NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION ****** Other NFL Games Thread Week 1 ******

[ashley]

You can change your name TommyBrady12 but you're as salty as ever.

Year starting out exactly how it ended for you last year. It's going to be a long one for you suffering week after week. Lmao

The Poster, regardless of their name is obviously a Patriot fan, this is a Patriot fan site. Which team do you root for, or do I even have to ask that? Let's please move on with this pointless conversation.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I must have missed this one...without trying to destroy the thread, I just thought it was worth a chuckle that someone could unintentionally come up with these words during a broadcast...

 

[ashley]

That's quite the warm take that the Pats have a top 5 offense this year. Lots of pressure on Mac to make that happen. Guess we'll see. I do think the Pats run game if Harris stays healthy is going to be special and maybe top 3 or better in the league.

Surprised to see us at 5, kind of surprised to see the Browns at 4 as well, but I haven't thought about it too much...the top two there are no doubts, I guess with Allen playing at a high level last year, I don't have a problem with them either.

 

[Sicilian]

Regardless of the call, Lewis' reaction is the ultimate truth: If the game is close enough that one borderline call swings the outcome one way or another, you can't really complain about it. They had chances to win the game before that and didn't make the plays.

 

[Rob0729]

I get it but they aren’t competing with Tom’s performances and they’re 6 years younger.

Obviously Tom isn’t going to be taking hits when he’s 50 but if he has two or three more seasons where he’s competing for Superbowls and Conference championships, Father Time is kind of a moot point.

Roethlisberger threw for 3803 yards, 33 TDs, and 10 INTs last year. He's not Brady and never was. But there is a chance he could start for another 2-4 years. If he is starting in his 40s, he has had well about the average longevity of a starting QB.

And you do not know if he has 2-3 more years. No one does. When players hit the age wall, many of them hit it fast and hard. Look at Favre. He went from a league MVP one year to being a shell of himself the next in his last season. And a lot of older players at the end of their career start out their final season looking like their old selves and over the course of the season start to fall off.

Again, I am not saying either of those scenarios will happen to Brady, but with him it is year to year on whether he will play at a high level. There is no guarantees he has two or three years left. And there are no guarantees that the wheels won't start to fall off as the season goes along.

Saying Brady has 2-3 years that he is competing for Super Bowls and Conference championships is just your Brady fandom. It could happen. But there is no guarantees.

Hell, we don't even know if he still plays at a high level for the next 2-3 years that he will have enough talent around him to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender. The Bucs look to be Super Bowl or bust this year and could break up the team next off season. So even if Brady is a great player for the next two or three years, he might be playing with subpar talent without Belichick to cover the holes on defense like he does in New England.

 

[sb1]

The Poster, regardless of their name is obviously a Patriot fan, this is a Patriot fan site. Which team do you root for, or do I even have to ask that? Let's please move on with this pointless conversation.

I dunno Ash - that poster until recently also had a sig gloating about Brady and the Patriots losing a certain Super Bowl game that none of us want to think about. Just to make some point to Brady fans here I guess...whatever that is.

 

[sb1]

Surprised to see us at 5, kind of surprised to see the Browns at 4 as well, but I haven't thought about it too much...the top two there are no doubts, I guess with Allen playing at a high level last year, I don't have a problem with them either.

If the Pats really do have a top 5 offense right now with a rookie QB then I think there will be lots to get excited about around here for the next several years.

 

[Rob0729]

On the no call Goodwin Pass Interference......I think it's real simple....if you're a Tampa fan (which there seems to be a lot of these days) you're going to think it wasn't pass interference, if you hate the Bucs(which there also seems to be a lot of) you're going to think it was pass interference.

If it was a Patriot receiver, I would be very happy, if it was a Patriot defender, I'd be very upset.

I don't know. A lot of people with no skin in the game have called it OPI. I still root for Brady (when he isn't playing the Patriots or a Tampa win doesn't hurt the Pats) and hate the Cowboys and believe it was OPI.

I don't think it was the most blatant example of OPI, but I always believed that if you extend the arm (which Godwin does) it is OPI.

 

[sb1]

Wow. Don't get me wrong I really hope the 2021 Pats live up to all of this but... that's piping hot. The AFC is stacked.

