Are we a quarterback away from being good?

[RIpats88]

Mahomes won the Super Bowl last year. Without Hill.
A backup QB frequently looks good for a few games, until the league figures you out.
This is just regular run-of-the-mill knee-jerk reactions after one week.

I mean, you should make the case that Mahomes misses Smith-Schuster. Big difference out there.

Hill has been gone from KC for 2 years.

Who on our team is as good as Kelce and demands the coverage he does? I'll wait

 

[RIpats88]

To all football pundits here , what is purdy doing so correctly, playing at MVP level despite having similar arm strength as mac or having height disadvantages like zappe . What are the intangibles that Bailey and Mac lack that purdy seems to have in abundance.

I understand the 49ers roster is stacked. But that doesn't mean purdy is not doing anything. He seems to be doing something right or Shanahan is doing something right to limit his weaknesses.

Purdy has Mccafrey, Deebo Samuel, Kittle, and ayuk to throw to and has a strong OL. He's doing his job but let's not act like it doesn't help when you have a RB putting up 130 yards a game and 3 elite talents teams must scheme for. Jimmy G was putting up stats with that offense.

Zappe/Mac are throwing to juju, parker with a porous OL.

I would suspect if you put Purdy on the Patriots he isn't lighting it up. He's in a perfect situation.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Who on our team is as good as Kelce? I'll wait

Keep waiting. He is talking about Kc wrs, obviously Kelce is one of the best te’s in the league and the center piece of Kc’s offense. You could argue they are at the bottom like the Pats at that position.

 

[RIpats88]

Let Mahomes win without kelce and we can talk.

Mahomes had 2 cheat codes in kelce and Hill and last year 49ers might have won if they had purdy in center.

Brady had gronk , Edelman and scar conjuring magic on Oline. Bill had 0 work there and hence the success.

Now the entire offensive line and significant part of defense needs to be resigned. Only Gonzo is the young stud on defense, rest are aging veterans or free agents.

Why are we playing pretend all of a sudden that elite receivers don't matter?

Fans watched Moss/welker and Gronk/Edelman for years. And saw how even Brady struggled when his receiving core was poor.

And then want to tell me that Juju/parker is perfectly comparable.

 

[RIpats88]

Keep waiting. He is talking about Kc wrs, obviously Kelce is one of the best te’s in the league and the center piece of Kc’s offense. You could argue they are at the bottom like the Pats at that position.

This is just deflecting and playing semantics. No one cares if the title is Tight end or Receiver. Technically since he doesn't block Kelce is a big receiver.

Doesn't change the fact that he commands coverage and double teams something none of our receivers do.

Maybe I should say the Patriots need elite RECEIVING talent. Because some poster gets so hung up on the semantics of position. And not what the player actually brings to the table

 

[condon84]

We are 3-7 in one score games. All those games lost has a plethora of dumb decisions and back-breaking plays made by Mac. He doesn't make those dumb decisions we could be above .500. Who knows.

How can you really make an honest assessment of the offense as a whole when your QB has been the lynchpin for how the OL and WR has looked?

Zappe, in one half of good QB play, made the OL and weapons look like a competent unit.

I agree that we could improve both the OL and and WRs. But judging them when Mac was playing is doing this team a massive disservice.

 

[Patriot Missile]

This is just deflecting and playing semantics. No one cares if the title is Tight end or Receiver. Technically since he doesn't block Kelce is a big receiver.

Doesn't change the fact that he commands coverage and double teams something none of our receivers do.

100% on Kelce being a glorified wr but he is listed as a Te and Kc’s offense is not right not having (another) go to (serviceable) wr. I think most drops in the league.

 

[upstater1]

Who on our team is as good as Kelce and demands the coverage he does? I'll wait

How is that relevant? I'm not the one saying Mahomes is a shell of himself without Hill.
I'm the one giving Mahomes a lot of credit.

 

[Patriot Missile]

It’s also why I laugh at the argument that he will be the best te when its all said and done. If you can’t block your not an all around te. Your a glorified Jimmy Graham.

 

[RIpats88]

100% on Kelce being a glorified wr but he is listed as a Te and Kc’s offense is not right not having (another) go to (serviceable) wr. I think most drops in the league.

I agree. And no one isn't saying Juju isn't a serviceable WR. Just that he shouldn't be your #1 target. He's perfectly fine if we have an elite receiver next to him.

We are 3-7 in one score games. All those games lost has a plethora of dumb decisions and back-breaking plays made by Mac. He doesn't make those dumb decisions we could be above .500. Who knows.

How can you really make an honest assessment of the offense as a whole when your QB has been the lynchpin for how the OL and WR has looked?

Zappe, in one half of good QB play, made the OL and weapons look like a competent unit.

I agree that we could improve both the OL and and WRs. But judging them when Mac was playing is doing this team a massive disservice.

Good enough to be .500 and compete for playoffs? Or good enough to be a top team in the NFL. These are two separate things. I don't think anyone disagrees we are better than 3-10 with better QB play.

But, Even with bad QB play I can still say that none of our receivers have talent of AJ brown or Deebo. And can still see that lowe can't block.

