How Good Does Mac Have To Be To Get His Option Picked Up?

[Joker]

why would Houston move on from Watson? Wouldn't THEY have given him that contract instead of taking another chance in the draft? Look, some teams are run by people who just aren't that sophisticated in evaluating a player's REAL value. Cleveland saw Watson as an upgrade in a major way to Baker Mayfield. I disagree. Mayfield has warts but so does Watson.

 

[crawhammer]

Got it, so you like QBs who fall behind, lose most of the time but once on a while they are part of a comeback. We disagree.

Your argument sucks because Mac is 16-16, so he's not ahead, or winning late, or winning impressively. Mediocre quarterback with mediocre results against largely mediocre opponents. Have you seen the list of opponents and quarterbacks that Mac has "beaten"? It's a sad compilation.

 

[Wozzy]

Stats absolutely are meaningless. Next time a team wins a game because their stats were better look me up

How many wins has his paycheck and privilege votes given his team?
Are you arguing he is good because you like his stats and if he never wins that doesn’t matter?

Sure... dumb stats like points scored/allowed don't determine games... sounds legit.

Individual players don't win games, teams do... it's only simple thinkers like you who believe QB's have some magic power to win games on their own that don't manifest themselves in stats.

If Drew Brees teams from 2014-2016 had the #1 defense in the league rather than the 32nd ranked defense he would have won a ring every year.

 

[Wozzy]

How can you call a guy who played 20 years and won 9 playoff games (4 in 1 season 5 in the other 19) while losing 9, one of the most clutch QBs ever? By what yardstick?
If you think the job is to play well enough to lose a s blame someone else, I’m not sure what point there is having a discussion with you.

Look at the team around Brees, look at the team around Brady...

QB's don't play in a vacuum.... learn the game.

 

[crawhammer]

'1st round quarterback.' You truly ARE an idiot. And no, he did NOT draft the QBs in Cleveland. He inherited them. The same way he inherited Bledsoe.

Great comeback .

I didn't say BB drafted all of them, for Christ's sake, I gave you three options, next time I'll number them so you can possibly follow along better.

And yes, the 1st round quarterbacks is a legit take. Were they 1st rounders or not? This is BILL BELICHICK we're talking about, 6x SB champion, the GOAT, the Genius, Mr. Patriot Way, the "system" architect... WTF is his problem with 1st round quarterbacks? The supposed GOAT HC should be able to pry some talent and production out that collective pedigree. Instead, nothing, nada, zero, 0-10.

Gibbs won Super Bowls with Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Parcells won with Simms and Hostetler.

For Belichick, it's all about Brady until he proves otherwise. Brady won immediately away from BB. What excuses are you conjuring up for BB this season? I mean he removed HIS blunder in Patricia, brought O'Brien back, and he's got his 1st round quarterback entering his third season. He's been "rebuilding" this thing for 4 years now, it's time for results, not more excuses.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure... dumb stats like points scored/allowed don't determine games... sounds legit.

Individual players don't win games, teams do... it's only simple thinkers like you who believe QB's have some magic power to win games on their own that don't manifest themselves in stats.

If Drew Brees teams from 2014-2016 had the #1 defense in the league rather than the 32nd ranked defense he would have won a ring every year.

Points scored and allowed are exactly what determines games. Those are not the stats you were referring to.

Trans made up of individual players win games. Funny that you call me smile and totally misstate what I have said. Does that make you simple?
QBs have the biggest impact of any players. Mediocre QBs accumulate a lot of stats while losing. What separates QBs is how they okay when the game is on the line. The guy who throws for more yards because he plays from behind isn’t better than the guy who throws for fewer because he’s playing from ahead.

So you think Brees who won 1 championship in his life was better than Brady because he has better stats and Brady did nothing to make his team winners just contributed less than Brees.
Most people who understand football realize that offense and defense are complimentary.

 

[Ring 6]

Look at the team around Brees, look at the team around Brady...

QB's don't play in a vacuum.... learn the game.

If you don’t understand that Brady and the offense had a real impact on helping the defense and contributing to those numbers, well, you make bad arguments like you are doing.

 

[Ring 6]

Your argument sucks because Mac is 16-16, so he's not ahead, or winning late, or winning impressively. Mediocre quarterback with mediocre results against largely mediocre opponents. Have you seen the list of opponents and quarterbacks that Mac has "beaten"? It's a sad compilation.

He is 16-15. A QB starting from day 1 on a team coming off 7-9 going 16-15 in his first 2 years is far from mediocre. I’m sure you can show me a ton of examples right?
Go ahead. List all of the QBs who started week 1 as a rookie on a team that had a losing record that had a record of 16-15 or better in their first 31 games.
I’ll wait. Shouldn’t take you long to type the list.

