OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[Tunescribe]

I often wonder that if BB had drafted Drew Henson -- widely known at the time to be the superior athletic prospect -- and when Bill developed Drew into the GOAT, whether folks would be arguing now that it was Drew who made Bill, even though we know for a fact that Drew was nothing without Bill.

In that scenario, Brady would probably ended up as a journeyman major league catcher, batting .212 lifetime. I doubt he could have married Bridget, let alone divorced her for Giselle. He might still have been successful selling herbal remedies, hair plugs and cryptocurrency though.

People underestimate how fundamental BB's tutoring was to Tom's development. His competitive drive from that perpetual chip on his shoulder and next-level physical discipline made the most of it.

 

[Guts]

People underestimate how fundamental BB's tutoring was to Tom's development. His competitive drive from that perpetual chip on his shoulder and next-level physical discipline made the most of it.

 

[borisman]

Ho-Ly crap!

 

[RobertWeathers]

I often wonder that if BB had drafted Drew Henson -- widely known at the time to be the superior athletic prospect -- and when Bill developed Drew into the GOAT, whether folks would be arguing now that it was Drew who made Bill, even though we know for a fact that Drew was nothing without Bill.

In that scenario, Brady would probably ended up as a journeyman major league catcher, batting .212 lifetime. I doubt he could have married Bridget, let alone divorced her for Giselle. He might still have been successful selling herbal remedies, hair plugs and cryptocurrency though.

Before he came here, Tom had the talent, brains and drive to succeed. It was all underdeveloped.

Bill had the coaching, knowledge, system and program to maximize Tom's potential.

If Tom went to another NFL team which was coached by say, Steve Spurrier, he'd languish.

If he went to a team coached and run by Mike Holmgren he would have had a better opportunity to be successful

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

The penalty for tampering in ANY sport should include not being able to sign or trade for the player in question for 3 years.

It is hard to blame TB12 too much in this situation. He was justifiably pissed that the Pats and BB did not offer him a lengthy extension, where he finally would get what he deserved. That was BB and Kraft's decision and TB12 was justifiably pissed.
He almost certainly knew he wanted out of NE after the 2019 season and he probbaly knew that Giselle wanted him to play in Florida. Brady almost certainly gave it his all physically in 2019, but can anyone blame him if in the back of his mind he was thinking...."After 2019-2020...I will leave as an UFA and stick it to BB and Kraft for not showing me the love with an extension" After 6 super bowls......he did not get what he deserved from the Pats...and any of us would be super angry and bitter about that.
I believe I read that he put his house in Brookline up for sale the first day after his first conversation with the Dolphins. I do not think this is a coincidence.

He almost certainly knew it was against the rules to have any type of discussion with the rep from the Dolphins.....but maybe he was so pissed he just did not care. Knowing that he would be leaving after the season (Thanks to BB not having plan to extend him)....who can blame him for going through the season with a bad attitude toward the organization and having to hide it as best he could? He felt under appreciated after everything he had given the organization.

Was it improper and close to against the rules for him to be having those discussions with the dolphins...yes...and he probbaly knew it was either approaching the line or crossing the line...BUT he was pushed to that point by BB's stubborn refusal to extend Brady and pay him.

So I give Brady a pass...and blame Ross for blatant disregard of the rules and BB for stubborness and pushing the GOAT out the door.
TB12 we will always love you in NE. Please come back and resign at a retirement ceremony at Gillette. Take your rightful place on the Mount Rushmore of Boston Sorts with Bill, Bobby, Larry and Ted

 

[catent]

The penalty for tampering in ANY sport should include not being able to sign or trade for the player in question for 3 years.

It is hard to blame TB12 too much in this situation. He was justifiably pissed that the Pats and BB did not offer him a lengthy extension, where he finally would get what he deserved. That was BB and Kraft's decision and TB12 was justifiably pissed.
He almost certainly knew he wanted out of NE after the 2019 season and he probbaly knew that Giselle wanted him to play in Florida. Brady almost certainly gave it his all physically in 2019, but can anyone blame him if in the back of his mind he was thinking...."After 2019-2020...I will leave as an UFA and stick it to BB and Kraft for not showing me the love with an extension" After 6 super bowls......he did not get what he deserved from the Pats...and any of us would be super angry and bitter about that.
I believe I read that he put his house in Brookline up for sale the first day after his first conversation with the Dolphins. I do not think this is a coincidence.

He almost certainly knew it was against the rules to have any type of discussion with the rep from the Dolphins.....but maybe he was so pissed he just did not care. Knowing that he would be leaving after the season (Thanks to BB not having plan to extend him)....who can blame him for going through the season with a bad attitude toward the organization and having to hide it as best he could? He felt under appreciated after everything he had given the organization.

