NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION 2022 NFL Playoff Monday - Wild Card Round - Cow Patties vs the Avocados

[Grogan14]

The Giants, the Jags... these teams look drastically different with better coaching.

The Patriots, the Bucs... they look drastically different with worse coaching.

Bill is the architect and CEO of the patriots coaching.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Sounds like some of the Brady fans on this board...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Tom Brady slammed over ‘dirty play’ in Buccaneers’ wild-card loss to Cowboys

Monday may be a night Tom Brady wants to forget, but the internet certainly won’t anytime soon.

nypost.com

Of course the main stream media and the Tommyites on this forum will ignore this...

Where was your outrage when he was a Patriot?

 

[carmelo15]

As others have pointed out... what the hell was this play call and route combination? Leftwich is an abomination. Watch Evans and Gage, bottom of the screen. The INT wasn't great, but how the hell do you get to the goal line, chance to tie the game, and this is what you choose to call?

Lmao the **** was that

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Lmao the **** was that

Matt Patricia seen jotting notes….

 

[crawhammer]

You implied BB was "less than" because of the Patricia snafu.

Seems you have a double standard about who has to be prefect and who is allowed to make mistakes.

So one INT is equivalent to Belichick hiring his unqualified buddies (Patricia and Judge so it's a double whammy) to design a new offense and call the plays for his second year franchise quarterback? I'd say one mistake is far more consequential than the other. It's like if you wanted to blame Brady for getting strip sacked in SB 52 after throwing for 500 yards while Belichick benched a player for the entire game who took nearly 100% of the snaps for the entire season. No double standard. No expectation of perfection either. I'm just being reasonable.

 

[crawhammer]

Bucs With Arians:
11-5 Super Bowl
13-4 Lost divisional round due to Bowles screw up

Bucs Without Arians:
8-9 in the weakest division and conference in football and get dusted in round one.

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Brady the GM and the argument that QB's = instant success gets knocked down a peg.

Somewhere Bruce is laughing his azz off.

It's pretty cool that you hold Brady to his optimum level at age 45. You're pretty fair .

The "instant success" was achieved in 2020. You can't erase that.

And if you think Arians being moved up to the front office contributed entirely to the Bucs decline this season then again you weren't paying attention. Also, I'm pretty sure Arians isn't laughing about his handpicked replacement Bowles making a complete fool of himself.

 

[crawhammer]

Listening to fans reduce a sport with 63 man rosters, a horde of coaches, trainers and scouts down to "QB's are magical unicorns" argument is like listening to a child speak about Santa Claus.

It's called hyperbole. You resort to it often when you're faced with a strong argument. Which is a copout.

What's so hard for you to understand that out of the 63-man roster, hordes of coaches, trainers and scouts, the quarterback is generally the most important piece. No one is discounting the value of all of those other people, it's just a matter of assigning importance. Josh Allen is more important than the OC, the assistant strength and conditioning coach, the 6th WR on the depth chart, and everyone else in between. Allen doesn't negate anyone's importance, he's just singularly more important than anyone else.

 

[crawhammer]

Yeah, he lost his talent.

It wasn't that the team philosophy changed when the head coach was unceremoniously fired.

Yes, he lost his running talent because he showed up 30 pounds over weight and completely out of shape. He wasn't helped either by the predictable first down runs into a wall of waiting defenders. But Fournette sabotaged his season by not taking care of himself in the offseason.

 

[crawhammer]

I actually hope Brady retires. I admit I have only watched about four or five of his games this year, but every time I watched him he seems to be in clear decline He still is an above average QB, but he is nowhere close to what he was. He plays awful at times and elite others which is the characteristics of a player who age is catching up to him.

My fear is that he will be like many other QBs that the year after they show significant decline that they totally hit the age wall hard. I really don't want him to be like Marino was his final two years or even Manning his last year (yes the Broncos won the Super Bowl, but despite of him).

