Both Vikings and Bears Interested in Eliot Wolf for Open GM Position

[catent]

it may not die, but it will be severely injured. Wolf was the best thing to walk into our draft room in nearly a decade!

how many more horrible flame out second round defensive backs can we afford to draft?

Based on what evidence? Your intuition? Gut feeling? Internal source in NE? Reporting?

And I'd ask the same thing of everyone else here pounding the Wolf drum: What evidence exists that he has brought unique value to the Patriots and that the team's front-office would struggle in his absence?

I mean that completely sincerely. If there is good, legitimate evidence that Wolf has injected new ideas and approaches to the Patriots front-office that otherwise would not exist, then I'll stand right next to you pounding the drum for the team to make every effort to retain him. The thing is, though, I don't think this evidence really exists to a layperson who doesn't work for the Patriots. I think everyone here advocating for Wolf are doing so based on their personal, subjective whims and instincts, which is essentially an opinion with little-to-no evidence. It might be right, but there is no evidence that it's right.

So again, I completely genuinely/sincerely ask the Wolf proponents to present the evidence that he's a uniquely talented general manager and that the team would struggle in his absence. And when I say evidence, I don't mean a single-year correlation with a (likely) better-than-average draft class; I mean legitimate evidence in the form of quotes from Patriots personnel, researched stories, etc, that details the work Wolf does with the team. Or, if you're well-connected to internal Patriots sources, share what those folks tell you.

My totally subjective, gut-feeling is that the Patriots front-office will be more than fine whether or not Eliot Wolf is working for them.

 

[RobertWeathers]

it may not die, but it will be severely injured. Wolf was the best thing to walk into our draft room in nearly a decade!

What picks did he make? I'm missing something.

how many more horrible flame out second round defensive backs can we afford to draft?

Yea they've done poorly on DB picks in the 2nd rd. Overall a poor success rate. Duggar had been good tho

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maybe they can share him?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wolf worked for his Dad in GB? And that was a good thing? His Dad mentored him and now he has multiple interviews? That is nepotism, and will never work. Look at BB and his son!!! It is a disaster. It will never work. No one will hire him.

Dont think he worked for him specifically but I'm sure he picked is dad's brain.

Nepotism is all over the NFL

 

[Ring 6]

it may not die, but it will be severely injured. Wolf was the best thing to walk into our draft room in nearly a decade!

how many more horrible flame out second round defensive backs can we afford to draft?

What are you basing this on?

 

[venecol]

If Wolf believes in the Green Bay system and wants to implement that when he is in charge, that has nothing to do with how he scouts players for the patriots to fit their criteria.

The criteria that was used to select Harry in the 1st round?

He was obviously brought in (probably by Kraft) not to copy what pats were doing but to bring new ideas. He's getting credit for the success of the recent drafts. I believe Kraft said it was a collaborative effort.

 

[venecol]

Based on what evidence? Your intuition? Gut feeling? Internal source in NE? Reporting?

And I'd ask the same thing of everyone else here pounding the Wolf drum: What evidence exists that he has brought unique value to the Patriots and that the team's front-office would struggle in his absence?

I mean that completely sincerely. If there is good, legitimate evidence that Wolf has injected new ideas and approaches to the Patriots front-office that otherwise would not exist, then I'll stand right next to you pounding the drum for the team to make every effort to retain him. The thing is, though, I don't think this evidence really exists to a layperson who doesn't work for the Patriots. I think everyone here advocating for Wolf are doing so based on their personal, subjective whims and instincts, which is essentially an opinion with little-to-no evidence. It might be right, but there is no evidence that it's right.

So again, I completely genuinely/sincerely ask the Wolf proponents to present the evidence that he's a uniquely talented general manager and that the team would struggle in his absence. And when I say evidence, I don't mean a single-year correlation with a (likely) better-than-average draft class; I mean legitimate evidence in the form of quotes from Patriots personnel, researched stories, etc, that details the work Wolf does with the team. Or, if you're well-connected to internal Patriots sources, share what those folks tell you.

