By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[borg]

*Ding* *ding* that's Mac's problem this year: there should be four possible receivers on every play but Mac is determined to go to his predetermined First Read with his Binky WR out.

Mac is/was on a pace for 12 passing TDs / 30 INTs this season

Note: Mac's pace is 21 TDs below Jameis Winston's 33 TD / 30 INT 2019 season - his last in Tampa
Note 2.0: In Mac's final 5 games of 2021....6 INTs (1 W-4 L)

 

[yukon cornelius]

Xs and Os are just that.....Xs and Os......if you can design a defense to attack an NFL offense, then you can design an offense to attack on NFL defense........was at a clinic with Rob Ryan many years ago, and he made this exact point, you can't coach one side without a vast understanding of the other side

there IS an art to play calling, I had issues at times with McDs in game calls......at times he seemed predictable and conservative, but I think they also consistently played the long game, and that showed

having an "OC who is an OC" isn't the issue imho.......players are being put in position, they just aren't making plays......some of that is youth, some of that is inexperience, I think a large part of that is a new system with new coordinators and new personnel and a very limited pre-season - with the current NFL rules, you just can't get the number of live, real time reps you once could, and these things have to be adjusted on the fly, it's akin to building an airplane while flying it.......overall, I think the offense is much improved over two weeks ago, injuries aside

some of it is just plain being snake bitten......we're looking at a 3 game sample, hopefully over a 17 game season, these mistakes will be cleaned up, and you'll see a bit more of opponents putting the ball to the floor, taking bad penalties, etc as things even out over time.......I don't like some of the crucial errors I've seen, but I'm not ready to proclaim it a season-long trend, either

the sky isn't falling, it's just a little overcast

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Some of you seem so intent on being right about Mac being bad. It's like a coping mechanism. You are absolved of any trash-talking from other fanbases because you yourself never believed in Mac. That's what I think it's mostly about. You're afraid to have any modicum of faith in the rebuild and the first-round-pick QB because if you're wrong now you have to hear about it from everyone else.

Just enjoy the ride, hope for the best, and understand there is still a lot of football in this kid's career. It takes time. And if it doesn't work out, so what? We'll start all over again and we can go back to hoping that the next guy is the one. Welcome to being the average NFL fan. Stop spreading your misery around to the rest of us like a parasite.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mac is/was on a pace for 12 passing TDs / 30 INTs this season

Note: Mac's pace is 21 TDs below Jameis Winston's 33 TD / 30 INT 2019 season - his last in Tampa
Note 2.0: In Mac's final 5 games of 2021....6 INTs (1 W-4 L)

Definitely trending down there a continuation?? Hmmmm.

 

[upstater1]

Brian Flores was better and the team defensively played better when B. Flores was the D.C. just saying....

Based on what?

I mean, I just quoted you what they did when they were #1 under Patricia.

What do you have to show differently?

 

[upstater1]

This "angst" you speak of is not a result of just yesterday's game. This angst has gone on all year with BBs off season moves. The one thing the Ravens did that it seems the patriots have gotten away from is. The minute they drafted Lamar Jackson they tailored the offense around him. Miami got receivers for Tua. The Jags got a QB coach to run the team for Lawrence. The patriots as of right now have not put the team nor Mac in a good position. That's the true reason for the angst. And many have felt this way, waaaaay before this game.

Wait, you think this just started this summer?

This is what it was like last year and the year before.

I mean, we have a whole other BOARD that is now dedicated to this discussion because it was mucking up the main board.

Last year the problem was McDaniels.

So, you're saying you would be satisfied with a Harbaugh 6 bad to middling years out of 9, 2 playoff wins, if only we had Lamar Jackson?

Let me tell you--they traded away Lamar's top WR and they play small ball, and they haven't even signed Lamar.

So... we were impressed by their continuity yesterday, they are indeed well coached, but the results aren't there

 

[upstater1]

Making my point. Even if Parker ran the wrong route. Mac never went through his reads like he would of last year. Like what was one of the reasons why they drafted him. And seems to be not what this new offense is about..

When exactly do we look for Hunter Henry, Mac and him had a good thing going on last season especially in the endzone...now it's throwing 50/50 balls to Parker because it's Patricia guy and what the offense so far ask for..

You want him to go through his reads on a corner fade to Parker?

 

[PatsFan2]

You want him to go through his reads on a corner fade to Parker?

Safeties reads the QB's eyes Mac needs to learn to look em off even slightly he's telegraphing some plays easy read Defense!

 

[upstater1]

Safeties reads the QB's eyes Mac needs to learn to look em off even slightly he's telegraphing some plays easy read Defense!

But that's irrelevant to this discussion

 

[jdlboot14]

What we don't know is who is deciding the playing time for Bourne. If BB wanted Bourne to play because he's better than Humphrey BB could override Matty's petty grudge. The whole thing is so retro back to the Parcellian way.

 

[Pacific Coast Patriot]

The offense scored 7 in week 1, doubled it in week 2 with 17 and then nearly doubled that again in week 3, but for turnovers.

They were on an upward trajectory, backbreaking INTs aside which you can’t really blame coaches for. Mac himself would acknowledge he is responsible.

Not sure I’m convinced Macs the guy, but it’s hard to really pinpoint blame to one coach/player at this point. They just collectively need time to improve.

 

[PatsFan2]

What we don't know is who is deciding the playing time for Bourne. If BB wanted Bourne to play because he's better than Humphrey BB could override Matty's petty grudge. The whole thing is so retro back to the Parcellian way.

