OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

Another "three years too early is better than a reasonable, team-friendly two-year extension."

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Cripes! No kidding. Imagine being Brady with Jules already hobbling and they let Danny walk right after the SB and the answer is Gunner? Good heavens.

 

[Tottie]

I really think when Bill let Amendola walk that was the beginning of the end for Brady. I remember him saying how you cannot duplicate the amount of reps he had with Danny. I will never get why Bill cheaped out on the few actual weapons Brady had. Wouldn't pay Welker, squeezed Jules, made Gronk play on incentive laden deals. Just absurd.

He could get away with that because of Brady but what worked then won't work now is what people have a hard time understanding. GB operates the same way with Rodgers and they aren't wrong. GB has a great roster and now it's on the players to win, they just haven't been able to do it in big spots.

 

[amfootball]

He could get away with that because of Brady but what worked then won't work now is what people have a hard time understanding. GB operates the same way with Rodgers and they aren't wrong. GB has a great roster and now it's on the players to win, they just haven't been able to do it in big spots.

Honestly, I think Bill let several championships slip away from the way he managed the offense. I know some disagree with me but Brady with decent to very good weapons is pretty much unstoppable.

 

[VectorPrime]

Another "three years too early is better than a reasonable, team-friendly two-year extension."

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Danny has been this productive the last few years? ************

 

[Tottie]

Honestly, I think Bill let several championships slip away from the way he managed the offense. I know some disagree with me but Brady with decent to very good weapons is pretty much unstoppable.

I think BB did a great job maximizing the time he had with the best player in history and he should get credit for that. To say we left SBs out there, I get it having watched all these seasons, but it's hard to justify winning more. The fact is though that what worked is not some mystical 'patriot way' of doing things.

 

[VectorPrime]

Honestly, I think Bill let several championships slip away from the way he managed the offense. I know some disagree with me but Brady with decent to very good weapons is pretty much unstoppable.

I’ve actually gone through this season by season in a post here like a year back and by a large margin it was more horrible injury luck than lack of elite talent that cost the Pats in the end. 2006 was of course the big one where Belichick the GM blew it no question. 2013 is arguable because they cheaped out on trying to get Emmanuel Sanders but Belichick had no idea Hernandez would suddenly be gone and of course Gronk got knocked out for the season too. 2008 ended in quarter 1 of week 1. 2012 was Gronk, Woodhead and Talib getting hurt in the playoffs (I think Talib just gave up), 2015 was the worst injury luck in modern Pats history, 2017 lost Edelman of course but also crucially Jonathan Jones and Hightower. 2009 was a legitimate reset year and then 2010 was super talented but just too young. 2011 was an overachievement. 2019 was lack of talent.

So that’s 2006 2019 and arguably 2013 on Bill the GM in my opinion

oh and 2005 was also everyone getting hurt

 

[amfootball]

I’ve actually gone through this season by season in a post here like a year back and by a large margin it was more horrible injury luck than lack of elite talent that cost the Pats in the end. 2006 was of course the big one where Belichick the GM blew it no question. 2013 is arguable because they cheaped out on trying to get Emmanuel Sanders but Belichick had no idea Hernandez would suddenly be gone and of course Gronk got knocked out for the season too. 2008 ended in quarter 1 of week 1. 2012 was Gronk, Woodhead and Talib getting hurt in the playoffs (I think Talib just gave up), 2015 was the worst injury luck in modern Pats history, 2017 lost Edelman of course but also crucially Jonathan Jones and Hightower. 2009 was a legitimate reset year and then 2010 was super talented but just too young. 2011 was an overachievement. 2019 was lack of talent.

So that’s 2006 2019 and arguably 2013 on Bill the GM in my opinion

oh and 2005 was also everyone getting hurt

Injuries happen because you don't have elite talent to take the pressure off the offense from having to grind every possession. Also games are competitive all the way to the end versus allowing guys to rest in blow outs. It is interesting that 2007 was one of our most healthies seasons. I don't think that is a coincidence.

 

[RicoG]

This is why I really like Arians. Can you imagine Bill ever saying anything like that to vouch for Brady?