 

[sb1]

I don't know. A lot of people with no skin in the game have called it OPI. I still root for Brady (when he isn't playing the Patriots or a Tampa win doesn't hurt the Pats) and hate the Cowboys and believe it was OPI.

I don't think it was the most blatant example of OPI, but I always believed that if you extend the arm (which Godwin does) it is OPI.

I think we'll see a lot more egregious OPI non calls this weekend than that one.

 

[Kontradiction]

Here is the video. The defender was looking back to the ball. He can have contact with the receiver. It looks like his hand brushed against his back, but you cannot tell if it was an actual grab. The pads move, but that part of the pads looks clear to be hanging loose and would have moved with a pull or a bush.

And it is looks clear to me that Godwin pushed and extended the arm. Whether the defender flopped or not is irrelevant. OPI doesn't require you to knock down the defender.

It was a bad non-call. It wasn't the only bad call or non-call in the game. I don't think either team drew a noticeable amount of the favorable calls over the the other team. This non-call just happened at the biggest part of the game.

Here’s the grab…



Clear as day. It’s routine hand fighting that goes on every game in the NFL. The flop is very far from irrelevant. Referees should not be rewarding that. Especially when it’s clear as day that he flopped like a fish when he knew he lost leverage on the route.

The DB had inside leverage at the snap and maintained it throughout the route. The throw went to the outside shoulder. He lost. Unless Godwin benches 200+ pounds with one arm, there’s no way and extension could send him flying like this…



Inside leverage on a throw going towards the outside. Most corners are going to lose that every time unless you’re one of the greats.

 

[Kontradiction]

I didn't see any grabbing of Godwin's jersey in the below clip, unless it happened beforehand. I didn't see a "flop" either. Flops are usually much more obvious than that. If there was any PI by the defender, then it should have been offsetting penalties. I'd take the word of a former super bowl referree over yours.

You don’t see either the grab or the flop because you clearly don’t want to see it. Appeals to former authorities are useless when the players themselves admitted it was routine hand fighting. But please, grace us all with some knowledge, Tommy. Tell me how it would have been possible for the DB, playing inside leverage and backtracking before the arm extension, to break up an outside throw without DPI.

 

[ashley]

I don't know. A lot of people with no skin in the game have called it OPI. I still root for Brady (when he isn't playing the Patriots or a Tampa win doesn't hurt the Pats) and hate the Cowboys and believe it was OPI.

I don't think it was the most blatant example of OPI, but I always believed that if you extend the arm (which Godwin does) it is OPI.

Yeah, I'm like you Rob, no skin in the game, if the ref makes the call, one team is going to be upset, if he doesn't make the call, the other team is going to be upset. I'm just glad it wasn't us that was involved...

 

[WaterfallJumper]

I think what Dallas showed last night was a bit of a blueprint on how to slow down the Bucs, at least. Dominate the TOP with short passes to the outside, not allowing their pass rush to get to the QB. On defense, you just need to get Brady off his spot as he's not great throwing the ball on the run. Get Brady moving around and force incompletions and bad throws. If there is one weakness he has is that he sometimes forces things that aren't there - we've seen that plenty of times.

Dak played exceptionally last night, in fact, I would say he outplayed Brady, especially for someone who hadn't taken a meaningful snap since early 2020 season. If he continues to play like that, the Cowboys are going to make some noise in the weak NFC east for sure.

So the blueprint is for the skill players to pop balls up in the air for interceptions, or to inexplicably not keep the ball high and tight through contact? Because the Bucs still scored 30+ and could have easily had 40 if not for some ill-timed turnovers. I think any team will take that as a slow day lol. And I'm not sure how you can in good faith argue that Dak outplayed Brady last night. He was solid, but Brady made quicker reads, put his team in better situations, and consistently played at an elite level.

 

[Uptown]

Arm clearly never fully extends..wtf were some of you watching..?..

 

[Rob0729]

Here’s the grab…



Clear as day. It’s routine hand fighting that goes on every game in the NFL. The flop is very far from irrelevant. Referees should not be rewarding that. Especially when it’s clear as day that he flopped like a fish when he knew he lost leverage on the route.

