OT: Arians steps down as Tampa HC

[Deus Irae]

Forced his way out of town.

Didn't happen

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is awesome

 

[RobertWeathers]

Who is taking care of the "in game" decisions/adjustments? Challenging plays etc....

Well, I guess that's their problem...lol.......

I have enough to worry about with my team and coaching.

It has to start/stop with Bowles. This isn't Remember the Titans with Denzel running the O and Yoast running the D

 

[RobertWeathers]

Did anyone ever hear from Tom Sr. about this friction w/ BA? We all know the old man can't keep his trap shut.

It's a matter of time. Once Tom Sr. has a couple of Old Fashions in him it's all over

 

[venecol]

TB coaching TB in TB is going to be interesting to watch. Results TBD.

 

[Steve102]

The point is obvious and can’t be more clear. Brady lobbied for AB because AB was still a damn good player in 2019, 2020, and 2021 when healthy. So it makes no sense to question his motivation for wanting him on his team. I don’t know why you make silly points like whether or not AB was “the key” to Brady winning…I guess to turn it into an argumentative crap fest. AB made the offense better. He was a key matchup problem often and including SB55. It’s just weird to deny reality and act like Brady wanted to bring on a rotten apple for some barely noticeable perk.

I get it...it doesn't fit into your bizarre, fan fiction narrative that Tom ate a poisoned fruit when he left NE and is now crazed, self-obsessed prima dona who leverages his power and laughs about it, rather than that the reality that he's (a) never been perfect, (b) is obsessed with winning, and (c) is more public/less guarded now in his approach, and (d) plays for an organization who, as part of the agreement to go there, told them they'd give him a lot of leverage when it comes to decisions outside the traditional QB role. I should have just figured it was a part of that ridiculous "summary" of Brady's tenure in Tampa Bay and known you're not going to be rational about anything.

We see AB differently. I am not trying to argue with anyone. There's way too much of that going on here already.

I do not see Brady as a self obsessed prima dona. I see exactly your 4 points and agree with you. I think your B point is why Arians is out. You make the point in D. If Brady wanted him there, he'd be there.

 

[Steve102]

It has to start/stop with Bowles. This isn't Remember the Titans with Denzel running the O and Yoast running the D

What if it is? What if it's Bowles running the D, Leftwich and Brady running the O? Bowles does all the pressers, but lets those guys handle the offensive scheming?

 

[Deus Irae]

What if it is? What if it's Bowles running the D, Leftwich and Brady running the O? Bowles does all the pressers, but lets those guys handle the offensive scheming?

Bowles has never coached the offensive side of the ball.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes, Brady fans do exist among Pats fans, but I don't see the sense in repeatedly calling those folks names, especially when posters get banned.

As for Lebron, he couldn't hold Brady's jock. But in both cases they need players more than coaches. That's the simple truth that seems to be ruffling feathers here.

Fanboy is not an insult except to those who engage in ridiculous hero worship.

GM's acquire players, BB drafted Brady, Jason Licht built the Tampa superteam... that's a fact. Facts ruffle feathers here.

 

[venecol]

What if it is? What if it's Bowles running the D, Leftwich and Brady running the O? Bowles does all the pressers, but lets those guys handle the offensive scheming?

Agree but @ashley1992 question was who makes the in-game decisions (TOs, challenging calls, overall game plan, etc.). That's Bowles. He probably won't be involved in play calling (maybe on D) but when it's time to decide to go for it on 4th, punt or kick a fg, that's got to be his call. He's not going to stand in front of the press after a critical 4th down conv. fails and say "well Brady thought we could make it."

 

[Steve102]

Agree but @ashley1992 question was who makes the in-game decisions (TOs, challenging calls, overall game plan, etc.). That's Bowles. He probably won't be involved in play calling (maybe on D) but when it's time to decide to go for it on 4th, punt or kick a fg, that's got to be his call. He's not going to stand in front of the press after a critical 4th down conv. fails and say "well Brady thought we could make it."

100% agree.

 

[Wozzy]

Apparently BB does need validation here because a mod is throwing out fans who are critical of him.

Bill's place in Patriot history will always be tied into Brady until he gets more games and shows, yet again, that sports is about the players, not the coaches. Bill's record without Brady on the Pats is average with no playoff wins and one epic playoff loss.

I'll leave it at that because I'm trying to keep from inciting other Pats fans with my unpopular opinions.

BB won a playoff game with Cleveland in 1994 with the #1 ranked defense in the NFL, it was the last time they won a playoff game going back 26 years until 2020. You don't even have your facts straight.

History will record that BB drafted Tom Brady, they won't debate the significance of Brady versus BB... that's for small minds and Brady zealots to do now. It's soap opera media red meat... fluff... nonsense. Nobody contemplates where Vince Lombardi would be without Bart Starr because it's silly.

