NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION ****** Other NFL Games Thread Week 1 ******

[venecol]

NBC's ref in the booth said it was 100% OPI. Who should we believe?

Dallas HC McCarthy is fine with no call. You think he's a Brady ball hugger too?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Looks like the CB was already falling backwards "before" Godwin extended his arm. Maybe that's why the "no call."

How can you tell without the All-22 not out yet?

 

[Deus Irae]

NBC's ref in the booth said it was 100% OPI. Who should we believe?

He gets it wrong all the time. Was this your first game or something?

 

[Deus Irae]

No the NFL does. And there is no rule for flopping. It is irrelevant. There is no rule in the playbook that requires a defender to fall to the ground for there to be OPI. And this isn't the NBA where there are specific rules against flopping.

Again, whether the defender flopped, fell to the ground if he was pushed, or stood upright had no bearing on the OPI. The fact that Godwin appears to push off and extend his arm doing so does because that is one of the ways how the NFL calls OPI and always has.

When you flop, you are trying to influence the official by either making something legal look illegal or making something illegal to some degree look even more egregious. So, no, it's not irrelevant, and an official who sees someone flopping can, should, and often does, take it into consideration.

As a matter of fact, this is something that's well enough understood across every applicable sport except, apparently, soccer, that the NFL and NHL even have rules against such actions, and will penalize and/or fine the flopper.

 

[Rob0729]

Dallas HC McCarthy is fine with no call. You think he's a Brady ball hugger too?

What is McCarthy to say? He says the ref blew it and there should have been called, he looks like a baby and it doesn't change the outcome. McCarthy is as controversial as melba toast. He would never call out an official. I bet if that play happened to the Steelers, Tomlin would have been ranting and raving about it because he doesn't give a **** about looking like a baby.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Typo ? a failure to understand the language

No, but your typos look like you don't even know our language.

And btw, nice of you to start this thread and then spend the entire night posting in the Gronkaneers forum, and then when the Bucs win, you come over here. Congrats on last night's win.

 

[condon84]

He gets it wrong all the time. Was this your first game or something?

Funny you mentioned Skip, Shannon, and all those dumb agenda driven talking heads who supported the no call as proof that the no call was justified. Yet you question an actual unbiased ref

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Funny you mentioned Skip, Shannon, and all those dumb agenda driven talking heads who supported the no call as proof that the no call was justified. Yet you question an actual unbiased ref

Terry McAulay is not just any ref. He's reffed in 3 super bowls, but Deus the assistant DA is more knowledgeable.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Funny how this game is still being discussed. It’s only discussed because a few posters on here are really mad Brady came out victorious.

Any other game this board could care less of a possible OPI call.

 

[Rob0729]

When you flop, you are trying to influence the official by either making something legal look illegal or making something illegal to some degree look even more egregious. So, no, it's not irrelevant, and an official who sees someone flopping can, should, and often does, take it into consideration.

As a matter of fact, this is something that's well enough understood across every spot except, apparently, soccer, that the NFL and NHL even have rules against such actions, and will penalize and/or fine the flopper.

I must have missed it when the ref called for OPI and the it was overturned in review. I must have flipped the channel. Thanks for pointing it out. That makes it totally different. /sarcasm

A flop is only relevant if the ref calls pass interference based on that flop. If the ref does not call pass interference after the flop, then it becomes irrelevant. And it is your OPINION he flopped.

Again, Godwin appeared to push off before the defender even started to fall. If the defender didn't fall, I don't think anyone's opinion about the play changes. It certainly doesn't make a difference in how I saw the play because the defender falling to the ground doesn't change the push off.

And who cares if other sports have rules against flopping. The NFL doesn't. So that is 100% irrelevant. And again, it is your opinion he flopped. I personally think he fell because he was just had bad footing and would have gone down from any contact.

 

[venecol]

No, but your typos look like you don't even know our language.

And btw, nice of you to start this thread and then spend the entire night posting in the Gronkaneers forum, and then when the Bucs win, you come over here. Congrats on last night's win.

Wait, you were lurking the Gronkaneers thread? Old habits die hard huh. I remember when you were a Top 5 poster in that thread, before your name change. Lmao

 

[ashley]

Bayless is a Cowboys honk. No OPI
Thannon Tharpe is an anti-Brady guy. No OPI.
The defender, Lewis, was anti-Bucs last night. No OPI.

