Should we extend Gilmore - Poll

[Schmo]

BB's gonna do whatever nets him that 3rd round comp. I'm guessing rework 2021 and let him walk after this season. Better too early than too late.

1 year extention (rework 2021, plus 2022) would be best case for the pats IMO.

I see Gilmore shooting for a deal through 2024.

 

[Clonamery]

BB's gonna do whatever nets him that 3rd round comp. I'm guessing rework 2021 and let him walk after this season. Better too early than too late.

1 year extention (rework 2021, plus 2022) would be best case for the pats IMO.

I see Gilmore shooting for a deal through 2024.

Players who have 10 or more accrued seasons may yield only a max of a 5th rd pick.

 

[Pape]

He has 2 years left. An 1-2 year extension means 3-4 years.

I believe that the patriots and other teams would be willing to sign a 4 year contract. Obviously, the issue is terms, especially guarantees. Consider a team offering $30M in guarantees (bonus and 2021 and 2022 salary) plus whatever in the 3rd and 4th years.

this is his last year under contract. a 1 to 2 year extension means 1-2 years.

 

[amfootball]

This may be the first response you've ever had I agree on in premise - even if said with the usual dismissive tone of all things Patriots.

The premise of measuring his worth across return on the investment of THIS year. Even if he is close to elite this year, those odds of continued high level play plummet every successive year for the CB position at his age. And this team can be a playoff team, maybe even a more than one round if all the variables swing their way, but a Super Bowl contender - probably not. And I doubt Gilmore is agreeing to just pumped up money for one year (I could be wrong, but he likely knows he's not getting another big long term contract as well).

I think it is bad business or bad GMing I suppose to only entertain the thought of extending a great player on whether the team can win the SB. Part of winning the SB is having great players like Gilmore on the roster. I can tell you without him, we probably have no chance at the playoffs unless Jackson morphs into a #1 during TC. We are playing too many great teams this year with some of the best passing attacks/QBs in the league.

Also, don't forget how invaluable he is to our younger DBs in terms of helping them develop. It is rare to have a QB of Gilmore's level of excellence and work ethic. He is pretty much the only top CB in the last several years who is not a diva.

 

[amfootball]

He has 2 years left. An 1-2 year extension means 3-4 years.

I believe that the patriots and other teams would be willing to sign a 4 year contract. Obviously, the issue is terms, especially guarantees. Consider a team offering $30M in guarantees (bonus and 2021 and 2022 salary) plus whatever in the 3rd and 4th years.

This is his last year on his current deal. If we give him a 2 year extension then we would have him through the 2023 season. I think that is perfect.

 

[sean10mm]

It depends on the specifics, but barring some really kookoobanannas demands I want Gilmore to stay.

 

[jays52]

Give him four years. Move him to free safety when he loses a step and McCourty retires.

 

[mgteich]

this is his last year under contract. a 1 to 2 year extension means 1-2 years.

Thank you for the correction. A 1-2 year extension means 1-2 MORE years in addition to 2021.

 

[PScottman]

I think it is bad business or bad GMing I suppose to only entertain the thought of extending a great player on whether the team can win the SB.

I guess I didn't cover that it's not the SB part that's the investment return (sure, it'd be pretty sweet, but Cam isn't winning it and a rookie...pretty damn tall order).

It's not getting BACK into cap inflexibility Hell. This is a second assessment year with greater odds of leveraging that assessment into success in this season as well as better ensuring that longer term. Gilmore is short term.

 

[mgteich]

The reality is that patriots have Gilmore for $7M, $15M or so, and $18M or so. Unless a lot changes, Gilmore will easily be worth a 1 year contract under the franchise tag, and perhaps another after that (all to be decided at the time).

If we really believe that the players should simply meet their contractual obligations, and make no noise, then there really is almost no issue. The team can simply keep him for cheap in 2021 and at a reasonable price in 2022. If he isn't worth the tag in 2022, then we certainly don't want to extend him at market rates.

I think that the reality is that Gilmore won't be happy camper if there are no contract adjustments or a new contract. That being said, many caches would simply ignore the nonsense, given that the player is under contract.
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That isn't my view. I think that there are indeed different rules for the very best players on a team. On almost all good teams, there are players who command such treatment. We don't have many (is there another?). Gilmore is certainly one.

 

[amfootball]

I guess I didn't cover that it's not the SB part that's the investment return (sure, it'd be pretty sweet, but Cam isn't winning it and a rookie...pretty damn tall order).