Don't get me started on that which is inexcusable. Being that stubborn will land you Top 7 Pick though.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Based on what?

I mean, I just quoted you what they did when they were #1 under Patricia.

What do you have to show differently?

Base on what?

I don't know the seasons Brian Flores coached the defense compare to when Matty P did..

I dont have the stats in front of me but I am sure they are not hard to find..

I have heard players say Matty Ps defensive at times could be too complicated when it didn't have to be...

They blitz more when they were coached by B.Flores then they did under Matt. P.

I am sure you will not take any of this as counter points so when I have a min. I will look for B.Flores defensive stats with the Patriots compare to Matt P



And just to add, B.Flores Miami dolphins fare better with him coaching than Matt P. fared with the lions

 

[yukon cornelius]

You want him to go through his reads on a corner fade to Parker?

with an unblocked pass rushed if i remember correctly?

 

[upstater1]

Base on what?

I don't know the seasons Brian Flores coached the defense compare to when Matty P did..

I dont have the stats in front of me but I am sure they are not hard to find..

I have heard players say Matty Ps defensive at times could be too complicated when it didn't have to be...

They blitz more when they were coached by B.Flores then they did under Matt. P.

I am sure you will not take any of this as counter points so when I have a min. I will look for B.Flores defensive stats with the Patriots compare to Matt P



And just to add, B.Flores Miami dolphins fare better with him coaching than Matt P. fared with the lions

At the end, you're basing it on Flores being a better HC than Matty P. I'd buy that. But it doesn't tell me much.

The post I responded to said he was a bad DC.

I gave a whole bunch of stats that showed he was an excellent DC.

This Patricia hate is crazy when it rolls back to his time as a DC, because that D was #1, it shut down historical offenses, it won Super Bowls.

The idea that anyone would characterize that as bad is insane

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Wait, you think this just started this summer?

This is what it was like last year and the year before.

I mean, we have a whole other BOARD that is now dedicated to this discussion because it was mucking up the main board.

Last year the problem was McDaniels.

So, you're saying you would be satisfied with a Harbaugh 6 bad to middling years out of 9, 2 playoff wins, if only we had Lamar Jackson?

Let me tell you--they traded away Lamar's top WR and they play small ball, and they haven't even signed Lamar.

So... we were impressed by their continuity yesterday, they are indeed well coached, but the results aren't there

I wasn't here that much last year plus it seems if that's the case then the "angst" you were describing is more than just from yesterday's game.

Which fans are fans everywhere. You can go to just about any NFL board and you will see the same type of thing.

I think i clearly stated my point about what the ravens and other teams did compare to the Patriots.

My problem is not with the philosophy change..that was going to happen. Can't stay on top forever.

My problem is the change without the proper tools/coaches/players in place to support the change...

You honestly think this team the way its constructed now is going to the playoffs this year or even next year?

I mean that "middling" ravens team has two playoffs wins. BB since the switch from Brady has none.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

At the end, you're basing it on Flores being a better HC than Matty P. I'd buy that. But it doesn't tell me much.

The post I responded to said he was a bad DC.

I gave a whole bunch of stats that showed he was an excellent DC.

This Patricia hate is crazy when it rolls back to his time as a DC, because that D was #1, it shut down historical offenses, it won Super Bowls.

The idea that anyone would characterize that as bad is insane

That last part was not the base of my argument I think I said as much,
. And my original point was I think b.flores was a better DC than Matt P.

That wasn't to say he wasn't a good DC while he was here. But we can do better than Matt P. Calling plays in my opinion.

Again he wasn't horrible you can definitely do alot worse than him on the DC side of things, but after his disaster in Detroit and the reaction from players and people in Detroit after he left for me personally makes me second guess him calling anything for me.


Again he didn't do too bad as DC here..but he also knows nothing about being an OC. especially for a young QB

 

[Ian]

Found an interesting bit when looking at the numbers on the piece I just posted a bit ago:

"Staying with the playcalling, the numbers from last season to this point are somewhat telling. Through three games in 2021, the Patriots had five receivers with 10 or more receptions.

So far this season, that total is just two (Jakobi Meyers – 13, Nelson Agholor, 11). That essentially tells you a lot of what you need to know in terms of where the targets are going.

DeVante Parker sticks out like a sore thumb on the stat sheet. Jones has targeted him 14 times, which ties for second on the team with Agholor who also has 14, yet they’ve connected on just six throws and he’s been picked off four times.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Again, while Parker showed on Sunday that he can have his moments if they pick their spots, forcing the ball his way clearly doesn’t work if he’s not open and it needs to end. You can blame Jones for pulling the trigger, but we saw enough out him last season to realize he’s smarter than he’s been and there seemingly has to be some pressure from the coaches to make the throw rather than make a different decision.

And why we’re not seeing other players more involved is a little mind-boggling. To provide a little perspective, through three games in 2021, both Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith each had 10 receptions. The two are each below that total to this point, with Henry’s total being the most surprising. Smith’s receptions did jump on Sunday after he hauled in a perfect 4-of-4 for 25-yards and he currently sits with 7. But Henry has just 3 receptions on only 5 targets and so far he hasn’t been utilized quite as well compared to last season.

Why that is, it’s hard to say. He and Jones are neighbors and they’ve admitted in the past they spend a fair amount of time off the field working on things. So this is clearly either an internal decision, or a frustrating oversight."

 

[Triumph]

Definitely trending down there a continuation?? Hmmmm.

01 CAM = MAC 10

 

[Thelonious]

Patricia is just plain awful. Belichick is a fool if he keeps him around except as a purely decorative, pathologically fat, lawn ornament.