The DB had inside leverage at the snap and maintained it throughout the route. The throw went to the outside shoulder. He lost. Unless Godwin benches 200+ pounds with one arm, there’s no way and extension could send him flying like this…



Inside leverage on a throw going towards the outside. Most corners are going to lose that every time unless you’re one of the greats.

I can't tell if it is a grab from that picture. I posted the video and it looks from that that he had his hand on the back. And there was no tug of the jersey which would be almost required in a situation where both players are going for the ball. In fact ,from what I saw on the video, if the defender did grab the jersey it was slightly before the image you posted. The image you posted it is clear that there is no grab at that point.

And the rule says that pass interference only occurs if the defender "significantly hinders an eligible receiver from catching the ball". So even if he did grab the jersey there, it isn't pass interference especially since he was looking back for the ball. The "grab" did nothing to hinder Godwin's ability to catch the ball.

Defensive Pass Interference | NFL Football Operations

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And a flop is irrelevant. The most important part of the play on whether it was OPI was whether he pushed off and it appears he did. A flop might draw attention to an OPI or deceive a ref into thinking there was OPI and throw a flag. But since the ref didn't call it a penalty, it is completely irrelevant. If the ref did, then you might have a point.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So the blueprint is for the skill players to pop balls up in the air for interceptions, or to inexplicably not keep the ball high and tight through contact? Because the Bucs still scored 30+ and could have easily had 40 if not for some ill-timed turnovers. I think any team will take that as a slow day lol. And I'm not sure how you can in good faith argue that Dak outplayed Brady last night. He was solid, but Brady made quicker reads, put his team in better situations, and consistently played at an elite level.

Dak was the victim of bad drops by Lamb. Two of those drops led directly to touchdowns for Tampa. Both QBs had some bad luck last night, but I would give the edge statswise to Dak, who had a much higher completion percentage and QBR without Michael Gallup playing the whole game or Zach Martin. Brady, on the other hand, played with his full set of offensive players.

Dak Prescott

42/58

403

6.9

3

1

1-12

74.3

101.4

Tom Brady

32/50

379

7.6

4

2

0-0

65.3

97.0

 

[captain stone]

I don't know. A lot of people with no skin in the game have called it OPI. I still root for Brady (when he isn't playing the Patriots or a Tampa win doesn't hurt the Pats) and hate the Cowboys and believe it was OPI.

I don't think it was the most blatant example of OPI, but I always believed that if you extend the arm (which Godwin does) it is OPI.

Kinda where I am...It's always funny to watch Jerruh Jones during a loss; and I'll root for Brady under the conditions set above... But if I were the zebra just a few feet away, I would've called OPI... Offenses get away with so much ****ing sh!t already, because chicks dig the long ball, safety be damned...

P.S.: Sean Hockyoulee's crew last night were, in the words of Marv Levy, a bunch of over-officious jerks...except when it actually mattered...

 

[venecol]

The Poster, regardless of their name is obviously a Patriot fan, this is a Patriot fan site. Which team do you root for, or do I even have to ask that? Let's please move on with this pointless conversation.

I'm a Patriots fan, always have been. Rooting for Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, Jr to have a great end to his Hall of Fame career doesn't make me a "bad Patriots fan."

Just like TommyBrady12 being constantly salty and rooting against the GOAT doesn't make him a "good Pats fan."

With all due respect, is there some type of Loyalty Oath we're supposed to take to be considered "proper" Patriots fans? If so, I didn't get the memo.

 

[condon84]

Here’s the grab…



Clear as day. It’s routine hand fighting that goes on every game in the NFL. The flop is very far from irrelevant. Referees should not be rewarding that. Especially when it’s clear as day that he flopped like a fish when he knew he lost leverage on the route.

The DB had inside leverage at the snap and maintained it throughout the route. The throw went to the outside shoulder. He lost. Unless Godwin benches 200+ pounds with one arm, there’s no way and extension could send him flying like this…



Inside leverage on a throw going towards the outside. Most corners are going to lose that every time unless you’re one of the greats.

Where's the grab in that still shot? Is it the hand on the jersey or the other had trying to grab his arm when Godwin pushed him off? Because when you watch the video I don't see his hand on the jersey grabbing anything and his other arm is getting pushed off.

Guarantee if this was a Patriot defender against a Dolphin receiver we all would be unanimous on it being OPI