33rd Team Ranks Patriots as #1 Roster Most in Need of Help

[Pape]

You mentioned the loss of bill no? He was the HC as well as his defense being ran.. so I felt the need to comment on that in my post to you. It has every bit of needing change... all organizations go through it Pape.. I'm not trying to argue, or say your opinion is wrong at all my friend. That's your opinion and your entitled to it. We just don't know.. honestly.. week 1, and beyond will tell us all alot.

dude, i know all teams go thru it. Buts that's completely, deliberately, missing the point.

The point is this coaching staff has no experience. They don't have that pool of knowledge to draw from, specifically on the defensive side of the ball, but in general all facets of the game...

Coach Mayo has 5 years coaching experience in total... Total
Demarcus Covington has one season as a DC - At Eastern Illinois
The guy who should have gotten the DC role, who had the most experience, is coaching in Washington...
I don't even want to get into the offensive coaching staff...

 

[Real fan 02]

I'd also say they signed Jacoby March 11, at that point Jayden Daniels was just as likely as Drake Maye to be the pick, would they have sat a 5 year starter that's almost 24 years old to play Jacoby? No!
The idea Jacoby was signed "to be the starter" has lots of caveats. He was signed as insurance if the top pick was not ready to play day 1. Once it became Maye everyone just changed it to Jacoby was signed to mentor Maye because Maye is "raw". But what if Maye is "Not raw".

Agree here. All QB prospects are raw. Even day one starters.. the acclimation to the NFL starts the day they are drafted. I love that Drake chose to stay around the area,and stay around the facilities to get deep in the playbook. The guy doesn't seem like an error repeater. If... .maye wins out in camp then Mayo's got a interesting decision to make.

 

[Real fan 02]

dude, i know all teams go thru it. Buts that's completely, deliberately, missing the point.

The point is this coaching staff has no experience. They don't have that pool of knowledge to draw from, specifically on the defensive side of the ball, but in general all facets of the game...

Coach Mayo has 5 years coaching experience in total... Total
Demarcus Covington has one season as a DC - At Eastern Illinois
The guy who should have gotten the DC role, who had the most experience, is coaching in Washington...
I don't even want to get into the offensive coaching staff...

Ok I get it!!... AVPs got experience, McAdoo, for example.. covington been coaching for 8 seasons in the defense. The principals are there. Whether or not they are " good" coaches is another thing.. and I'm not missing the point.. I understand this is a new staff. If we had to start the season with Zapp as a starter ok now we're up ****s creek.. however we are not! Better QB play would do wonders for this team even with a new or unproven coaching staff.. is all I'm saying... but overall I agree with u. Guess I'm just optimistic.

 

[Huckleberry1]

When our OT's become a competent unit, we will have the talent of a contender for the playoffs, needing only that the team learns the Offense and is on the same page, and of course avoids 2023's level of injuries.

I’m surprised by this, you are usually more level headed. They were one of the worst team’s in football last season, and they have a lot to prove and a long way to go to become a contender. The first things they need to do are to show that they are a team that is going to fight their asses off on every play on both sides of the ball, and that doesn’t require any additional talent, only toughness and desire. The second thing they need to show is the kind of commitment to execution they used to have under Belichick’s best teams, that however does require more talent, as you can’t win the execution battles without winning the 1-1 battles, but at a minimum they can reduce the penalties. If they can improve significantly in both areas, and the skill players on offense, and the OL show real improvement then they can start bringing Maye into the equation.

What I really care about this season is their competitiveness and commitment. I don’t expect them to contend, only to show they are heading in the right direction. Next year (25’) expect them to challenge for a playoff spot, and hopefully by 26’ they can

Well I understand your point. But coaches coaches to win games, and grow players. If drakes the starter it wouldn't necessarily be a desperate attempt he's out there because he's earned it! Just like CJ earned the job in Houston. Davis mills was told he was the starter and CJ won the job. Mayo's preaching competition at each and every position. I have no problem if Brissett is playing this season. However I just don't think it's going to go how people assume.

