Caleb Williams would turn this team around FAST. The Case for Tanking

[PATSYLICIOUS]

We don't need to do anything to tank. Bill is tanking by being the 2023 version of Bill.

The only concern there is the schedule gets a bit softer here on out. Lots of these games can go either way and then we have denver/nyg on the schedule too. I could easily see us finishing with 6 or 7 wins which would effectively be worst case scenario for this team in the long run.

 

[203Pat]

The only concern there is the schedule gets a bit softer here on out. Lots of these games can go either way and then we have denver/nyg on the schedule too. I could easily see us finishing with 6 or 7 wins which would effectively be worst case scenario for this team in the long run.

The Commanders can score points and we can't so I don’t think we win Sunday. The Colts game is in Germany so I think that one is a toss up. The Giants game I think is our most likely next win. Bill has had the Chargers number as of late but there is a chance Staley is gone by then and Kellen Moore is the interim coach and actually lets Justin Herbert play football. The Steelers game is winnable but it is in primetime on the road so I would think we probably lose. The Chiefs game is likely a loss. By the time the Broncos game rolls around on Christmas Eve both teams may be so checked out it is a rock fight to see who can get home first. Bills probably mop us up for revenge then the only game I actively want us to win is the finale against the Jets. I think out of the remaining 9 games we get 2 more wins which I think leaves us with around the 4-6th pick.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The Commanders can score points and we can't so I don’t think we win Sunday. The Colts game is in Germany so I think that one is a toss up. The Giants game I think is our most likely next win. Bill has had the Chargers number as of late but there is a chance Staley is gone by then and Kellen Moore is the interim coach and actually lets Justin Herbert play football. The Steelers game is winnable but it is in primetime on the road so I would think we probably lose. The Chiefs game is likely a loss. By the time the Broncos game rolls around on Christmas Eve both teams may be so checked out it is a rock fight to see who can get home first. Bills probably mop us up for revenge then the only game I actively want us to win is the finale against the Jets. I think out of the remaining 9 games we get 2 more wins which I think leaves us with around the 4-6th pick.

I agree they are all very losable games but so was the buffalo and jets games. Alot of these teams left arent as hard as those. I just think if they were able to muster up 2 wins during the tougher half they are likely to pull out maybe 4 during the easier half. Bourne’s injury could change that, but id still lean towards 6 wins overall.

Hopefully they trade away a few guys today to help the ‘personnel tank’ portion of it, that would certainly help the chances of a top 5 pick.

 

[The Gr8est]

This guy is amazing. Fast, elusive, rocket arm, throws from many different angles. He is Mahomes on steroids. Maybe a bit smaller than Mahomes.
Will give NFL defenses fits.
For those who want to see Pats in a super bowl again in the next decade..this guy is the answer.
TANK TANK TANK..dream big.
There is no good that will come out of winning any more games this season.

Covert tanking involves selling off capable players by tomorrow...Uche, Mac, Henry, Duggar, JuJu and playing Jags in their place.
Your new starting QB BAILEY ZAPPE with Malik Cunningham at backup. That gives us a real shot at franchise altering Caleb.

I do not want to hear that this is not BB's way. he got us into this mess

Great idea!

Let’s sell off all our useful players.

That way IF we draft the right QB, and it IS a crapshoot, he will be surrounded by nothing.

 

[Sicilian]

I took a quick look through recent draft history to try to see how often the first QB taken actually ends up being the best QB from his draft. I started with 2021 and worked backwards, as I think the last two drafts are too early to call:

2021: Trevor Lawrence - Definitely the best of the bunch so far, though we saw first hand how different it looked when the rest of the operation was a mess. He didn't fix anything by himself.

2020: Joe Burrow - I think he's been the best so far, but Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round is right there. Tua and Herbert have proven to be no slouches either.

2019: Kyler Murray - While he is technically the best of a bad lot, is anyone inspired by his tenure in Arizona so far?

2018: Baker Mayfield - Josh Allen at #7 and Lamar Jackson at #32 have been leagues better than him.

2017: Trubisky went #2. Mahomes went #10. Enough said.