It's not getting BACK into cap inflexibility Hell. This is a second assessment year with greater odds of leveraging that assessment into success in this season as well as better ensuring that longer term. Gilmore is short term.

I bet you thought the 2001 Pats had no chance at the SB as well.

Paying Gilmore will not put us close to cap hell. We have a TON of money next year. We have Jones on a rookie deal. Our entire QB room is well under $10 mil. We should be spending on the defense and a player of Gilmore's stature in the short term.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I bet you thought the 2001 Pats had no chance at the SB as well.

I’ll take it a step further, I thought Brady wouldn’t be on the team for very long. Granted, I was living on the opposite side of the US and didn’t have access to team/player information like we do now. I had to rely on national magazines or when someone from ESPN would do their annual training camp visits.

 

[mgteich]

QUESTIONS
Is Gilmore our best player?
Is Gilmore expected to be our best player in 2022?
Does it matter? After all, everyone should be treated the same; the NFL is a business.

 

[TheRainMaker]

QUESTIONS
Is Gilmore our best player?
Is Gilmore expected to be our best player in 2022?
Does it matter? After all, everyone should be treated the same; the NFL is a business.

Assuming he’s healthy, yes. Although last year wasn’t his best year, he seemed like he was checked out mentally.

 

[mgteich]

BB's gonna do whatever nets him that 3rd round comp. I'm guessing rework 2021 and let him walk after this season. Better too early than too late.

1 year extention (rework 2021, plus 2022) would be best case for the pats IMO.

I see Gilmore shooting for a deal through 2024.

To maximize compensation, I suspect the best way is to franchise him after the season. Of course, we may find that this a very reasonable salary for 2022.

 

[Schmo]

Players who have 10 or more accrued seasons may yield only a max of a 5th rd pick.

Thought we got a 3rd for Brady. Am I missing something?

 

[DarrylS]

Gilmore is under contract with this team, which was negotiated by his agent on his behalf, which has been renegotiated at least once. He should honor that contract. The team will be better with him...

BB saw how good Gilmore was and he needs to recognize that his time with the Pats essentially elevated his stature in the NFL.

I do not understand his argument and hope the Pats do not overpay for him..

 

[Wozzy]

Gilmore is under contract with this team, which was negotiated by his agent on his behalf, which has been renegotiated at least once. He should honor that contract. The team will be better with him...

BB saw how good Gilmore was and he needs to recognize that his time with the Pats essentially elevated his stature in the NFL.

I do not understand his argument and hope the Pats do not overpay for him..

Players in the final year of their deal are right to negotiate ahead of time. Football is one of the few sports with a high probability of injury, paralysis or even death. Playing without a contract is flying without a parachute.

If they had abnormally high salaries with security it would be one thing, but every other sport have guaranteed deals with lower risk. Teams can often cut players with little to no risk for performance. Negotiations always start before the final year of a deal and Gilmore isn’t (shouldn’t) play for 7 million a year removed from being the best defender in the NFL.

 

[borg]

Players in the final year of their deal are right to negotiate ahead of time.

Takes two sides to negotiate

Playing without a contract is flying without a parachute.

Everyone plays with a contract

Negotiations always start before the final year of a deal

Not always

and Gilmore isn’t (shouldn’t) play for 7 million a year

Why do so many refuse to include upfront paid bonuses when characterizing each year of compensation?
Pretending signing bonuses are irrelevant is an ignorant stance given a player would have to repay a pro-rated portion of that signing bonus if the player chooses not to fulfill his contract

 

[Wozzy]

Takes two sides to negotiate

Everyone plays with a contract

Not always

Why do so many refuse to include upfront paid bonuses when characterizing each year of compensation?
Pretending signing bonuses are irrelevant is an ignorant stance given a player would have to repay a pro-rated portion of that signing bonus if the player chooses not to fulfill his contract

The two sides are negotiating from what we know.

Not everyone plays with a contract, Gilmore could sit out the way Deshaun Watson and others have. What good does that do the Patriots… they save a little money?

Always, unless the team has no interest in re-signing said player.

Who ignored bonuses? Gilmore’s salary is small and his cap hit bloated last year and this one because they kicked his cap debt into later years so they could sign players at the trade deadline in 2018 and 2019. Now he wants security to keep going, this is football, he doesn’t assemble teddy bears in a factory, there’s a level of risk players have to account for.