Should we extend Gilmore - Poll

[bresna]

Why extend a guy that is complaining about playing out a contract that is paying him $13 Million a year ($16.3 Million/year with his earned incentives)? He's conveniently forgotten this, hasn't he? If they extend him, he'll just complain about the last years of that extension.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Why extend a guy that is complaining about playing out a contract that is paying him $13 Million a year ($16.3 Million/year with his earned incentives)? He's conveniently forgotten this, hasn't he? If they extend him, he'll just complain about the last years of that extension.

This is the problem with almost every front-loaded NFL contract that reaches it’s final year. Teams think they have a potential bargain in the final year if they pay most of the total before then…and they prefer this way so they can move on without a huge cap hit. Player, of course, looks at salary of that year alone as opposed to contract totality. As a player, I’d do the same thing…the owners already have so much control compared to other pro sports leagues.

 

[Scotty]

@Ice_Ice_Brady I understand and appreciate your point but I am not sure as to why a player should get more money after signing a contract , maybe thats just how players and owners operate in sports.

In saying that I think we need to keep him for another year

 

[Sicilian]

This is the problem with almost every front-loaded NFL contract that reaches it’s final year. Teams think they have a potential bargain in the final year if they pay most of the total before then…and they prefer this way so they can move on without a huge cap hit. Player, of course, looks at salary of that year alone as opposed to contract totality. As a player, I’d do the same thing…the owners already have so much control compared to other pro sports leagues.

On a much smaller scale, it's similar to the dissonance that a lot of hourly employees have in a typical corporate job. For example, I have an hour long commute each way to work. Which means from my perspective, I'm giving them 10 hours a day but only being paid for 8. But from their perspective, they're only getting 8 hours of work from me, so it seems fair. For Gilmore, he's "only" making $7m this year, so he's weighing whether that's worth what he puts his body through for a typical NFL season. It doesn't matter what he's been paid already, it's about is it worth it to play NOW. From the Pats perspective, they've already paid him extra money in early years that he wasn't worth, so they feel like they deserve the cheap year now. Neither side is wrong, but it doesn't resolve the dissonance between their perceptions.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

@Ice_Ice_Brady I understand and appreciate your point but I am not sure as to why a player should get more money after signing a contract , maybe thats just how players and owners operate in sports.

In saying that I think we need to keep him for another year

I’m not really saying in terms of should. I’m saying this often happens and that I’d do the same thing.

But we don’t know also what was said behind the scenes. For example, last year Bill increased Gilmore’s salary because they had a verbal understanding that they’d match the highest paid CB, or something along those lines. Not sure if 2021 was discussed.

But I do think owners will frequently find available loopholes or contract clauses that might not have been “in the spirit” of the agreement when it benefits the team. The fact is that Gilmore has been paid what he’s been paid, and his market value in 2021 is higher than what he’s scheduled to earn, and by several levels. Of course the Patriots are under no obligation to allow him to seek his market value. I think meeting in the middle, maybe $12-14M is the end game here. And incentive-laden.

 

[ashley]

Some Gillmore news:

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Does anybody else cringe when articles quote a base salary and nothing else? Signing bonuses exist, people. His last contract gave him $13M/year. Just because a big slug of that came up front don't mean he's "only making $7M this year".

Now we can argue if $13M/y is fair or not, but the $7M figure has no useful meaning

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Does anybody else cringe when articles quote a base salary and nothing else? Signing bonuses exist, people. His last contract gave him $13M/year. Just because a big slug of that came up front don't mean he's "only making $7M this year".

Now we can argue if $13M/y is fair or not, but the $7M figure has no useful meaning

That’s indirectly what we’ve been discussing…see posts prior to that tweet.

 

[Sect140]

Funny he didn’t mind the front loaded contract the first couple years of the deal.

 

[Sicilian]

Something that may be being overlooked in this situation is that the yearly compensation (even factoring in the signing bonus) is 13m/year. If he's looking at the top paid corners nowadays, and they're in the 16-17 million dollar range, even if he completely understands that the last year of his deal is going to look lean, he still might think he's underpaid compared to the current market. You can say, "Tough, he signed the contract" but from a player's perspective, if he underperformed they could cut him and give him nothing. So why not use what leverage he has to try to get a bump if he's overperformed? I think that's essentially what happened last year.

I think he's doing this the right way so far. He's not accusing the organization of anything, he hasn't hurt the team on the field (yet), and he's not making a lot of noise. When asked, he's being honest, but it sounds like the negotiations are pretty amicable so far.

 

[IllegalContact]

no new deal.......the comp pick for his departure is too important.

if he doesn't like it, trade him to the NFC

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The Pats still have 16m in open cap space . Just give some to Gilmore. The Pats didn't give him extra last year, they just moved up a bit of money from this year into last year. The Patriots go nowhere in seasons when they don't have an elite cornerback.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

no new deal.......the comp pick for his departure is too important.

if he doesn't like it, trade him to the NFC

You mean his departure after this year? How about a wasted upcoming season with a disgruntled player who will inevitably get 'injured' for a bunch of games. I personally would still like to go all out and see how far this team could go.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Funny he didn’t mind the front loaded contract the first couple years of the deal.

How many times do you see a player expected to make a ton of money in the last year of his deal, and the team either cuts him or asks him to take a pay cut? It’s the same situation…the player might have played for less than market, and fans don’t care about “the totality of the contract“ and the team “didn’t mind the backloaded contract in the first couple years of the deal.”

Rather, fans simply ask if the player is worth the salary for that given year, regardless of how it got to that point or how much money was paid/saved in years prior.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

no new deal.......the comp pick for his departure is too important.

if he doesn't like it, trade him to the NFC

I’m not certain on how the calendar works, but aren’t the Patriots out of this year’s comp pick running due to all their free agent signings?

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Pats still have 16m in open cap space . Just give some to Gilmore. The Pats didn't give him extra last year, they just moved up a bit of money from this year into last year. The Patriots go nowhere in seasons when they don't have an elite cornerback.

They absolutely gave him extra in 2020. He was scheduled to receive $10.5m in cash in 2020 but instead they gave him $15.5m. They didn't have to do it but they did.

It's not about contract value to Gilly. It's about straight cash that hits his bank account on an annual basis.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’m not certain on how the calendar works, but aren’t the Patriots out of this year’s comp pick running due to all their free agent signings?

They'll get no comp picks and like it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Does anybody else cringe when articles quote a base salary and nothing else? Signing bonuses exist, people. His last contract gave him $13M/year. Just because a big slug of that came up front don't mean he's "only making $7M this year".

Now we can argue if $13M/y is fair or not, but the $7M figure has no useful meaning

I have no idea why these sportswriters think things are hunky dory between the NEP and Gilly and it'll all work itself out.

The NEP PoV

• He's a soon-to-be 31 year old CB who is coming off an injury plagued, down year by his standards- but still very good when healthy
• He's made on average $14.1m over the life of the deal. It's not like he was underpaid
• At $15.5m in cash for 2020 he was slightly overpaid for his performance and availability. Pats won't forget that. They did him a solid and they got f'ed in the butt

Pats will throw some new money at him but large majority of it will be in incentives.

He's going to get the Brady Gronk contract treatment.

If he scoffs at that......he better hunker down.