I look at it like this:

Bayless..very pro Brady..wonder what his opinion would have been if Dallas was playing anyone else...I think we all know.
Shannon- very anti Dallas.

I think if you ask impartial people their thoughts, you'll get a 50/50 response. If you ask a Buc fan or a Cowboy fan their thoughts we know what it will be as evidenced by this board's response and who they were rooting for.

 

[venecol]

I must have missed it when the ref called for OPI and the it was overturned in review. I must have flipped the channel. Thanks for pointing it out. That makes it totally different. /sarcasm

A flop is only relevant if the ref calls pass interference based on that flop. If the ref does not call pass interference after the flop, then it becomes irrelevant. And it is your OPINION he flopped.

Again, Godwin appeared to push off before the defender even started to fall. If the defender didn't fall, I don't think anyone's opinion about the play changes. It certainly doesn't make a difference in how I saw the play because the defender falling to the ground doesn't change the push off.

And who cares if other sports have rules against flopping. The NFL doesn't. So that is 100% irrelevant. And again, it is your opinion he flopped. I personally think he fell because he was just had bad footing and would have gone down from any contact.

Rob, did you not see both players state that it was a fine play, that no call was fine? Why are you spending so much time on being right about this one play? Who GAF? Bucs hardly got a pass on penalties called against them.

Penalties:
Bucs: 11 for 106
Boys: 8 for 55

 

[Deus Irae]

I look at it like this:

Bayless..very pro Brady..wonder what his opinion would have been if Dallas was playing anyone else...I think we all know.
Shannon- very anti Dallas.

I think if you ask impartial people their thoughts, you'll get a 50/50 response. If you ask a Buc fan or a Cowboy fan their thoughts we know what it will be as evidenced by this board's response and who they were rooting for.

As I've said, it's a call that could/should have been either made against both or neither, because it's a ticky-tack penalty by both, if it's a penalty at all. I've got no problem with anyone who wants to argue that both committed P.I.. I just can't take anyone who argues that it was only on Godwin seriously, because such a position requires blindness, willful or real.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob, did you not see both players state that it was a fine play, that no call was fine? Why are you spending so much time on being right about this one play? Who GAF? Bucs hardly got a pass on penalties called against them.

Penalties:
Bucs: 11 for 106
Boys: 8 for 55

Again, what are they supposed to say.

And I am not the only one arguing this. But notice that it only the Bucs/Brady fans on this board who are arguing it isn't OPI.

Why are you not asking this question of the people who think flopping is relevant because it is illegal in other sports but not the NFL?

 

[condon84]

Dallas HC McCarthy is fine with no call. You think he's a Brady ball hugger too?

Thinly veiled attempt at criticizing the refs for the holding penalties his team received in their drives.

"I would have taken the call. I wouldn’t have asked them to pick the flag up. But holding penalties and things in clutch times, I think it has to be a real foul there."

 

[JarOfMayo51]

4. I didn't see the 2 picks so I don't know what his culpability was

Interception 1 was a screen pass that hit Fournette right on both of his hands, then bounced into the air for the pick

Interception 2 was from a hail mary at half time, which is more about the playcall than the QB

I only remember like 2 passes yesterday where Brady was slightly off on a throw, one of them was under incredible pressure while throwing off balance. He played lights out, looked like he was 25 years old out there

 

[Deus Irae]

Thinly veiled attempt at criticizing the refs for the holding penalties his team received in their drives.

"I would have taken the call. I wouldn’t have asked them to pick the flag up. But holding penalties and things in clutch times, I think it has to be a real foul there."

McCarthy's statement was not an attempt at criticism. He was saying that he wouldn't have refused a penalty call of that sort. Nobody refuses a penalty call of that sort. Coaches decline penalties that end up with an outcome they'd prefer not happen (i.e. a call that would not result in a first down, when the play resulted in a first down). Coaches don't go up to officials and say "I don't think that was pass interference, so I'm going to decline the penalty".

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Brady looked great but it is a long season at age 44. Wouldn't over react after 1 game. Hope he can last 17 games but that is not easy.

He barely got touched the entire game, if the Bucs can continue to protect him like that then he may very well break Manning's TD record, which should be a little easier with an extra game in the schedule

 

[sambam94]

watching Brady last night with all those weapons just makes you wonder "what if"...Bill just gave him some talent at the WR position. TB can fit a boatlod of talent on both sides of the ball under the cap, yet the Pats could never even give Brady a #1 WR?