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[Kontradiction]

I can't tell if it is a grab from that picture. I posted the video and it looks from that that he had his hand on the back. And there was no tug of the jersey which would be almost required in a situation where both players are going for the ball. In fact ,from what I saw on the video, if the defender did grab the jersey it was slightly before the image you posted. The image you posted it is clear that there is no grab at that point.

And the rule says that pass interference only occurs if the defender "significantly hinders an eligible receiver from catching the ball". So even if he did grab the jersey there, it isn't pass interference especially since he was looking back for the ball. The "grab" did nothing to hinder Godwin's ability to catch the ball.

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So I’ll pose you the same question - tell me, in detail, how a DB playing inside leverage and already backtracking (before the “extension”) instead of driving toward the ball, could have made a play on an outside throw without committing DPI. Be very specific.

And a flop is irrelevant. The most important part of the play on whether it was OPI was whether he pushed off and it appears he did. A flop might draw attention to an OPI or deceive a ref into thinking there was OPI and throw a flag. But since the ref didn't call it a penalty, it is completely irrelevant. If the ref did, then you might have a point.

The flop isn’t irrelevant just because you want it to be. Doesn’t work that way, Rob. This isn’t soccer or basketball. The DB had no shot at making a play on the ball so he tried to draw a penalty by flopping. If that got flagged for OPI on a regular basis, it would be yet another step toward the game getting ruined. Referees should not be rewarding that at a key point in the game. Moreover, the players themselves both said what I’m saying now. It was routine hand fighting. Now, if the corner had outside leverage and his feet were moving forward (I.E., driving on the ball), you’d have a better argument. But that didn’t happen, so your argument is taking on water like the Titanic after it smashed into that iceberg.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Kargetina]

Dak was the victim of bad drops by Lamb. Two of those drops led directly to touchdowns for Tampa. Both QBs had some bad luck last night, but I would give the edge statswise to Dak, who had a much higher completion percentage and QBR without Michael Gallup playing the whole game or Zach Martin. Brady, on the other hand, played with his full set of offensive players.

Dak Prescott

42/58

403

6.9

3

1

1-12

74.3

101.4

Tom Brady

32/50

379

7.6

4

2

0-0

65.3

97.0

Brady had two INT's, one directly in the hands of his player and another on a Hail Mary, that torpedoed his QBR and 3 throws he deliberately threw out of bounds to run out the the clock at the end of the game. Other than those little things and the conveniently omitted drops by Godwin, Evans and Brown, you're right, Dak had better stats.

Your bias against Brady makes your posts completely unreadable.

 

[Pape]

100% offensive pass interference. there was no "jockeying" for position by both players whatsoever. A lot of the Bucs receivers, I noticed, get away with pushing off, including Evans, Gronk, and Godwin.

There was , at the very least, no "bear hug" by the defender... It's posturing to say there was... We've seen flags thrown on plays like that, and no flags as well...

Imo it's opi... But im not the guy with a flag in my pocket...

What I find funny about it all is those arguing for the non call is it seems they are desperate to prove the no call was right, as if a blown call besmirches the legitimacy of the win... It doesn't. Bucs won Dallas lost.

It has no impact on the Patriots. None. It's just used as another "point" in the bb vs tb silly nonsensical argument that tops some posters agenda here...

 

[Kontradiction]

Where's the grab in that still shot? Is it the hand on the jersey or the other had trying to grab his arm when Godwin pushed him off? Because when you watch the video I don't see his hand on the jersey grabbing anything and his other arm is getting pushed off.

Guarantee if this was a Patriot defender against a Dolphin receiver we all would be unanimous on it being OPI

I wouldn’t. Because I don’t see how a corner playing inside leverage, backtracking, and trying to defend an outside throw merits OPI. I don’t see how he could have possibly defended that without committing DPI. But yes, most of the board would be screaming about that. You’re right there. There’s a ton of homers here.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady had two INT's, one directly in the hands of his player and another on a Hail Mary, that torpedoed his QBR and 3 throws he deliberately threw out of bounds to run out the the clock at the end of the game. Other than those little things and the conveniently omitted drops by Godwin, Evans and Brown, you're right, Dak had better stats.

Your bias against Brady makes your posts completely unreadable.

And Dak had balls consistently dropped by Lamb. One drop led to an INT. C'mon man, it's not as if Dak didn't have any bad luck last night either with his kicker missing FGs, the dropped passes, and an excellent receiver in Gallup being out. If you told me at the beginning of the game that Dak would have comparable stats (and be ahead in a few categories) to Brady, I would have laughed. Give Dak his due. Just because Tommy got the GW drive and was helped by a major non-call, it doesn't mean Dak was just "solid" as reamer says.

 

[ashley]

I'm a Patriots fan, always have been. Rooting for Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, Jr to have a great end to his Hall of Fame career doesn't make me a "bad Patriots fan."

Just like TommyBrady12 being constantly salty and rooting against the GOAT doesn't make him a "good Pats fan."

With all due respect, is there some type of Loyalty Oath we're supposed to take to be considered "proper" Patriots fans? If so, I didn't get the memo.

You can root for whoever you'd like to, for me personally, I can't root for someone that isn't on my team. I love what Tom did for us, but now he's on another team. Same goes for Bill, I love what he has done for us, but the minute he leaves us and coaches elsewhere, I'm not rooting for him or that team.

 

[oldrover]

On the no call Goodwin Pass Interference......I think it's real simple....if you're a Tampa fan (which there seems to be a lot of these days) you're going to think it wasn't pass interference, if you hate the Bucs(which there also seems to be a lot of) you're going to think it was pass interference.

If it was a Patriot receiver, I would be very happy, if it was a Patriot defender, I'd be very upset.