 

[rochrist]

Great comeback .

I didn't say BB drafted all of them, for Christ's sake, I gave you three options, next time I'll number them so you can possibly follow along better.

And yes, the 1st round quarterbacks is a legit take. Were they 1st rounders or not? This is BILL BELICHICK we're talking about, 6x SB champion, the GOAT, the Genius, Mr. Patriot Way, the "system" architect... WTF is his problem with 1st round quarterbacks? The supposed GOAT HC should be able to pry some talent and production out that collective pedigree. Instead, nothing, nada, zero, 0-10.

Gibbs won Super Bowls with Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Parcells won with Simms and Hostetler.

For Belichick, it's all about Brady until he proves otherwise. Brady won immediately away from BB. What excuses are you conjuring up for BB this season? I mean he removed HIS blunder in Patricia, brought O'Brien back, and he's got his 1st round quarterback entering his third season. He's been "rebuilding" this thing for 4 years now, it's time for results, not more excuses.

Josh Rosen
Marty Domres
Jerry Tagge
John Reeves
Jack Thompson
Rich Campbell
Dave Wilson
Art Schlicter
Todd Blackledge
Chuck Long
Kelly Stouffer
Chris Miller
Steve Walsh
Jeff George
Andre Ware
Dan McGwire
Todd Marinovich
David Klingler
Heath Schuler
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
JP Losman
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
EJ Manuel
Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel


All first-round quarterbacks, all busts. Enough said.

 

[Wozzy]

Points scored and allowed are exactly what determines games. Those are not the stats you were referring to.

I mentioned TD’s, exceptional QB play also leads to points… a lot more than poor QB play…. unless you’re being willfully ignorant.

Trans made up of individual players win games. Funny that you call me smile and totally misstate what I have said. Does that make you simple?

Don’t argue against being simple when nobody mentioned trans people or your smile. This is butchered English… I hope, otherwise I have no clue what you’re talking about.

QBs have the biggest impact of any players. Mediocre QBs accumulate a lot of stats while losing. What separates QBs is how they okay when the game is on the line. The guy who throws for more yards because he plays from behind isn’t better than the guy who throws for fewer because he’s playing from ahead.

Brees was the best QB in the league… but your “QB’s impact” argument only works when the team is winning, when they lose stats are meaningless. Dumb…

So you think Brees who won 1 championship in his life was better than Brady because he has better stats and Brady did nothing to make his team winners just contributed less than Brees.
Most people who understand football realize that offense and defense are complimentary.

Nowhere did I say Brees was better than Brady… these are the kind of delusions fanboys like you have. I state “QB’s as a whole are overrated” and you see “Brady hate” where there is none. Simple minded… like I said.

Brees was one of the best QB’s of his generation, Rogers also… they won a single ring. Foles, Flacco were not one of the best and won a ring, Eli wasn’t and he won two. Proving that teams win rings, not lone magical QB’s.

That Brady graphic I posted above is an uncomfortable truth for QB fanboys, he had the best teams around him on average compared to his peers… the best of the best at the QB position. That’s why he has 7 rings and his peers don’t.

 

[Wozzy]

If you don’t understand that Brady and the offense had a real impact on helping the defense and contributing to those numbers, well, you make bad arguments like you are doing.

No QB can turn a bad defense good, that you think so reinforces the simple fanboy stereotype. It’s delusion.

Brady had better teams and defenses around him than his peers. That’s evident in a simple stat… points. The stat you say above I wasn’t talking about.

Facts suck for you… that’s why you insist they don’t matter.

 

[crawhammer]

He is 16-15.

16-16... postseason counts.

A QB starting from day 1 on a team coming off 7-9 going 16-15 in his first 2 years is far from mediocre.

Mac is mediocre. 16-16 is not very good. The team lost 9 games with Cam and Hoyer in 2020. They lost 8 with Mac in 2021. Big improvement (especially considering all of the $ Belichick spent on the roster in the offseason). Mac was bad last season by some important metrics... 29th in TD%... 23rd in INT%... 26th in passer rating. He's got 1 win against a playoff team since week 13 of 2021 (which was the wind storm game)... that 1 win was in Foxboro against Miami who had the duo of Bridgewater and Thompson at quarterback. That loss by Miami was also their 5th in a row. Mac is the epitome of mediocre. His next good win will be his first in well over a year.

 

[Ring 6]

I mentioned TD’s, exceptional QB play also leads to points… a lot more than poor QB play…. unless you’re being willfully ignorant.

Don’t argue against being simple when nobody mentioned trans people or your smile. This is butchered English… I hope, otherwise I have no clue what you’re talking about.