I think Brady probably feels as though he faced too many obstacles this season in Tampa Bay... bad coaching, injuries, aging WRs, no running game at all. For most of the season he's look fine or better. His first half yesterday unfortunately was the worst he looked all season. He played much better in the second half while mostly running the no huddle which has been the case all season. The pass rush was relentless throughout the game too, even when he was moving the ball, so that's going to effect any quarterback.

It looks like Brady's all done with Tampa Bay. I think his best and most available option for 2023 will be with the Las Vegas Raiders. Brady reuniting with McDaniels, Gronk unretires to join Waller in the best TE duo since Gronk and Hernandez, there's an elite WR1 in Adams, and a Welker-Edelman clone in Renfro. It might be LVR or retirement. I really don't see any other realistic options that Brady will consider worth it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Bucs Without Arians:
8-9 in the weakest division and conference in football and get dusted in round one.

Correction...Brady is 8-10 as a Buc without Arians

 

[Rob0729]

I think Brady probably feels as though he faced too many obstacles this season in Tampa Bay... bad coaching, injuries, aging WRs, no running game at all. For most of the season he's look fine or better. His first half yesterday unfortunately was the worst he looked all season. He played much better in the second half while mostly running the no huddle which has been the case all season. The pass rush was relentless throughout the game too, even when he was moving the ball, so that's going to effect any quarterback.

It looks like Brady's all done with Tampa Bay. I think his best and most available option for 2023 will be with the Las Vegas Raiders. Brady reuniting with McDaniels, Gronk unretires to join Waller in the best TE duo since Gronk and Hernandez, there's an elite WR1 in Adams, and a Welker-Edelman clone in Renfro. It might be LVR or retirement. I really don't see any other realistic options that Brady will consider worth it.

Not to single you out, but I think funny that the same people who will not give Mac Jones the slightest benefit of the doubt for having horrible coaching, bad offensive line, a lot of injuries, no true #1 WR, etc. make similar excuses for Tom Brady.

Why is it so hard to accept that Brady is 45 years old and he finally starting to lose the battle with Father Time? Last night, nothing you said that was working against him was the reason when he tried to throw the ball out of the back of the end zone, it went right in a defender's hands. Again, I have only watched 4-5 games and in those games, he has shown a clear deterioration of the accuracy of his passes on a lot of plays. And if you take away the Carolina game, there is a clear decline in his play over the course of the season which is another sign of age.

Brady of five years ago would have overcome all the things you listed and played well.

And he looked better in the second half in large part because it was garbage time. The score was already 24-0 when he had his first TD drive. It was 31-6 in the fourth quarter when he had his second and last TD drive.

People want to talk about how horrible of a OC Leftwich is, but Jameis Freakin Winston had 5109 passing yards and 33 TD with Leftwich calling plays. Winston is a turnover machine. So he also had 30 INTs.

 

[oldrover]

I think it's funny that the same people who will not give Mac Jones the slightest benefit of the doubt for having horrible coaching, bad offensive line, a lot of injuries, no true #1 WR, etc. make similar excuses for Tom Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Not to single you out, but I think funny that the same people who will not give Mac Jones the slightest benefit of the doubt for having horrible coaching, bad offensive line, a lot of injuries, no true #1 WR, etc. make similar excuses for Tom Brady.

Why is it so hard to accept that Brady is 45 years old and he finally starting to lose the battle with Father Time? Last night, nothing you said that was working against him was the reason when he tried to throw the ball out of the back of the end zone, it went right in a defender's hands. Again, I have only watched 4-5 games and in those games, he has shown a clear deterioration of the accuracy of his passes on a lot of plays. And if you take away the Carolina game, there is a clear decline in his play over the course of the season which is another sign of age.

Brady of five years ago would have overcome all the things you listed and played well.

And he looked better in the second half in large part because it was garbage time. The score was already 24-0 when he had his first TD drive. It was 31-6 in the fourth quarter when he had his second and last TD drive.