 

[condon84]

I wouldn’t. Because I don’t see how a corner playing inside leverage, backtracking, and trying to defend an outside throw merits OPI. I don’t see how he could have possibly defended that without committing DPI. But yes, most of the board would be screaming about that. You’re right there. There’s a ton of homers here.

I just dont see a grab from the corner like you suggested. You see his left hand trying to grab Godwin's arm when he was falling in the video. You can argue that he was falling from his momentum because of bad technique but in most cases, when a receiver has his arm extended like this and the defender falls, refs are going to call OPI

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I wouldn’t. Because I don’t see how a corner playing inside leverage, backtracking, and trying to defend an outside throw merits OPI. I don’t see how he could have possibly defended that without committing DPI. But yes, most of the board would be screaming about that. You’re right there. There’s a ton of homers here.

He was clearly helped to the ground by Godwin pushing him, even if the DB is backtracking. Would he have lost his balance and fell to the ground regardless? We don't know. Bottom line is if the receiver intentionally lends any assistance to the DB going to the ground it should be flagged as OPI (and I'm not talking about feet getting tangled). Maybe the DB wouldn't have been able to make a play on the ball, but what if it hits him (gets lucky) and the pass falls incomplete?

 

[Pape]

I’m glad Tommy went to the Bucs, destroyed all his haters narratives, and I hope he wins multiple more rings there.

Last year Brady made sure you never had to hear another serious ——gate accusation invalidating your championships ever again.

Frankly, I’m so soured on Bill, I hope he slaughters us week 4, goes undefeated, and hoists a 20-0 Lombardi.

There is just all kinds of wrong in the post... Smh...

As JE11 would say, Foxboro Forever

 

[Kargetina]

 

[Rob0729]

So I’ll pose you the same question - tell me, in detail, how a DB playing inside leverage and already backtracking (before the “extension”) instead of driving toward the ball, could have made a play on an outside throw without committing DPI. Be very specific.



The flop isn’t irrelevant just because you want it to be. Doesn’t work that way, Rob. This isn’t soccer or basketball. The DB had no shot at making a play on the ball so he tried to draw a penalty by flopping. If that got flagged for OPI on a regular basis, it would be yet another step toward the game getting ruined. Referees should not be rewarding that at a key point in the game. Moreover, the players themselves both said what I’m saying now. It was routine hand fighting. Now, if the corner had outside leverage and his feet were moving forward (I.E., driving on the ball), you’d have a better argument. But that didn’t happen, so your argument is taking on water like the Titanic after it smashed into that iceberg.

The flop is irrelevant because no flag was thrown. It isn't relevant because you want it to be. Again, I and a large number of people think it was OPI because Godwin pushed off, not because the defender fell to the ground. In fact, I think Collinsworth said that the defender would have probably fallen to the ground either way and the push off didn't cause it. You keep saying that the flop is relevant because the ref shouldn't be giving out calls because the defender flops to the ground. BUT THE REF DIDN'T CALL OPI. Whether he flopped or not, it didn't affect how the refs judged the play.

And the defender has the right to the ball if he is looking back to the ball. And he could have most certainly got his hand on the ball from what I saw. He might not have been able to catch it but he could have certainly been able to get his hand in there and break up the pass and that is enough for NFL standards.

I am guessing that if it was Amari Cooper who pushed off a Bucs defender, I assume you and others on this board would be saying it was clearly OPI like @ashley1992.

I don't blame that call on the Cowboys' loss or say the Bucs only won because of it. The Cowboys had too many blown opportunities to to win the game to blame it on one call or non-call. And I think the Bucs had several bad calls or non-calls go against them too. But I think that was OPI and pretty clearly. But a lot of good WRs get away with it. Moss did a lot when he was here. That is how the NFL works.

 

[condon84]

Brady played great last night. They only got stopped when they made self inflicted mistakes. This offense looks as good as any of the top Pats offenses Brady led. They may not have the top tier talents like 07 Moss or Prime Gronk, but they have more high end talents across the board imo. It's a long season and a lot of things can happen but that offense looks incredible.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You can root for whoever you'd like to, for me personally, I can't root for someone that isn't on my team. I love what Tom did for us, but now he's on another team. Same goes for Bill, I love what he has done for us, but the minute he leaves us and coaches elsewhere, I'm not rooting for him or that team.

We are a mafia-like family here. Either you're in or out. Brady is out.

 

[ashley]

We are a mafia-like family here. Either you're in or out. Brady is out.

I never thought about it like that Mac 10, lol, but yeah, I agree....if you are not on this team, I can't root for you. That goes for Tom, Bill or whoever leaves us. ps.great name!!!!

 

[venecol]

You can root for whoever you'd like to, for me personally, I can't root for someone that isn't on my team. I love what Tom did for us, but now he's on another team. Same goes for Bill, I love what he has done for us, but the minute he leaves us and coaches elsewhere, I'm not rooting for him or that team.

Fair enough. I'm a player person. I root for players. Players make the team. The "team" is owned by one of the 32 that makes up the NFL. Not a fan of the 32.

Whenever a former Patriots player leaves the team or is traded and they were a good player, I always wish them well and root for their success. This is especially true if they made an impact while on the team, like Danny or Brady.

Funny thing is I started disliking Brady. I was a Bledsoe guy and thought Tommy was too ****y. I'm glad I was wrong. He gave us the best 20 years that a player can give any franchise.

 

[Deus Irae]

Typo ? a failure to understand the language

 

[Deus Irae]

You have no idea what your talking about.

Thank God you said that. Now I know I'm right.

 

[Deus Irae]

You can change your name TommyBrady12 but you're as salty as ever.

Year starting out exactly how it ended for you last year. It's going to be a long one for you suffering week after week. Lmao

That's TommyBrady12?





That explains such idiotic postings.