Sometimes I don't like him due to his bluntness but others times I do for the same reason.

 

[Tottie]

Sometimes I don't like him due to his bluntness but others times I do for the same reason.

He just said something like "Once we figure you out it's in trouble". LOL. You mean Brady right? Thank god Cam Jordan with man coverage behind it isn't in the playoffs because that one...

 

[amfootball]

Sometimes I don't like him due to his bluntness but others times I do for the same reason.

He stands up for his guys. Sure, he is also hard on them publicly at times but it must feel good to have your coach say, yeah, you should be MVP in a landslide.

 

[RicoG]

Another "three years too early is better than a reasonable, team-friendly two-year extension."

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It wasn't like Amendola was breaking the bank to begin with plus BB was not paying anyone WR1 money. Has he ever paid any WR top 15 money?

All these records with Tampa and Brady could have been happening in NE. What Tampa has done for Brady to succeed the last 2 years is what Kraft/BB should have done.

 

[amfootball]

It wasn't like Amendola was breaking the bank to begin with plus BB was not paying anyone WR1 money. Has he ever paid any WR top 15 money?

All these records with Tampa and Brady could have been happening in NE. What Tampa has done for Brady to succeed the last 2 years is what Kraft/BB should have done.

Yes to your second sentence but Bill will never change.

 

[RicoG]

He stands up for his guys. Sure, he is also hard on them publicly at times but it must feel good to have your coach say, yeah, you should be MVP in a landslide.

How do you think BB would have handled being told "no" like Brady did to Arians/Leftwich?

 

[RicoG]

Romo would have came out of his booth for the 1/2 a million dollars.

Bonus was the shade Brady did to AB.
Added bonus was the benefactors were his BFF Gronk and blossoming BFF Evans.

 

[Deus Irae]

Surely Aaron Rodgers is number one on that list, and there's been an error.

 

[Deus Irae]

I feel like it is often times simply dishonest, bordering on lying, and it's a shame to see some posters who for years have been at least honest in their arguments. Same thing with the 2020 salary cap "reset" line of reasoning, but that a different topic...just same type of bizarre and dishonest reasoning about cap allotment, twisting into pretzels to explain the reasoning.

Yes, we always have exceptions; just because something is generally true and reliable doesn't mean it is true every single time or reliable every single time. I'm going to buy the most reliable car from the brand with the most reliability; sometimes, a car from that brand breaks down and performs worse than a car from a less reliable brand. On your next car are you going to buy from the less reliable brand? Basically the argument, translated to football, is that we really don't "need" an elite quarterback because, a few times in recent years, we've seen a non-elite quarterback raise the Lombardi trophy.

How often are teams consistently legitimate SB contenders, and multiple time winners, with a middling QB at the helm? That's really the question. Any team can get hot at the right time, or be so dominant on the other side of the ball that the importance of the QB play is minimized, and pull off a one year run. But, take way the EliGiants, and you have to go back to the 80's Redskins to find another team that fits the bill.

 

[Deus Irae]

Unfortunately, the fact that it's a narrative award is going against him. That's why we're being bombarded with "Aaron Rodgers got the 1 seed!" line, when the Packers and Bucs finished with the same 13-4 records.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Unfortunately, the fact that it's a narrative award is going against him. That's why we're being bombarded with "Aaron Rodgers got the 1 seed!" line, when the Packers and Bucs finished with the same 13-4 records.

That would be the same Aaron Rodgers who won MVP with the #2 seed in 2014.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

21 of 26 of the Packers offensive touchdowns, over the last seven games, were passing touchdowns via Rodgers.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How often are teams consistently legitimate SB contenders, and multiple time winners, with a middling QB at the helm? That's really the question. Any team can get hot at the right time, or be so dominant on the other side of the ball that the importance of the QB play is minimized, and pull off a one year run. But, take way the EliGiants, and you have to go back to the 80's Redskins to find another team that fits the bill.

One of the board bozos cites the 2017 postseason with Bortles, Keenum, and Foles in the conference championships. Of course he cites that year like it’s anything close to the norm. But beyond that, all three of those QBs were sent packing the next offseason since the teams themselves realized how lucky they’d gotten.