We drafted Drake for a reason. Of course let him develop, and When he's ready absolutely he should be starting if he's earned the job. I just think alot of it goes back to how the situation with Mac happened. That was self inflicted!

We can go around and around and around on this but the bottom line is that Drake Maye was an investment for the next decade plus, not a stopgap to get some wins this year. I don’t care if he’s already Tom Brady at his peak, he shouldn’t go anywhere near the field until their OL can run the ball efficiently, and protect the QB. There is no faster way to destroy a young WB than to send them out there to get destroyed week after week behind a weak OL. I’m an optimist, but this idea that they are magically going to go from dogshit to contender overnight is batshit crazy. They need to take their time, follow their plan, and build the team systematically for long term success, not waste their young QB is an idiotic attempt to “ contend now.”

 

[Wozzy]

And Polk will be a stud, go-to receiver that will play like a first round talent. He’s really going to be good.

Hopefully, I see a good possession receiver like a young Juju.

 

[Wozzy]

Agree. Even hurts was praising gonzo, saying the kid was going to be a star in the league. I don't think people understand enough just how good this defense is in 2024 NFL standards.. they get after the passer, they stop the run, they hold teams in the red area. Mayo should put gonzo on Higgins, double chase with Austin and a S.. make burrow the check down king.

Assuming health the defense will be great, they were great last year but the offense was dead last… it will take a team.

 

[Real fan 02]

Assuming health the defense will be great, they were great last year but the offense was dead last… it will take a team.

You said it a TEAM.. I just refuse to accept they will be worse than 4 wins.. if we have any semblance an NFL caliber offense.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m surprised by this, you are usually more level headed. They were one of the worst team’s in football last season, and they have a lot to prove and a long way to go to become a contender. The first things they need to do are to show that they are a team that is going to fight their asses off on every play on both sides of the ball, and that doesn’t require any additional talent, only toughness and desire. The second thing they need to show is the kind of commitment to execution they used to have under Belichick’s best teams, that however does require more talent, as you can’t win the execution battles without winning the 1-1 battles, but at a minimum they can reduce the penalties. If they can improve significantly in both areas, and the skill players on offense, and the OL show real improvement then they can start bringing Maye into the equation.

What I really care about this season is their competitiveness and commitment. I don’t expect them to contend, only to show they are heading in the right direction. Next year (25’) expect them to challenge for a playoff spot, and hopefully by 26’ they can


We can go around and around and around on this but the bottom line is that Drake Maye was an investment for the next decade plus, not a stopgap to get some wins this year. I don’t care if he’s already Tom Brady at his peak, he shouldn’t go anywhere near the field until their OL can run the ball efficiently, and protect the QB. There is no faster way to destroy a young WB than to send them out there to get destroyed week after week behind a weak OL. I’m an optimist, but this idea that they are magically going to go from dogshit to contender overnight is batshit crazy. They need to take their time, follow their plan, and build the team systematically for long term success, not waste their young QB is an idiotic attempt to “ contend now.”

Ok. I get that. Definitely agree here... but what I'm asking you is. What if he's leaps and bounds ahead of Brissett.. meaning Drake is moving the ball, making few mistakes, taking care of the ball. And Brissette is struggling? During camp.. what would you do.?

 

[1960Pats]

Architect and player caller of the "fairly well" playing defense of '23 are both gone.
Replaced by HC and DC who both have never called a play in the NFL.

None of us really know, but if I had to guess I'd say that Mayo might have had more to do with the day to day operation of the defense than Bill.

 

[1960Pats]

You sure about that?

**One ring earned while on IR after week 6 of 2014

PS..."pedigree" is wrong choice of words unless you meant Mayo descends from a line of ancestral champions

Nowhere in the definition of pedigree does winning come into play. The word fits Mayo perfectly.

 

[1960Pats]

Gronk is qualified to rate the 3 stooges with Moe, Larry and Curly vs Moe, Larry and Shemp.

Yeah, what the hell does Gronk know about football? He needs to read some of your posts and learn some things before he makes comments.

 

[1960Pats]

dude, i know all teams go thru it. Buts that's completely, deliberately, missing the point.

