Wow! This 2021 redraft has Mac Jones still going as the 5th QB with the Pats taking Davis Mills over him at 15. Jones drops to 19th

[Wozzy]

Hey look, the guy who hated Mac Jones long before he ever wore a Patriots jersey can't admit he was wrong

This ^

A failure to admit wrong is why people and media members still hang onto this Mac has a weak arm BS.

They had garbage pre-draft analysis, they had garbage post draft analysis, then Mac (and BB) made them look stupid... the entire reason for this article.

This guy will be Rob Parker decades later still saying Tom Brady is overrated because he promoted a crap take from the start.

 

[Wozzy]

Maybe, but of course what you've cleverly done is discard the best part of Mac's season in that comparison.

On a full season basis, Mac had a 51.3 QBR vs Mills 35.6. That difference if added to Mac's QBR would have Mac as the 3rd best QB n the league.
Likewise with DVOA: Mac was +6.1%, Mills -8.7%. Gifting that difference to Mac would have Mac as the 4th best QB by DVOA.

Big differences.

So by leaving out Mac's best games (and presumably some of Mills' worst) you create a false equivalence.

BTW you can make a much stronger case that Mills was a better choice than Lawrence, Wilson and Fields, who all shat the bed statistically.

No one knows how these QB's will sort out in the long term, but give Mac credit -- for whatever reason -- for the best rookie QB season -- by far.

Crawhammer strikes me as the anything BB did was a mistake, until it isn't, then he could have done it better years later in hindsight type.

I think it's more telling the Pat's liked Mac and according to Mike Lombardi, Davis Mills was their guy in there second round if they didn't get Mac.

 

[GreenCow]

I think Mac’s subpar performance in the skills competition may be weighing on this article. That was really bad.

Recency bias and all that.

 

[upstater1]

I think Mac’s subpar performance in the skills competition may be weighing on this article. That was really bad.

Recency bias and all that.

If that's what they are looking at, they should realize that Russell Wilson was just as bad at it his first few times doing it, he was great at it in 2020 and this year.

Steve Young was the worst ever at it, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were very bad in 2002, and some of the best performances came from Mitch Trubisky, Derek Carr, Alex Smith and Gus Frerotte.

Drew Brees is probably the best ever at this competition.

 

[GreenCow]

If that's what they are looking at, they should realize that Russell Wilson was just as bad at it his first few times doing it, he was great at it in 2020 and this year.

Steve Young was the worst ever at it, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were very bad in 2002, and some of the best performances came from Mitch Trubisky, Derek Carr, Alex Smith and Gus Frerotte.

Drew Brees is probably the best ever at this competition.

Oh i’m not saying it’s smart for them to do that. But dumb stuff like that gets stuck in peoples brains and sometimes they don’t even realize it.

 

[Wozzy]

I think Mac’s subpar performance in the skills competition may be weighing on this article. That was really bad.

Recency bias and all that.

Mac Jones wins 'Thread the Needle' event at Pro Bowl Skills Showdown​

Mac Jones wins 'Thread the Needle' event at Pro Bowl Skills Showdown

The Patriots rookie quarterback won an event at the 2022 Pro Bowl Skills Showdown.

www.patriots.com

Huh?

 

[GreenCow]

Mac Jones wins 'Thread the Needle' event at Pro Bowl Skills Showdown​

Mac Jones wins 'Thread the Needle' event at Pro Bowl Skills Showdown

The Patriots rookie quarterback won an event at the 2022 Pro Bowl Skills Showdown.

www.patriots.com

Huh?

Dude, he was terrible lol. That doesn’t make him a bad QB, just that he was bad at the skills competition. Winning one small slice of it is whatever. I don’t put any stock into it at all, but some do.

 

[upstater1]

Dude, he was terrible lol. That doesn’t make him a bad QB, just that he was bad at the skills competition. Winning one small slice of it is whatever. I don’t put any stock into it at all, but some do.

Here is what I will say to you about this thread the needle competition and actual games. Mac Jones this year was so much more accurate on long throws than Josh Allen was his first year. A lot more accurate.

 

[reflexblue]

After seeing that the top three picks were the same, especially punky wilson and lance i read no farther. Just a clownish click-bate article.

 

[Wozzy]

Dude, he was terrible lol. That doesn’t make him a bad QB, just that he was bad at the skills competition. Winning one small slice of it is whatever. I don’t put any stock into it at all, but some do.

He won one competition… and we’re talking about a meaningless joke of an event he was competing in for the first time of his life. Russell Wilson was competing for what… his tenth time?

Give us a break if you think NFL players or personnel look at this garbage as an indictment of Mac’s ability. You have to go to the Pro Bowl to compete, that’s a select few… good grief.

This reporter was a Mac hater before the draft, after the Pats got him no doubt it didn’t help change his mind.

 

[Rob0729]

I have said this before, but Jones probably has far more room to grow and get better than people give him credit for. Most of what he has to work on his physical. He needs to get into better shape and get stronger. That is far easier to get better at than learning how to throw with anticipation, read defenses both before the snap and while the game is going, and throw with pinpoint accuracy. And since Jones is doughy and doesn't look like he spent a lot of time in the weight room in college, his room to grow in this area could be exponential if he dedicates himself. He has the ability to get much stronger if he wants. And then people likely will not be talking about his arm strength.