Was it improper and close to against the rules for him to be having those discussions with the dolphins...yes...and he probbaly knew it was either approaching the line or crossing the line...BUT he was pushed to that point by BB's stubborn refusal to extend Brady and pay him.

So I give Brady a pass...and blame Ross for blatant disregard of the rules and BB for stubborness and pushing the GOAT out the door.
TB12 we will always love you in NE. Please come back and resign at a retirement ceremony at Gillette. Take your rightful place on the Mount Rushmore of Boston Sorts with Bill, Bobby, Larry and Ted

"He [Brady] was justifiably pissed that the Pats and BB did not offer him a lengthy extension, where he would finally get what he [Brady] deserved".

The hundreds of millions of dollars in career earnings acquired via many contract extensions signed with the Patriots, all the various personal and team accomplishments, the six Super Bowl victories (which were won collectively, btw, not solely by Brady alone), etc, weren't enough? Belichick's refusal to offer 42 year-old Tom Brady a deal greater than one year deprived Brady of what he truly deserved? I don't agree with that.

Belichick had his terms; Brady had his. One can disagree with Belichick, one can think he should've been willing to extend Brady beyond a single season ... but none of that makes what Brady did right. Brady could've waited until the legal FA tampering period and handled this with class and professionalism, all the while putting his full focus on the current season at hand. Instead Brady did what he did; Brady made that decision (repeatedly). I think it's pretty weak to justify Brady's tampering behavior vis-à-vis Belichick's contract offer. To put it much more simply: Stop blaming Belichick for Brady's actions.

The level of bias in your post is astounding. You like Brady; you do not like Belichick. That disposition informs the way you understand everything each of them does. I can say with absolute certainty that if the shoe was on the other foot, and Belichick was found to have been talking with the Dolphins throughout an entire season that he was coaching the Patriots, because Kraft wouldn't give him a long-term extension, you would call him a traitor, treasonous, for him to be hanged and flayed in the streets.

 

[archstanton543]

Belichick had his terms; Brady had his. One can disagree with Belichick, one can think he should've been willing to extend Brady beyond a single season ... but none of that makes what Brady did right. Brady could've waited until the legal FA tampering period and handled this with class and professionalism, all the while putting his full focus on the current season at hand. Instead Brady did what he did; Brady made that decision (repeatedly). I think it's pretty weak to justify Brady's behavior vis-à-vis Belichick's contract offer. To put it much more simply: Stop blaming Belichick for Brady's actions.

"It's about honor! It's about respect!"

Hmm, I wonder who said those words?

 

[PatsWSB47]

"It's about honor! It's about respect!"

Hmm, I wonder who said those words?

Brady did. That pregame speech was applauded. It was inspirational and motivational and helped the Patriots win another superbowl back when Brady was all in with the Pats and the Pats were all in with Brady. BB sought to move on from Brady before Brady sought to move on from the Pats though. It doesn't change that he was under contract. It does explain how Brady didn't care. I don't like that he was talking to Miami but I didn't like that the Pats gave up on him 1st even more.

 

[Guts]

"It's about honor! It's about respect!"

Hmm, I wonder who said those words?

"You win this game your kids are honored, your families are honored"

You guys grasping at straws.

 

[neuronet]

Must be nice for people here that have never being in an organization you were just done working for. Lack of empathy for Brady, and the thought that he would be so unprofessional as actually to let it influence his gameplay, is pretty astounding.

 

[203Pat]

Lol. That could be written about the bradytonians and the criticisms of the team they are supposedly fans of.

The issue isn't that tampering occurred. It's the continued conversations, to the detriment of our team.

 

[Ring 6]

32 million is 32 million. Thats why Revis made 12

He actually made 45 because instead of the 20 in year 2 he got 33 mill from the Jete. Bet he’s happy year 2 wasn’t guaranteed because the way he played that first season back in Ny he wasn’t getting 13 million more from anyone.

But I understand your point of view. Tom
Brady was so concerned his career was going to end in 2019 that he needed that 25 mill in 2020 guaranteed. He wanted nothing more than to stay in NE and those bulky patriots forced his hand by not allowing him to secure his financial security with a 2020 guarantee because if he fell apart in 2019 and no one wanted him in 2020 how will he feed his family on the 300 mill he had already made plus his wife’s income that his is dwarfed by. He would have had to resort to something like accepting a broadcasting job making more. Oh that shame.
I hadn’t realized this was your point. How could anyone expect Brady to not be guaranteed to be paid if he okays so bad he gets cut and no one wants him. He must have feared he only had one year left and needed to be paid for 2. I guess he loved being a patriot and just couldn’t stomach the thought of falling off the Kellerman Cliff and not getting paid to sit home.
You see a totally different Tom Brady than I do.

 

[XLIX]

LOL... you hate Brady so much that you've convinced yourself that chasing rings is a bad thing. He wants to be surrounded by the best team possible... what a novel idea. I'm in awe of your stupidity.

