NFL News OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[All3Phases]

By definition, players can’t tamper. Teams tamper. Players are tampered with.

If you want an example of a player being tampered with during camp, the most famous one that comes to mind is Lawyer Milloy almost 20 years ago.

The funniest part is its not the players rule. Teams fault

 

[Ring 6]

Again, we are using your terms, which seem to not distinguish between want and choice.


Tom wanted to be back, ON HIS TERMS AND CONDITIONS, which you agree were something like 2/50, and the Patriots chose not to offer that.

As I wrote earlier and you chose not to respond, suppose we did give him 2/50, where are we now?????

As I wrote earlier, my guess is that he's retired and working for Fox, and we've just tried to get a rookie QB in a bad draft class with bad draft position, and we're facing the kinds of cap hits Tampa faces when Tom retires there.

CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES!

This is a great point.
Let’s say the Patriots has resigned Brady. Then subtract the players they would not have been able to sign with the 25 mill a year they have been saving.
Does anyone think they would have won a SB?
Does anyone think Brady wouldn’t have stayed retired or left this year?
Does anyone think their future prospects would be better today?

 

[Rob0729]

IMO, given Tom was turning 43 as he became a free agent, IMO it'd be risky to pay him top of market rates especially on a team with other highly paid aging vets. Fans wanted Tom to get that top of market contract just out of fandom, not out of objective analysis. Putting 43 year old Tom on the team we had the last two years would have been bad for Tom and bad for the team. There was no fairy tale ending to be had here. We were on the way down, Tampa was on the way up. Given that Mac fell into our laps, it was better for Tom, better for the league as a whole, and better for the Patriots long term that Tom moved on when he did.

That's the thing that a lot of people who trash the Patriots and Belichick for letting Brady walk refuse to admit. Brady is defying monumental odds that he is still performing at a high level in his mid 40s. No other QB has ever done this (at least not in the modern football era where passing is so prominent). Just because Brady defied insurmountable odds to do so doesn't change the fact that most true betting persons would have bet against Brady playing at a high or elite level the past two years with a gun to their heads.

 

[Bill Lee]

For your bolded, Im not a mind reader...And I also am not saying they made the wrong decision. I am saying they easily could have paid him, multiple times and chose not to...Like you said, it was their choice...Thats it

And they did present offers that Tom could have chose to accept, but he chose otherwise.

Both sides had their reasons.

 

[Boomer B]

Brady refused any offers for a multi-year contract because he wanted to leave. He made sure of that when he forced the Patriots to include language that voided the deal on the last day of the NFL season (making him an unrestricted free agent) and blocked them from using the Franchise Tag. If he had any interest at all in staying, those two things would not have been in his last contract. HE asked for this because HE wanted to leave. The Patriots gave him what he wanted. What's so hard to understand about this?

Revisionist history here. It’s very well documented that after the his 2017 MVP year he wanted a multi year deal, got a 1 year. After the 2018 SB he wanted what the Drew Brees deal, didn’t get it. He got 1 year. Then going into 2019 he knew he was only going to keep getting 1 year, incentive deals so he asked for the out clause. If Belichick and Kraft wanted Brady here, all they had to do was offer him a multi year deal which they never did.

 

[Triumph]

By definition, players can’t tamper. Teams tamper. Players are tampered with.

If you want an example of a player being tampered with during camp, the most famous one that comes to mind is Lawyer Milloy almost 20 years ago.

Nope

Players cannot speak with other teams while under contract without permission from the players team.

 

[All3Phases]

Revisionist history here. It’s very well documented that after the his 2017 MVP year he wanted a multi year deal, got a 1 year. After the 2018 SB he wanted what the Drew Brees deal, didn’t get it. He got 1 year. Then going into 2019 he knew he was only going to keep getting 1 year, incentive deals so he asked for the out clause. If Belichick and Kraft wanted Brady here, all they had to do was offer him a multi year deal which they never did.

Somebody actually reads the evidence

 

[Triumph]

Triumph hypocrite. Did you have this outrage when BB tampered?

Hows excuse # 4 coming along?

 

[Ring 6]

Silly games as in backing up your statements? AHAHAHA

Yes. We both know it happened, I’m not wasting by time on your phony denial. Simple.
Here’s a solution, don’t believe me. Stay in your echo chamber where anything you make up is either correct or you assign tasks to people who prove you wrong.
Better yet, just grow up.

 

[All3Phases]

Yes. We both know it happened, I’m not wasting by time on your phony denial. Simple.
Here’s a solution, don’t believe me. Stay in your echo chamber where anything you make up is either correct or you assign tasks to people who prove you wrong.
Better yet, just grow up.

