win... you may not win, but you play to win games.

 

[Clonamery]

Play to win... you may not win, but you play to win games.

Yeah. Dis.

 

[Clonamery]

Yeah. Dis.

Although Herm Edwards was a little more emphatic.

 

[sb1]

I believe last season the expectation was for Mac to look like his rookie year, and the team to be pretty decent at least 9,10 wins... that quickly faded. This season seems like no one is giving us much hope to win any games..

A lot of it is because of the schedule. We have as hard a fourth-place schedule in 2024 as I remember any team ever having.

 

[vicspats]

I think they should devote no attention whatsoever this year to how many wins they accomplish. Players on the field are of course to be expected to do their best, not to the end necessarily of winning the game, but in hopes of earning a roster spot going forward, of showing the coaches what they can do. In other words, this season should be entirely about the rebuild, about evaluating and developing what you have and getting rid of those who show themselves to have no role going forward.

This year is about next year and years following...period.

If as the year goes on, the record grows as dismal as I expect it to, I will see nothing wrong with the team even more actively favoring development and evaluation over winning, given that losses do as a practical matter give you a better draft position. It may well be that will be the case even before mid-season.

I would apply the same rationale to the quarterbacks, except that the safety of your top draft pick must be an additional factor, given how dismally bad the O-line is very likely to be as we experiment to see what we have and what combinations work, again with an eye to the future. I would not even object to a week-to-week decision as to which QB starts based in part on the injury risks associated with the opponent's defense.

We will never know what Mac might have become because he was so stupidly mishandled by our former HC. Let's not make anything like the same sort of mistake this year. (This is not a Mac fanboy comment: I frankly doubt Mac could ever have become anything more than a serviceable mediocrity, but we were certainly prevented from knowing this by Bill's pettiness and irresponsibility in handling him. Bill's mishandling of Mac alone justified his firing, in my view. Still p----s me off every time I think about it, frankly.)

This year is about this year. No one that has any competitive bone in their body would feel like that. These professional athletes need wins to bolster their resumes … as do coaches. How much time will Mayo get before he’s in hot water ? A year ? Two? Three at best ? Wins = money. Pressure is on. Mayo following Bill alone will be stressful, winning cures everything. Damn the torpedos !!! Full steam ahead !!!

 

[sb1]

We will never know what Mac might have become because he was so stupidly mishandled by our former HC. Let's not make anything like the same sort of mistake this year. (This is not a Mac fanboy comment: I frankly doubt Mac could ever have become anything more than a serviceable mediocrity, but we were certainly prevented from knowing this by Bill's pettiness and irresponsibility in handling him. Bill's mishandling of Mac alone justified his firing, in my view. Still p----s me off every time I think about it, frankly.)

^^^ This. The coaching was absolutely wretched the last couple of seasons. Jones is now in a role in Jax that probably suits him much better - backup NFL QB. But he never really had a chance here with the crap coaching.

 

[Real fan 02]

A lot of it is because of the schedule. We have as hard a fourth-place schedule in 2024 as I remember any team ever having.

You're correct. On the schedule it never really turns out to be what people perceive to be. That's why you have to play the games. For example burrow isn't 100%.. he's told the Cincy reporters covering the team as such. That's a huge deal.. Rodgers is 40, coming off a pretty serious injury. There is some tension in the team with his commitment.. just using those for an example as we see them early. We will need to stack wins early and in the first month of the season is the best Time to do it.

 

[sb1]

You're correct. On the schedule it never really turns out to be what people perceive to be. That's why you have to play the games. For example burrow isn't 100%.. he's told the Cincy reporters covering the team as such. That's a huge deal.. Rodgers is 40, coming off a pretty serious injury. There is some tension in the team with his commitment.. just using those for an example as we see them early. We will need to stack wins early and in the first month of the season is the best Time to do it.

We also get the Bills twice late in the season who knows what injuries will have done to both teams by then. Also I think the chances that Maye is starting is a lot higher by then than in September.

 

[Tunescribe]

I wanted them to lose over the last month of last season because they were out of the playoffs and needed a shot at a franchise QB.

Hate, hate, H-A-T-E this line of thinking. It defies everything that defines being a fan. Fan = fanatic, re. being "fanatical" about the team winning. What you want is star players, not a football team. So if Maye busts you'll be right back to rooting for Patriots losses. Pathetic. Draft picks guarantee nothing. Playing every game like a life or death proposition is what matters toward building a winning program.

 

[PatsFan2]

Wolfe is not behaving like someone who wants to win 20 games THIS year.
If he wanted to win 20 this year, he would have done more in free agency to fix the OL and skill positions. He probbaly would have not signed Brissett.
To me he seems like he is trying to set things up to go for it big time in 26.
Right now he is slowly collecting talent and yes that does include having an opportunity in the 25 draft to get top tier talent on the offense.

I am not saying he would be upset if they won a lot of games this year, but his approach does not seem to indicate that is his expectation or intent.

It's not Wolf's fault that Prime time FA's preferred elsewhere: when you're picking #3 or coming off a four win season let's just say guys are not beating the doors down...let me in...let me in. Hopefully Drake Maye fixes that.

 

[Tunescribe]

I think they should devote no attention whatsoever this year to how many wins they accomplish. Players on the field are of course to be expected to do their best, not to the end necessarily of winning the game, but in hopes of earning a roster spot going forward, of showing the coaches what they can do. In other words, this season should be entirely about the rebuild, about evaluating and developing what you have and getting rid of those who show themselves to have no role going forward.

This year is about next year and years following...period.

If as the year goes on, the record grows as dismal as I expect it to, I will see nothing wrong with the team even more actively favoring development and evaluation over winning, given that losses do as a practical matter give you a better draft position. It may well be that will be the case even before mid-season.

I would apply the same rationale to the quarterbacks, except that the safety of your top draft pick must be an additional factor, given how dismally bad the O-line is very likely to be as we experiment to see what we have and what combinations work, again with an eye to the future. I would not even object to a week-to-week decision as to which QB starts based in part on the injury risks associated with the opponent's defense.

We will never know what Mac might have become because he was so stupidly mishandled by our former HC. Let's not make anything like the same sort of mistake this year. (This is not a Mac fanboy comment: I frankly doubt Mac could ever have become anything more than a serviceable mediocrity, but we were certainly prevented from knowing this by Bill's pettiness and irresponsibility in handling him. Bill's mishandling of Mac alone justified his firing, in my view. Still p----s me off every time I think about it, frankly.)

In other words, losing is just peachy until which time you "decide" it isn't and flip the switch. That line of thinking is fundamentally fatally flawed. The ONLY way you develop a winning team culture is by doing everything you possibly can to win NOW -- with a sense of urgency -- using the players you have. This notion of losing being acceptable as long as guys are being developed is B.S., all that does is beget more losing.

 

[PatsFan2]

Hate, hate, H-A-T-E this line of thinking. It defies everything that defines being a fan. Fan = fanatic, re. being "fanatical" about the team winning. What you want is star players, not a football team. So if Maye busts you'll be right back to rooting for Patriots losses. Pathetic. Draft picks guarantee nothing. Playing every game like a life or death proposition is what matters toward building a winning program.

I get it Tune but we have been spoiled for so long with 20 years of stable QB play ala the Brady years. Didn't the Mac Jones years left a bitter taste in our mouths dude was Broken. We are not asking for a Hofer but please give us decent QB play and not look scared ****less. Everything for a good Team Starts at the QB position.