2016: Jared Goff - Late bloomer, and outshined so far by Dak Prescott (though that's a bit of an abberation in the 4th round, and Goff is having a great year). I'd say he's the best of a ROUGH year for QBs.

2015: Winston and Mariota went 1 and 2, and it somehow went DOWNHILL from there. So they were the "best" but... ugh.

2014: Blake Bortles - Derek Carr went in the 2nd round and has been the best of that year by far.

The point here isn't that having a high pick isn't better in a vacuum, it's that intentionally tanking (which I don't believe many teams, if any, actually ever do) to get one guy specifically is as likely to get you a Bortles or Mayfield as it is a Burrow or Lawrence. I'd rather they keep trying to build winning habits, and let the pick fall where it may.

 

[Grogan14]

Caleb is a unique talent. So past history does not apply.
The guy will force defenses to defend the entire field.
I do not care about his height. He is 2 inches shorter than Mahomes but more elusive.
If you keep taking the same post Brady approach to team building, you will see the same results.
Take a chance for greatness

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Great idea!

Let’s sell off all our useful players.

That way IF we draft the right QB, and it IS a crapshoot, he will be surrounded by nothing.

This strategy worked well for Mac, too!

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I am not sure if Williams will come remotely close to living up to his hype, but using Manziel as an example of why he may not is not really valid. Manziel was a bust because he just didn't give a crap. He didn't study film at all. He didn't work to get better. He walked into the NFL thinking he would change how the game is played and expected everything to be handed to him.

He was also bi-polar and had addiction problems.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I took a quick look through recent draft history to try to see how often the first QB taken actually ends up being the best QB from his draft. I started with 2021 and worked backwards, as I think the last two drafts are too early to call:

2021: Trevor Lawrence - Definitely the best of the bunch so far, though we saw first hand how different it looked when the rest of the operation was a mess. He didn't fix anything by himself.

2020: Joe Burrow - I think he's been the best so far, but Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round is right there. Tua and Herbert have proven to be no slouches either.

2019: Kyler Murray - While he is technically the best of a bad lot, is anyone inspired by his tenure in Arizona so far?

2018: Baker Mayfield - Josh Allen at #7 and Lamar Jackson at #32 have been leagues better than him.

2017: Trubisky went #2. Mahomes went #10. Enough said.

2016: Jared Goff - Late bloomer, and outshined so far by Dak Prescott (though that's a bit of an abberation in the 4th round, and Goff is having a great year). I'd say he's the best of a ROUGH year for QBs.

2015: Winston and Mariota went 1 and 2, and it somehow went DOWNHILL from there. So they were the "best" but... ugh.

2014: Blake Bortles - Derek Carr went in the 2nd round and has been the best of that year by far.

The point here isn't that having a high pick isn't better in a vacuum, it's that intentionally tanking (which I don't believe many teams, if any, actually ever do) to get one guy specifically is as likely to get you a Bortles or Mayfield as it is a Burrow or Lawrence. I'd rather they keep trying to build winning habits, and let the pick fall where it may.

Thanks - nice research and points.

Every year there’s a CAN’T MISS quarterback prospect heading into his last college season. With the exception of Lawrence they rarely even get picked #1 six months later. Darnold was as overhyped as CaLeB.

 

[Grogan14]

Wha

Great idea!

Let’s sell off all our useful players.

That way IF we draft the right QB, and it IS a crapshoot, he will be surrounded by nothing.

What useful players?

 

[Joey007]

The game plan is simple:

You land a top 2 pick and are in position to obtain either Williams or Maye. You go sign Tee Higgins and resign Bourne for a Higgins Bourne Douglas WR group. (And the contractually obligated Parker as a tertiary option)

 

[VrabelJr]

Marvin Harrison Jr just to **** with his dad. Does Ty Law have a son we can draft too?

 

[VrabelJr]

I took a quick look through recent draft history to try to see how often the first QB taken actually ends up being the best QB from his draft. I started with 2021 and worked backwards, as I think the last two drafts are too early to call:

2021: Trevor Lawrence - Definitely the best of the bunch so far, though we saw first hand how different it looked when the rest of the operation was a mess. He didn't fix anything by himself.