We won 21-18 vs a Steelers team with trubisky. Let's not take victory laps yet over 1 half of football. The 2nd half looked like more of the same

 

[RIpats88]

Why are fans so against just admitting we need a bonafide #1 elite talent who can Garner coverage if we truly want to compete?

Is it a defense of Bill whiffing/ignoring getting one since Gronk 13 years ago?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Who on our team is as good as Kelce and demands the coverage he does? I'll wait

Kayshon Boutte

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Why are fans so against just admitting we need a bonafide #1 elite talent who can Garner coverage if we truly want to compete?

Is it a defense of Bill whiffing/ignoring getting one since Gronk 13 years ago?

Because then we can't just put 100% of the blame on the QB. In NE, the QB should be able to make chicken salad out of chicken **** because the greatest QB of all time did that for almost 20 years (GOAT QBs grow on trees)

 

[condon84]

I agree. And no one isn't saying Juju isn't a serviceable WR. Just that he shouldn't be your #1 target. He's perfectly fine if we have an elite receiver next to him.



Good enough to be .500 and compete for playoffs? Or good enough to be a top team in the NFL. These are two separate things. I don't think anyone disagrees we are better than 3-10 with better QB play.

But, Even with bad QB play I can still say that none of our receivers have talent of AJ brown or Deebo. And can still see that lowe can't block.

We won 21-18 vs a Steelers team with trubisky. Let's not take victory laps yet over 1 half of football. The 2nd half looked like more of the same

I would love to have Brown or Deebo. And I agree that we need a bonafide #1 WR. But I see post saying get rid of everyone which is crazy to me.

We have serviceable receivers that are being hampered by awful QB play for majority of the year. Our OL, while not elite, looks even worse because our QB does not know how to step up in the pocket or have any general pocket awareness.

Me bringing up that Steelers 1st half game is an example of how good QB play can make the OL and receivers look. If we had that type of play the entire year we are in it.

 

[Wozzy]

Because then we can't just put 100% of the blame on the QB. In NE, the QB should be able to make chicken salad out of chicken **** because the greatest QB of all time did that for almost 20 years (GOAT QBs grow on trees)

You. don’t need a GOAT… but nobody can win with the worst starting QB in the league. That’s what Mac was.

The Browns posted the third highest point total of the season with Flacco. He’s no GOAT, he just doesn’t suck like the Browns previous backup QB.

 

[Ring 6]

Because then we can't just put 100% of the blame on the QB. In NE, the QB should be able to make chicken salad out of chicken **** because the greatest QB of all time did that for almost 20 years (GOAT QBs grow on trees)

No one is putting 100% of the blame on anyone, but the share that is in the qb is enormous for this team. We were trying to compete with a QB who cannot effectively execute a pass play as designed. We were playing with a qb who choked in key situations.
With almost any other QB in the nfl there are a minimum of 4 losses (wash, chargers, Indy, LV) that would have been wins. So the starting point is the qb play, compared to poor but not awful, I’d responsible for 7-6 being 3-10.
How much good qb play would increase that is debatable.
At its worst this is a .500 team being dragged down by horrendous QB play.

 

[RIpats88]

Because then we can't just put 100% of the blame on the QB. In NE, the QB should be able to make chicken salad out of chicken **** because the greatest QB of all time did that for almost 20 years (GOAT QBs grow on trees)

but even then, Brady struggled in 2006, 2013, 2019 when he had average receivers....I think its fans just don't want to admit bill's failings

 

[RIpats88]

No one is putting 100% of the blame on anyone, but the share that is in the qb is enormous for this team. We were trying to compete with a QB who cannot effectively execute a pass play as designed. We were playing with a qb who choked in key situations.
With almost any other QB in the nfl there are a minimum of 4 losses (wash, chargers, Indy, LV) that would have been wins. So the starting point is the qb play, compared to poor but not awful, I’d responsible for 7-6 being 3-10.
How much good qb play would increase that is debatable.
At its worst this is a .500 team being dragged down by horrendous QB play.

But the question is are we a QB away....NOT are we better than 3-10...being 7-6 at best is NOT a QB away.

being a QB away means all the pieces are in place to compete for a super bowl and we just need one guy. can anyone realistically believe this team has comparable offensive talent to the current top teams in the league?

 

[Calhoun44]

but even then, Brady struggled in 2006, 2013, 2019 when he had average receivers....I think its fans just don't want to admit bill's failings

As a fan of the NEP and a person who hopes they retain BB to see what he does with a high draft pick, I can readily admit that acquiring WR talent is a weakness of BB. However, I also, think that a surprising missing piece of the offense is the 3rd down back. That boggles my mind that we don't have a shifty receiving back this year to pick up blitzes and make big catches to move the chains. Can't remember the last time we had an offense absent that piece. Really miss James White, loved watching him play, especially that one particular play. .

 

[Calhoun44]

But the question is are we a QB away....NOT are we better than 3-10...being 7-6 at best is NOT a QB away.

being a QB away means all the pieces are in place to compete for a super bowl and we just need one guy. can anyone realistically believe this team has comparable offensive talent to the current top teams in the league?

Actually, the question was "Are we a QB away from being good?"