 

[sb1]

I think Mac needs to get in better shape and hit the weights. That photo (and you know which one) tells us all we need to know and where he can definitely improve.. It's not just arm strength it's also durability. A 17 game season is punishing on anyone. A doughy built guy is asking for trouble. He took an awful lot of big hits earlier this year and we were lucky they didn't KO him from a game or games.

 

[Kasmir]

All this sh*t being poured on this loveable kid is only making me root for his success like no one before.

Mac has by far the best rookie year of all the QB's and the haters say his success wasn't his own and he might even regress -- all the while holding high expectations that his rivals will naturally improve their putrid play.

Really? WTF? Where is this irrational hatred coming from?

 

[Ivan]

So Jones outplays all the rookie QB’s and drops? That’s stupid.

 

[50-yard-line]

Maybe, but of course what you've cleverly done is discard the best part of Mac's season in that comparison.

On a full season basis, Mac had a 51.3 QBR vs Mills 35.6. That difference if added to Mac's QBR would have Mac as the 3rd best QB n the league.
Likewise with DVOA: Mac was +6.1%, Mills -8.7%. Gifting that difference to Mac would have Mac as the 4th best QB by DVOA.

Big differences.

So by leaving out Mac's best games (and presumably some of Mills' worst) you create a false equivalence.

BTW you can make a much stronger case that Mills was a better choice than Lawrence, Wilson and Fields, who all shat the bed statistically.

No one knows how these QB's will sort out in the long term, but give Mac credit -- for whatever reason -- for the best rookie QB season -- by far.

Including two games (40% of the sample size) against arguably the best D in the AFC (Bills), in games where the Bills never punted.

 

[Koma]

WalterFootball is another Mac hater. They graded the Pats picking Mac at 15 as a D lol.
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For their offseason needs I was expecting to double down and say QB is still a need for the Patriots but nice to see they ate a little crow instead.

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I'm curious about the team (assuming it exists) that had a third day grade on Jones. Was it a team like the Chargers, who drafted a franchise QB the year before and would have the position way down on their list of needs? They might think, "We don't need a QB, but if someone like Mac Jones falls to the third day of the draft, we can take him and then flip him to a QB needy team for a second round pick in a year or two." Or was the low grade on Jones just a case of Jets-level incompetence?

 

[sb1]

Felger didn't disappoint. LOL

 

[NormZauchin]

I have said this before, but Jones probably has far more room to grow and get better than people give him credit for. Most of what he has to work on his physical. He needs to get into better shape and get stronger. That is far easier to get better at than learning how to throw with anticipation, read defenses both before the snap and while the game is going, and throw with pinpoint accuracy. And since Jones is doughy and doesn't look like he spent a lot of time in the weight room in college, his room to grow in this area could be exponential if he dedicates himself. He has the ability to get much stronger if he wants. And then people likely will not be talking about his arm strength.

I don't disagree with you about the physical aspect of Mac's game, and he certainly was the most advanced of all the rookie quarterbacks in the mental part of the qb position, but even there he has a lot to learn. And I fully expect that with his work ethic and dedication we will see great strides in this area in his second season.

 

[Patnation21]

I feel bad for Wilson, it must have been an awful feeling being drafted by the Jets. He's so talented but went to the absolute worst organization. Mills will be very good, he started playing well at the end last year.

 

[crawhammer]

Maybe, but of course what you've cleverly done is discard the best part of Mac's season in that comparison.

On a full season basis, Mac had a 51.3 QBR vs Mills 35.6. That difference if added to Mac's QBR would have Mac as the 3rd best QB n the league.
Likewise with DVOA: Mac was +6.1%, Mills -8.7%. Gifting that difference to Mac would have Mac as the 4th best QB by DVOA.

Big differences.

So by leaving out Mac's best games (and presumably some of Mills' worst) you create a false equivalence.

BTW you can make a much stronger case that Mills was a better choice than Lawrence, Wilson and Fields, who all shat the bed statistically.

No one knows how these QB's will sort out in the long term, but give Mac credit -- for whatever reason -- for the best rookie QB season -- by far.

The focus of my comparison was how each quarterback started and ended the season. Mills only started 11 games this season, as I stated in the original post, so I included all of his starts. I excluded the same number of starts (6) for Jones at roughly the same time of the season that Mills sat. Again, I was comparing the start and finish of their seasons. I can't compare the middle because Mills wasn't starting. Mills was better than every other rookie quarterback (including Jones) over his final 5 starts of the season.

Also, I'm not saying I would take Mills over Jones straight up. I'm saying Mills showed me enough where I would have preferred trading up for Parsons while aiming for Mills or Trask with my next pick.

Given an opportunity to redo the draft, I don't think any team would change which quarterback they selected. Lawrence was the clear favorite to go first overall and that wouldn't be any different today. NYJ had to move on from Darnold. I personally don't like Wilson at second overall because his size isn't an asset. The Jets suck but Wilson looked completely overwhelmed for most of the season. He like Mills got better down the stretch but the Jets were still losing and he really wasn't doing much. SF takes the uber-talented Lance knowing he'll sit behind Garoppolo for 1-2 seasons. Chicago probably doesn't regret taking Fields but they should because they gave up too much for him and they could have taken Parsons there instead. Likewise the Patriots probably don't regret taking Jones but again I would have gone in the other direction as I described before.