Brees was the best QB in the league… but your QB’s impact argument only works when the team is winning. Dumb…

Nowhere did I say Brees was better than Brady… these are the kind of delusions fanboys like you have. I state “QB’s as a whole are overrated” and you see “Brady hate” where there is none. Simple.

Brees was one of the best QB’s of his generation, Rogers also… they won a single ring. Foles, Flacco were not one of the best and won a ring, Eli wasn’t and he won two. Proving that teams win rings, not lone magical QB’s.

That Brady graphic I posted above is an uncomfortable truth for QB fanboys, he had the best teams around him on average compared to his peers… the best of the best at the QB position. That’s why he has 7 rings and his peers don’t.

You did not mention TDs at all.

Seriously you couldn’t figure out trans was iPhone autocorrect of teams. I guess you don’t understand context.

Brees was not the best qb in the NFL.

You says with a good defense Brees wins the SB every year. That implies he’s better than Brady who actually won them.

What is the point of the game? I am arguing it is to win. You are arguing it is to have the best stats. You will never win that argument.

 

[Ring 6]

16-16... postseason counts.


Mac is mediocre. 16-16 is not very good. The team lost 9 games with Cam and Hoyer in 2020. They lost 8 with Mac in 2021. Big improvement (especially considering all of the $ Belichick spent on the roster in the offseason). Mac was bad last season by some important metrics... 29th in TD%... 23rd in INT%... 26th in passer rating. He's got 1 win against a playoff team since week 13 of 2021 (which was the wind storm game)... that 1 win was in Foxboro against Miami who had the duo of Bridgewater and Thompson at quarterback. That loss by Miami was also their 5th in a row. Mac is the epitome of mediocre. His next good win will be his first in well over a year.

So you can’t name a single QB who started as a rookie and did better? Very telling. Explains why you deflect with bluster.
If 16-15 is mediocre what is the guy you were pumping a few posts ago who was 9-22?

 

[crawhammer]

Josh Rosen
Marty Domres
Jerry Tagge
John Reeves
Jack Thompson
Rich Campbell
Dave Wilson
Art Schlicter
Todd Blackledge
Chuck Long
Kelly Stouffer
Chris Miller
Steve Walsh
Jeff George
Andre Ware
Dan McGwire
Todd Marinovich
David Klingler
Heath Schuler
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
JP Losman
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
EJ Manuel
Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel

All first-round quarterbacks, all busts. Enough said.

This list serves what purpose? I totally agree with with you on one hand though, Belichick ain't winning **** with any of those quarterbacks. He couldn't even win for an entire decade with Brady playing some of his best ball. So if he can manage to squander an entire decade with the GOAT QB in his prime then he's certainly not winning with any of that rubbish. Gibbs probably could have made it work with a few of them. And Parcells, maybe one or two.

 

[Wozzy]

Drew Brees led the entire NFL in passing yards in 2016, he was 3rd in TD's. The Saint's offense was ranked #2 in the entire NFL in scoring.

@Ring 6 here’s me not mentioning TD’s and scoring in response to you… it didn’t happen.

 

[Wozzy]

You did not mention TDs at all.

Seriously you couldn’t figure out trans was iPhone autocorrect of teams. I guess you don’t understand context.

Brees was not the best qb in the NFL.

You says with a good defense Brees wins the SB every year. That implies he’s better than Brady who actually won them.

What is the point of the game? I am arguing it is to win. You are arguing it is to have the best stats. You will never win that argument.

Brady had the 8th best defense in 2014 when he won (points per drive allowed), they ranked 2nd best in 2016, 7th best in 2018… almost every one of these defenses played better in the playoffs.

That you want us and the football watching world to believe defense doesn’t matter or Brees should have won with the 32nd ranked defense using unquantifiable QB magic only reaffirms what a delusional person you are.

 

[crawhammer]

So you can’t name a single QB who started as a rookie and did better? Very telling. Explains why you deflect with bluster.
If 16-15 is mediocre what is the guy you were pumping a few posts ago who was 9-22?

I'm not "pumping" DJ, you said he sucked, when in reality, in consideration of his entire game, he's better than Mac. 2023 again, DJ will have a better season than MJ.

What pointless information are you asking me for? Rookie QBs who did better?... Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, RGIII, Luck, Dak, Cam, Big Ben... that's a few anyway.

The point is Mac is mediocre. I don't think he's getting much better either (unless they add someone like Hopkins). And he certainly hasn't shown any it factor whatsoever.

 

[RodThePat]

We're really measuring defensive performance by points per game? What is this, 2008?

 

[Joker]

the sub-moronic crawmoron has morphed from "all Lamar all the time!!!" to "Mac sucks and Belichick can't coach!!!"....he is a goddamned troll azzole who is NEVER going to change his pathetic putrid act.