The point is this coaching staff has no experience. They don't have that pool of knowledge to draw from, specifically on the defensive side of the ball, but in general all facets of the game...

Coach Mayo has 5 years coaching experience in total... Total
Demarcus Covington has one season as a DC - At Eastern Illinois
The guy who should have gotten the DC role, who had the most experience, is coaching in Washington...
I don't even want to get into the offensive coaching staff...

You're overrating coaching. They'll be fine once they have enough solid players. They've already much better at QB.

Bill Belichick is arguably the GOAT HC, but he had 4 wins last year and it was the 4th year in a row of steadily declining win totals.

Bruce Ariens was mocked here endlessly and then won a SB with players that left here.

The influence of players over coaches really doesn't get any plainer to see than that.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Agree. Even hurts was praising gonzo, saying the kid was going to be a star in the league. I don't think people understand enough just how good this defense is in 2024 NFL standards.. they get after the passer, they stop the run, they hold teams in the red area. Mayo should put gonzo on Higgins, double chase with Austin and a S.. make burrow the check down king.

The fact that the defense did not fold when the offense was largely comprised of three and outs complimented by back breaking turnovers should not be overlooked. That unshakable attitude is hard to replicate. I hope that that they can have the same level of resiliency this year, even if the media does not like the talent.

 

[Real fan 02]

The fact that the defense did not fold when the offense was largely comprised of three and outs complimented by back breaking turnovers should not be overlooked. That unshakable attitude is hard to replicate. e that they can have the same level of resiliency this year, even if the media does not like the talent.

Even when we had Mcginist, teddy, ty law, Rodney, phifer,.. the media still never gave them the full credit.. they deserved fully. These men on defense remind me so much of those 2000s patriots defenses..

 

[Real fan 02]

None of us really know, but if I had to guess I'd say that Mayo might have had more to do with the day to day operation of the defense than Bill.

That's correct.. as reported Bill was leaning more to the offense last few seasons.. by end of 22.. Bill was calling the offensive plays..

 

[Stu Pidassle]

That's correct.. as reported Bill was leaning more to the offense last few seasons.. by end of 22.. Bill was calling the offensive plays..

Coaching brain drain, exacerbated by his inability to bring in outside talent, was the underlying reason that BB flamed out. Even if everything is good the head coach can't do everything. Trying to take over after the train has left the tracks never ends well.

 

[Pape]

You're overrating coaching. They'll be fine once they have enough solid players. They've already much better at QB.

Bill Belichick is arguably the GOAT HC, but he had 4 wins last year and it was the 4th year in a row of steadily declining win totals.

Bruce Ariens was mocked here endlessly and then won a SB with players that left here.

The influence of players over coaches really doesn't get any plainer to see than that.

BA, correct me if I'm wrong, brought the Cardinals to the Superbowl Conference Championship... So, what happened when he left?

We have a returning roster that won four games last year. Tampa had a quality roster missing a QB. Two completely different scenarios.

Combine our inadequate roster with an unknown, inexperienced coaching staff... And I'm overrating coaching?

I don't think so.

edit: BA did not bring the Cards to the SB. But he did make the NFCCG

 

[Real fan 02]

Coaching brain drain, exacerbated by his inability to bring in outside talent, was the underlying reason that BB flamed out. Even if everything is good the head coach can't do everything. Trying to take over after the train has left the tracks never ends well.

Yes, I like that Mayo has a bigger staff. The HC has to focus on so much.. but having those other coaches on your staff makes the job much easier. When you see Mayo's interviews now you can see growth, you can sense that he's acclimating to his role.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, what the hell does Gronk know about football? He needs to read some of your posts and learn some things before he makes comments.

Yeah. Gronk is definetly NFL GM material.

Kraft better lock him up before others like you notice.

 

[Real fan 02]

You're overrating coaching. They'll be fine once they have enough solid players. They've already much better at QB.

Bill Belichick is arguably the GOAT HC, but he had 4 wins last year and it was the 4th year in a row of steadily declining win totals.

Bruce Ariens was mocked here endlessly and then won a SB with players that left here.

The influence of players over coaches really doesn't get any plainer to see than that.