2020: Joe Burrow - I think he's been the best so far, but Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round is right there. Tua and Herbert have proven to be no slouches either.

2019: Kyler Murray - While he is technically the best of a bad lot, is anyone inspired by his tenure in Arizona so far?

2018: Baker Mayfield - Josh Allen at #7 and Lamar Jackson at #32 have been leagues better than him.

2017: Trubisky went #2. Mahomes went #10. Enough said.

2016: Jared Goff - Late bloomer, and outshined so far by Dak Prescott (though that's a bit of an abberation in the 4th round, and Goff is having a great year). I'd say he's the best of a ROUGH year for QBs.

2015: Winston and Mariota went 1 and 2, and it somehow went DOWNHILL from there. So they were the "best" but... ugh.

2014: Blake Bortles - Derek Carr went in the 2nd round and has been the best of that year by far.

The point here isn't that having a high pick isn't better in a vacuum, it's that intentionally tanking (which I don't believe many teams, if any, actually ever do) to get one guy specifically is as likely to get you a Bortles or Mayfield as it is a Burrow or Lawrence. I'd rather they keep trying to build winning habits, and let the pick fall where it may.

This is why you go best player available. We don’t need to be desperate for a QB.

 

[Triumph]

More generally, QBs from any program that is so talent rich that they can deliver success to their QBs on a golden platter. Give be a QB who had to struggle for his success on a mediocre team against the elite programs.

Likewise, I'm souring on WRs who put up gaudy numbers against conferences where no one plays defense.

Also, how many NFL caliber DBs did the silver spoon QB actually face in his NCAA career?

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I agree they are all very losable games but so was the buffalo and jets games. Alot of these teams left arent as hard as those. I just think if they were able to muster up 2 wins during the tougher half they are likely to pull out maybe 4 during the easier half. Bourne’s injury could change that, but id still lean towards 6 wins overall.

Hopefully they trade away a few guys today to help the ‘personnel tank’ portion of it, that would certainly help the chances of a top 5 pick.

Has any team ever comeback from 2-6 to make the playoffs?

 

[Real fan 02]

This guy is amazing. Fast, elusive, rocket arm, throws from many different angles. He is Mahomes on steroids. Maybe a bit smaller than Mahomes.
Will give NFL defenses fits.
For those who want to see Pats in a super bowl again in the next decade..this guy is the answer.
TANK TANK TANK..dream big.
There is no good that will come out of winning any more games this season.

Covert tanking involves selling off capable players by tomorrow...Uche, Mac, Henry, Duggar, JuJu and playing Jags in their place.
Your new starting QB BAILEY ZAPPE with Malik Cunningham at backup. That gives us a real shot at franchise altering Caleb.

I do not want to hear that this is not BB's way. he got us into this mess

I like it! It's time.. we need to get with the modern NFL. Right now we are in the number 5 draft position. Will be able to even get him? But you know what this team will finds away to somehow conjure up the patriots spirits of old and win some games. Ultimately sacrificing the position. I don't think the teams going to pick up Mac's option.. just a hunch. He's making peanuts right now so they'll ride him until the end of contract. I'm already into 2024 offseason.. to me the remainder of the season is all about the young guys and thier development.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Has any team ever comeback from 2-6 to make the playoffs?

Jaxonville may have been 2-6 last year but im not positive.

I know detroit and pitt were 2-6 last year and barely missed out at 9-8.

We’re not as good as any of those teams were though.

 

[sb1]

Jaxonville may have been 2-6 last year but im not positive.

I know detroit and pitt were 2-6 last year and barely missed out at 9-8.

We’re not as good as any of those teams were though.

Flores Dolphins almost made it starting 1-7 and 8-1 the rest of the way.

 

[Thunderhead]

Go Commanders

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Flores Dolphins almost made it starting 1-7 and 8-1 the rest of the way.

If this team only loses 1 more game the rest of the way and goes 10-7, I will build a Mac Jones statue in my bedroom and worship it day in and day out