People want to talk about how horrible of a OC Leftwich is, but Jameis Freakin Winston had 5109 passing yards and 33 TD with Leftwich calling plays. Winston is a turnover machine. So he also had 30 INTs.

Yes, and the people who keep saying Brady looked "good" this year when the Bucs went no huddle fail to grasp that this usually happened when the Bucs were behind and other teams went into prevent mode and traded yards for time. Troy Aikman said it last night on the broadcast when Dallas was playing a soft shell.

 

[Bill Lee]

Fournette Gronk and AB came because of Brady though.

"Brady the GM" gets credit for Lenny, Gronk and AB coming, but never seems to get the blame for all the other things he could have had impact on if he really was as influential as some like to make him out to be. Was it really a surprise to anyone that AB flipped out? Was it really a surprise that Lenny only had a few good months in him? Did Brady push to get a better replacement? If he wasn't responsible for Arians being kicked upstairs, it's sure as heck clear he didn't protest it, or insist they find a better leader than Blowes. He watched as Marpet retired and no replacement was found. He could never find a way to get on the same page as Mike Evans, the exact kind of WR many begged the Pats to draft. He spent his free time trying to get hired by Miami, and took long vacations away from Tampa during training camp. Is he just there to get the credit for when things go well and to let others get blamed when they don't?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Dak really showed up last night, as bad as the bucs defense was you can’t take that performance away. Hoping they can give sf a game, actually kinda looking like all 4 matchups have potential to be pretty good!

 

[Steve102]

"Brady the GM" gets credit for Lenny, Gronk and AB coming, but never seems to get the blame for all the other things he could have had impact on if he really was as influential as some like to make him out to be. Was it really a surprise to anyone that AB flipped out? Was it really a surprise that Lenny only had a few good months in him? Did Brady push to get a better replacement? If he wasn't responsible for Arians being kicked upstairs, it's sure as heck clear he didn't protest it, or insist they find a better leader than Blowes. He watched as Marpet retired and no replacement was found. He could never find a way to get on the same page as Mike Evans, the exact kind of WR many begged the Pats to draft. He spent his free time trying to get hired by Miami, and took long vacations away from Tampa during training camp. Is he just there to get the credit for when things go well and to let others get blamed when they don't?

My guess is he's realized that team building isn't as easy as going and getting the brand name player he wants or needs.

 

[venecol]

Another example: NYG not just in the playoffs but beating the Vikings and their "elite talent".

Wonder where Daboll got his coaching chops from?

You do realize that in every game there can only be one winner, correct? You realize that upsets happen, correct? That it was a one score game. This season had a large number of upsets. Are the Bears better coached than the Patriots because they beat us? Nonsense.

 

[PatsFan2]

I actually hope Brady retires. I admit I have only watched about four or five of his games this year, but every time I watched him he seems to be in clear decline He still is an above average QB, but he is nowhere close to what he was. He plays awful at times and elite others which is the characteristics of a player who age is catching up to him.

My fear is that he will be like many other QBs that the year after they show significant decline that they totally hit the age wall hard. I really don't want him to be like Marino was his final two years or even Manning his last year (yes the Broncos won the Super Bowl, but despite of him).

I don't think Brady is done too many things went wrong with that Bucs Team. I can see him going to the Raiders or Miami both Teams have legit weapons all over and would make his life easy one last run.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Yes, and the people who keep saying Brady looked "good" this year when the Bucs went no huddle fail to grasp that this usually happened when the Bucs were behind and other teams went into prevent mode and traded yards for time. Troy Aikman said it last night on the broadcast when Dallas was playing a soft shell.

Jesus lighten up Mac10. You got your wish...Finally. Brady at 45 wasn't as good as before., not that you've ever given him any credit for anything in the past anyway. Congratulations! Wax poetic for another hundred posts. You got nothing else going on obviously.