Youve wasted so much time telling me youre right without finding a simple article defending your asinine post. You couldve just found one. Theres a reason you dont, because you cant

 

[Guts]

Nope

Players cannot speak with other teams while under contract without permission from the players team.

Everybody is guilty then. Tampering happens all the time

 

[All3Phases]

Hows excuse # 4 coming along?

DEFINITION. The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

 

[Bill Lee]

Revisionist history here. It’s very well documented that after the his 2017 MVP year he wanted a multi year deal, got a 1 year. After the 2018 SB he wanted what the Drew Brees deal, didn’t get it. He got 1 year. Then going into 2019 he knew he was only going to keep getting 1 year, incentive deals so he asked for the out clause. If Belichick and Kraft wanted Brady here, all they had to do was offer him a multi year deal which they never did.

BB and Kraft wanted Tom here, but under different terms and conditions than Tom wanted.

There were offers on the table, Tom chose to not take them.

BB and Kraft could have chose to make better offers, but they chose not to.

 

[All3Phases]

BB and Kraft wanted Tom here, but under different terms and conditions than Tom wanted.

There were offers on the table, Tom chose to not take them.

BB and Kraft could have chose to make better offers, but they chose not to.

by better offers, you mean something that is relatively close to market value

 

[203Pat]

How many rings did Parcells bring us? How often did Brady publicly discuss his dirty laundry like Parcells did? They aren’t the same, totally different contexts and class. this is sort of silly.

I swear this fanbase has to be dumber than most others.

 

[XLIX]

Nope

Players cannot speak with other teams while under contract without permission from the players team.

As usual, you speak without knowing what you are talking about. By definition, only a team (i.e. team's representatives) can tamper. The NFL defines tampering as:

The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

While it is not permissible for Brady to reach out to Miami, he is not tampering if he does.

When has a player ever gotten penalized for tampering (other than, in some cases, voiding the deal)? Even in this case, which is among the harshest penalty for tampering ever given by the NFL, the player involved didn't even get so much as a slap on the wrist.

 

[Boomer B]

BB and Kraft wanted Tom here, but under different terms and conditions than Tom wanted.

There were offers on the table, Tom chose to not take them.

BB and Kraft could have chose to make better offers, but they chose not to.

One way to look at it. But if you were Tom, the most decorated player in history, and the team would only keep going one year at a time with incentive deals, while other vets like Brees was getting multi year deals with higher guarantees, would you be happy?

 

[Triumph]

DEFINITION. The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

Hope this clears it up for you.

Contact by Player. If a club is contacted by a player (or his representative) who is under contract to or whose negotiating rights are held by another club, and such player has not been given permission to negotiate with other clubs, or such player is not in a permissible negotiating period under the terms of an operative collective bargaining agreement, then the contacted club is prohibited from (i) negotiating with the player or his agent; (ii) discussing even in general terms the player’s possible employment with the contacted club; or (iii) discussing the player’s contract or his potential or ongoing contract negotiations with his current club.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/7-2018%20Anti-Tampering%20Policy-Clean%20Version.pdf

basically BRADY TAMPERED WITH MIAMII

 

[Triumph]

As usual, you speak without knowing what you are talking about. By definition, only a team (i.e. team's representatives) can tamper. The NFL defines tampering as:

The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

While it is not permissible for Brady to reach out to Miami, he is not tampering if he does.

When has a player ever gotten penalized for tampering (other than, in some cases, voiding the deal)? Even in this case, which is among the harshest penalty for tampering ever given by the NFL, the player involved didn't even get so much as a slap on the wrist.

Wrong as usual.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/7-2018%20Anti-Tampering%20Policy-Clean%20Version.pdf

 

[All3Phases]

Hope this clears it up for you.

Contact by Player. If a club is contacted by a player (or his representative) who is under contract to or whose negotiating rights are held by another club, and such player has not been given permission to negotiate with other clubs, or such player is not in a permissible negotiating period under the terms of an operative collective bargaining agreement, then the contacted club is prohibited from (i) negotiating with the player or his agent; (ii) discussing even in general terms the player’s possible employment with the contacted club; or (iii) discussing the player’s contract or his potential or ongoing contract negotiations with his current club.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/7-2018%20Anti-Tampering%20Policy-Clean%20Version.pdf

basically BRADY TAMPERED WITH MIAMII

Here Ill bold it for you. You provided evidence against you. Its the teams responsibility to not partake in discussions. youre welcome