 

[Vindicate]

The point is obvious and can’t be more clear. Brady lobbied for AB because AB was still a damn good player in 2019, 2020, and 2021 when healthy. So it makes no sense to question his motivation for wanting him on his team. I don’t know why you make silly points like whether or not AB was “the key” to Brady winning…I guess to turn it into an argumentative crap fest. AB made the offense better. He was a key matchup problem often and including SB55. It’s just weird to deny reality and act like Brady wanted to bring on a rotten apple for some barely noticeable perk.

I get it...it doesn't fit into your bizarre, fan fiction narrative that Tom ate a poisoned fruit when he left NE and is now crazed, self-obsessed prima dona who leverages his power and laughs about it, rather than that the reality that he's (a) never been perfect, (b) is obsessed with winning, and (c) is more public/less guarded now in his approach, and (d) plays for an organization who, as part of the agreement to go there, told them they'd give him a lot of leverage when it comes to decisions outside the traditional QB role. I should have just figured it was a part of that ridiculous "summary" of Brady's tenure in Tampa Bay and known you're not going to be rational about anything.

I find it that nuanced takes aren't well-received because, in the end, they force us to see both sides and it's way less emotionally charging. For most.

Because it really is as simple and mundane as you put it. Just like any big thing we talk about on this board. Malcolm benching. Brady leaving here. The list goes on, and their reasons are often heavily nuanced, multi-variate, and never "bad guy vs. good guy" "good guy turns bad."

That **** is for the birds and their little birdie picture books. Sorry, folks.

 

[XLIX]

BB won a playoff game with Cleveland in 1994 with the #1 ranked defense in the NFL, it was the last time they won a playoff game going back 26 years until 2020. You don't even have your facts straight.

Talk about someone that doesn't have their facts straight.... the franchise that Bill Belichick left won a Super Bowl 5 years later. Spare us the idiocy of using Cleveland's 1999 expansion team as if it has a shred of relevance. Looking at how the Cleveland expansion team has performed over the past 20 years is no more relevant than looking at how the Houston Texans have performed over the past 20 years. These Browns and those Browns literally have absolutely nothing in common save laundry.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Talk about someone that doesn't have their facts straight.... the franchise that Bill Belichick left won a Super Bowl 5 years later. Spare us the idiocy of using Cleveland's 1999 expansion team as if it has a shred of relevance. Looking at how the Cleveland expansion team has performed over the past 20 years is no more relevant than looking at how the Houston Texans have performed over the past 20 years. These Browns and those Browns literally have absolutely nothing in common save laundry.

Right, the Ravens record is the relevant one

 

[jdlboot14]

OF COURSE this was Brady!! The timing is barely enough to try to fool idiots as if the 2 things don't have to do with each other.
This was all Brady negotiating with the owners behind the scenes. It's clear he didn't respect BA that much, and probably didn't think he had the stones to run a tight enough ship for Tom to win. It's always and only about Tom. He knows he can run the offense, and give Leftwich lip service, and he just wants Bowles to run the D and stay out of his way. I hope it's a miserable disaster!

 

[RobertWeathers]

What if it is? What if it's Bowles running the D, Leftwich and Brady running the O? Bowles does all the pressers, but lets those guys handle the offensive scheming?

IMO a team needs a singular voice.

I don't necessarily have an issue w/ Tom/Lefty running the O at a tactical level but at the end of the day Bowles is held accountable for wins and losses. His job demands he has final say in everything.

 

[XLIX]

OF COURSE this was Brady!! The timing is barely enough to try to fool idiots as if the 2 things don't have to do with each other.

I agree 100%. Once the decision was made to bring back Brady and let Arians go (i.e. promote him out of the way) the only real course of action they could have followed was to do what they did: Announce Brady's return, wait 2 weeks, make the coaching change. It would have been really bad if they made the coaching change and then Brady came back. It also would have been really bad if they announced the coaching change closer to Brady's return.

So what they did was leave a couple week gap between the 2 events to (hopefully) fool people into thinking they weren't related.

 

[ashley]

Apparently BB does need validation here because a mod is throwing out fans who are critical of him.

Get your facts straight. I threw two posters out who were high jacking this thread.

One poster is a known troll- a one trick pony who only criticizes the Pats and BB and has been warned numerous times.
The other poster is an agitator/self admitted troll who does not criticize BB at all but trolls the Tom Brady/Tampa fans with his constant trolling.

Before making this ridiculous statements, make sure you get your facts straight.

 

[gobesmug]

I was happy when Todd Bowles left the Jets because I thought he was a good HC.

You need talent to win in the NFL, that's not a debate.

Bowles will definitely over see the defensive scheme, but the offensive scheme will be all Leftwich/Brady.

That's not to say Bowles will have zero input, because he has the keys to situational decisions.

He will decide if the offense needs to go for it on 4th and 2 and he will decide if the offense will try to get into fg range before the half.

I don't see Brady having any issues with that. If Brady did then that would be a problem because the HC needs to make those decisions