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[Kontradiction]

Everyone is talking about the Godwin play, but no one in the news media seems to suggest that it was a flop by the DB. I've only read that on this board.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article254130353.html

Replays showed that Godwin may have been guilty of using his left forearm to push Cowboys’ defensive back Jourdan Lewis to create the separation needed to make the catch. Lewis fell down as Godwin made the catch, and ran out of bounds at the Cowboys’ 18-yard line.

It also looked like Lewis may have been losing his balance, and was merely guilty of selling the contact to draw the penalty.

Took me less than 15 seconds to find. And that’s from Dallas’ own reporters. Comment from McCarthy after the game…

“I didn’t have a good look at it. It’s football,” Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy said after the game. “It comes down to tight plays in the game. If it’s ticky-tack, I think we’re better off [not calling it].

“I would have taken the call. I’m not going to pick the flag up. Holding penalties in crunch time, I think it has to be a real foul there.”

 

[EddardSnow67]

It was a pretty close call. It's hard to say if Godwin or the DB's own momentum caused him to hit the ground.

With that said, I would have been fine if it was called, just like I'm fine with the no-call. But ultimately, there's a reason those are judgement calls in the rulebook and there's a reason PI review failed miserably. There are some aspects of football that are simply never going to be clear-cut.

I think the bottom line from my perspective is that the defensive back should have an idea that Godwin was going to cut the route short toward the sideline, considering the Bucs had no time outs. So I don't know why he was so worried about Godwin beating him over the top. Brady isn't making a downfield read in that situation and neither is Godwin, so why play it that way? If he's not on his heels, he has a chance to make a play on the ball.

You're playing a sideline route with 20 seconds left in the game when a field goal wins it and the offense has no timeouts. Be more aware of the situation.

 

[venecol]

To be or not to be.

 

[dtbrks]

Meh, a no call was probably the right call. As some have said, don't let the ref decide the outcome of the game unless it's an egregious foul.
all of this arguing over a game that didn't involve the Pats is amusing and annoying at the same time.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

YES!

You don't get to pick and choose how you apply relevancy with regards to which part of the play you choose to defend. That['s not how pass interference works. In this case, the defender had both arms around the receiver, preventing free movement. The receiver broke free, the defender flopped, and the officials considered it a non-call. As I have said before, I could understand either the non-call route or the offsetting penalties route, but the non-call was the better choice.

I really wish I could find those old threads complaining about Gronkowski’s OPIs. People saying that arm extension automatically means OPI…something tells me there‘s plenty of crow to serve up.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure… if the contact by itself is enough to drive the defender to the ground. In this case, the DB had to visibly flop because it wasn’t and an OPI call was his only shot on the play

Yeah, when someone gets pushed from the front, center mass, any natural neck movement would be forward, not back.

 

[venecol]

Meh, a no call was probably the right call. As some have said, don't let the ref decide the outcome of the game unless it's an egregious foul.
all of this arguing over a game that didn't involve the Pats is amusing and annoying at the same time.

Agree on arguing over 1 call but Pats play both these teams in Wks 4 & 6. It's good to see what they'll have to face. Both these teams are going to stress our secondary. Both QBs had pretty good protection.

 

[Deus Irae]

I really wish I could find those old threads complaining about Gronkowski’s OPIs. People saying that arm extension automatically means OPI…something tells me there‘s plenty of crow to serve up.

Well, let's just say that a bunch of the people here who are insisting it was OPI are people who've been whiny posters about Brady/Gronk things in recent times, are historically godawful analysts, or both.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well, let's just say that a bunch of the people here who are insisting it was OPI are people who've been whiny posters about Brady/Gronk things in recent times, are historically godawful analysts, or both.

Well, one guy is new: @MAC10

It’s almost like he’s harnessed stupidity through years of asinine comments and bs tactics. I guess these new members are just better prepared to make an ass of themselves immediately.

 

[Kontradiction]

Well, one guy is new: @MAC10

It’s almost like he’s harnessed stupidity through years of asinine comments and bs tactics. I guess these new members are just better prepared to make an ass of themselves immediately.

Not sure if serious, but click on his name and then click on this button…

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not sure if serious, but click on his name and then click on this button…

Thanks…didn’t know you could do that. No, wasn’t serious.

 

[PATS16N0]

Roethlisberger threw for 3803 yards, 33 TDs, and 10 INTs last year. He's not Brady and never was. But there is a chance he could start for another 2-4 years. If he is starting in his 40s, he has had well about the average longevity of a starting QB.

And you do not know if he has 2-3 more years. No one does. When players hit the age wall, many of them hit it fast and hard. Look at Favre. He went from a league MVP one year to being a shell of himself the next in his last season. And a lot of older players at the end of their career start out their final season looking like their old selves and over the course of the season start to fall off.

Again, I am not saying either of those scenarios will happen to Brady, but with him it is year to year on whether he will play at a high level. There is no guarantees he has two or three years left. And there are no guarantees that the wheels won't start to fall off as the season goes along.

Saying Brady has 2-3 years that he is competing for Super Bowls and Conference championships is just your Brady fandom. It could happen. But there is no guarantees.

Hell, we don't even know if he still plays at a high level for the next 2-3 years that he will have enough talent around him to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender. The Bucs look to be Super Bowl or bust this year and could break up the team next off season. So even if Brady is a great player for the next two or three years, he might be playing with subpar talent without Belichick to cover the holes on defense like he does in New England.

Fair point. Mine was primarily that the 1970’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’ metric can’t really be used because it doesn’t apply anymore.

In the 70s teams used to get **** faced on their bus, do a bunch of cocaine, and eat at Wafflehouse every day.

Tom Brady has taken it to the extreme so he’ll likely be an extreme scenario, but you’re going to start seeing a LOT of quarterbacks outplay the quarterbacks of old at higher ages going forward.

 

[patfanken]

Interception 1 was a screen pass that hit Fournette right on both of his hands, then bounced into the air for the pick

Interception 2 was from a hail mary at half time, which is more about the playcall than the QB

I only remember like 2 passes yesterday where Brady was slightly off on a throw, one of them was under incredible pressure while throwing off balance. He played lights out, looked like he was 25 years old out there

Thanks I missed about half the 2nd quarter and most of the 3rd. These days I'm suspicious of Picks as a exemplar of a QB's bad play when often times it is really out of his hand (pun not intended). Dak's was also not his fault. Any Hail Mary picks should also come with an asterisk.

 

[venecol]

Not sure if serious, but click on his name and then click on this button…

So he pulled an Andy Johnson. Is he denying it too?

 

[condon84]

So he pulled an Andy Johnson. Is he denying it too?

Curious, what's Andy Johnson new username?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well, one guy is new: @MAC10

It’s almost like he’s harnessed stupidity through years of asinine comments and bs tactics. I guess these new members are just better prepared to make an ass of themselves immediately.

Not sure if serious, but click on his name and then click on this button…

Thanks…didn’t know you could do that. No, wasn’t serious.

So he pulled an Andy Johnson. Is he denying it too?

Wow, you guys are quick. It's only mentioned in my signature.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well, let's just say that a bunch of the people here who are insisting it was OPI are people who've been whiny posters about Brady/Gronk things in recent times, are historically godawful analysts, or both.

And the ones who are most defensive of the non-call are the Bradyites. Your point?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Had an itch and scratched it.

Take a bath, then. Get those fleas off.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Wow, you guys are quick. It's only mentioned in my signature.

Welcome back.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wow, you guys are quick. It's only mentioned in my signature.

I don’t see signatures since most of my posts are done on my iPhone.