LOL yeah I called him out for that idiotic comment too. I have been posting to forums like this for about 25 years and can say that until now, I have never seen a player being criticized for wanting to win rings.... everytime I think I have seen it all, someone manages to lower the bar just a wee bit more....

 

[PatsWSB47]

"He [Brady] was justifiably pissed that the Pats and BB did not offer him a lengthy extension, where he would finally get what he [Brady] deserved".

The hundreds of millions of dollars in career earnings acquired via many contract extensions signed with the Patriots, all the various personal and team accomplishments, the six Super Bowl victories (which were won collectively, btw, not solely by Brady alone), etc, weren't enough? Belichick's refusal to offer 42 year-old Tom Brady a deal greater than one year deprived Brady of what he truly deserved? I don't agree with that.

Belichick had his terms; Brady had his. One can disagree with Belichick, one can think he should've been willing to extend Brady beyond a single season ... but none of that makes what Brady did right. Brady could've waited until the legal FA tampering period and handled this with class and professionalism, all the while putting his full focus on the current season at hand. Instead Brady did what he did; Brady made that decision (repeatedly). I think it's pretty weak to justify Brady's tampering behavior vis-à-vis Belichick's contract offer. To put it much more simply: Stop blaming Belichick for Brady's actions.

The level of bias in your post is astounding. You like Brady; you do not like Belichick. That disposition informs the way you understand everything each of them does. I can say with absolute certainty that if the shoe was on the other foot, and Belichick was found to have been talking with the Dolphins throughout an entire season that he was coaching the Patriots, because Kraft wouldn't give him a long-term extension, you would call him a traitor, treasonous, for him to be hanged and flayed in the streets.

What do you say in each of your scenarios?

 

[Pape]

Lmao... The Brady butthurt runs deep... I know your upset that Tomper Brady was taking some well deserved heat... Why else you post that masterpiece worthy of the Triggered Hall of Fame... But relax, there's no need to cry because some mean ole Patriots fans posted some words critical of your hero...

Just head over to the Tampa forums, be with your peoples for a bit and come back when you get yourself centered again... We enjoy having fans of other teams join us at Pats fans.com, for the most part...

 

[Ross12]

Just your friendly every-two-page reminder to discuss the topic of the thread, not whether BB is better than Tom or Tom is better than BB or whether your package is the biggest or whatever, and to not personally attack other posters, or else you might get dumped.

 

[Bill Lee]

The logical fallacy that runs rampant thru every anti-Patriot post in this thread is "they didn't want him".

True. Another good one is: "He had a MVP season in Tampa, so he would have had a MVP season here"

They knew all it would take to keep him a Patriot was the Brees deal and he never got it. That's on BB and Kraft.

How did that Brees signing work out both short term and long term for the Aints?

So many people here say they wanted Brady to get a big deal, but don't seem to acknowledge all that would have done is push back our timeline on a rebuilt back at least two years, to right about now.

The contentious bull is exactly that, I don’t buy any of it. No matter how messy the ending was, it was the best one could hope for. I don’t really care about back door negotiations, they happen all the time through back channels. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is just being naïve.

The problem for certain posters is it refutes the narrative that Brady was all-in for 2019. Some still want to die on that hill, even knowing his house was on the market that entire year. Now we have even more evidence that he was already mentally checking out starting early in 2019.

 

[203Pat]

Lmao... The Brady butthurt runs deep... I know your upset that Tomper Brady was taking some well deserved heat... Why else you post that masterpiece worthy of the Triggered Hall of Fame... But relax, there's no need to cry because some mean ole Patriots fans posted some words critical of your hero...

Just head over to the Tampa forums, be with your peoples for a bit and come back when you get yourself centered again... We enjoy having fans of other teams join us at Pats fans.com, for the most part...

 

[Pape]

Must be nice for people here that have never being in an organization you were just done working for. Lack of empathy for Brady, and the thought that he would be so unprofessional as actually to let it influence his gameplay, is pretty astounding.

Influence his game play? Probably not, as he is the ultimate competitor. Negativitly influence his negotiations with the team? Absolutely.

 

[Wozzy]

The problem for certain posters is it refutes the narrative that Brady was all-in for 2019. Some still want to die on that hill, even knowing his house was on the market that entire year. Now we have even more evidence that he was already mentally checking out starting early in 2019.

He was grousing all season, he was having Meyers benched, he was demanding they acquire vets like AB and Sanu... I doubt entirely he tried less.

He knows how hard it is to win a ring, he was leaving anyway, he knew it and said so a year later on Howard Stern. He was dealing with multiple injuries... his injured O-Line got him beaten up earlier in the season. The offense got worse and worse in 2019 and one can track how they got worse in lockstep with injuries he acquired. Ring or no ring he was leaving, he'd rather have the ring and be gone than not. They just weren't good enough at the end of the season to win.