My totally subjective, gut-feeling is that the Patriots front-office will be more than fine whether or not Eliot Wolf is working for them.

Kraft talked about it. Look it up.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The criteria that was used to select Harry in the 1st round?

He was obviously brought in (probably by Kraft) not to copy what pats were doing but to bring new ideas. He's getting credit for the success of the recent drafts. I believe Kraft said it was a collaborative effort.

Robert Kraft: 'I don't feel like we've done the greatest job the last few years' in the draft.

Robert Kraft: 'I don't feel like we've done the greatest job the last few years' in the draft

 

[Love The Drake]

Kraft should step in and Keep Wolf.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Kraft should step in and Keep Wolf.

Based on what? He doesn't run the FO.

 

[Love The Drake]

Based on what? He doesn't run the FO.

Based on doing what’s best for his football team and business alike.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Based on doing what’s best for his football team and business alike.

What exactly has Eliot Wolf done? I want specifics from those who are advocating for him staying...

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft should step in and Keep Wolf.

How? How do you keep a consultant if they are offered a GM job? Are you going to fire the guy responsible for the draft you like to promote someone who was under him as a consultant?
The legend of Eliot Wolf and overrating of his role is taking in a life of its own.
Belichick chose Ziegler for the role and the results were good, why would he fire Ziegler?

 

[Ring 6]

What exactly has Eliot Wolf done? I want specifics from those who are advocating for him staying...

He earned the love of one uninformed very vocal poster, solely because he isn’t one of those hated for uninformed reasons.

 

[Ring 6]

Based on doing what’s best for his football team and business alike.

Why would it be best for the team? What do you do to keep him? What job does he have?

 

[Ring 6]

The criteria that was used to select Harry in the 1st round?

He was obviously brought in (probably by Kraft) not to copy what pats were doing but to bring new ideas. He's getting credit for the success of the recent drafts. I believe Kraft said it was a collaborative effort.

He is getting credit from who?
he has been here for 1 draft and was not by any means in charge of it.
Why are we withholding credit from the man promoted into the job of being in charge of the draft but overlooking him and trying to give credit to a consultant?

So you think they hired this guy to find players that don’t fit the patriots system? Why would they do that?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Based on doing what’s best for his football team and business alike.

The assumption is he is competent. Hes been in the NFL a while and has held down a job. But you are saying Kraft must step in and keep him.

In the past, Bill has stepped in and made Caserio, Ossenfort and Ziegler untouchable to other orgs which I assume came with more $ so there is precedent.

Maybe efforts should be made to retain him but nobody on this board can point to specifically what Wolf has done to make him a must-have.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Robert Kraft: 'I don't feel like we've done the greatest job the last few years' in the draft.

Robert Kraft: 'I don't feel like we've done the greatest job the last few years' in the draft

Game. Set. Match.

 

[venecol]

So you think they hired this guy to find players that don’t fit the patriots system? Why would they do that?

N'Keal Harry

 

[Sicilian]

Game. Set. Match.

The quotes from Kraft mention a need to draft better, and reference changes to the draft process. But that can mean a LOT of things:

- Changes to who makes the selections (unlikely, as that's still going to be BB in the end)
- Changes to who has input into the selections
- Changes to the parameters used to rank prospects
- Changes to valuations placed on different draft positions (and thus changing trade up/down/stay put strategies)
- Changes to values placed on picks themselves as they relate to trading for veterans.

None of the quotes specifically indicate how the different roles of front office personnel were subsequently altered (if at all). We know that Caserio left, and Ziegler took his place. We have no idea if his responsibilities mirrored Caserio's old ones or were fundamentally changed. Really, outside of, "We need to do better in the draft", we know nothing. So for some to try to automatically assume that the only difference (and thus the most important change to the draft process) was the addition of Wolf, is over simplistic correlation at best.