Trade a 2nd For Jimmy Now; This is Not a Long Term Commitment

[ToonPatriot]

Maybe not more than a 1st but if you look at his # as a starter hes 24-8, averaging 250 yards a game w a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, 67% comp and QB rating of 100.

If he was durable and putting up 4000yd/27TD/100 Qb rating seasons one over the other you could justify a 1st.

I don’t know man, I think 26 ints in 24 starts is alarming, especially when he was throwing the shortest passes last year, (third shortest in 2019) in a system that’s all about YAC.

Some of this stuff gets lost because of his major durability concerns and his one full season culminating in a SB appearance, but I’d bet that if he could actually string a few seasons together injury free he would be a bang average mid-lower tier QB that no one would be discussing trading 1st round picks for. Just my opinion before the fan club goes crazy

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don’t know man, I think 26 ints in 24 starts is alarming, especially when he was throwing the shortest passes last year, (third shortest in 2019) in a system that’s all about YAC.

Some of this stuff gets lost because of his major durability concerns and his one full season culminating in a SB appearance, but I’d bet that if he could actually string a few seasons together injury free he would be a bang average mid-lower tier QB that no one would be discussing trading 1st round picks for. Just my opinion before the fan club goes crazy

Jimmy has 32 starts and a 2.7int rate isn't Brady-ish but isn't awful.

 

[Ring 6]

desire and mental toughness are often related. Just BTW, I believe a lot of players would not have come back when Cam did. Many would think that he should have taken more time to receiver from COVID. Many would have simply asked to be put on IR.

Jus




Just

He was asymptomatic. What was he going to take time to recover from?

 

[ToonPatriot]

Jimmy has 32 starts and a 2.7int rate isn't Brady-ish but isn't awful.

Ah yes you add the 24 and 8 together!

 

[Ring 6]

Ah yes you add the 24 and 8 together!

Why would you not count 8 of them?

 

[ToonPatriot]

Why would you not count 8 of them?

I was joking lol

 

[1960Pats]

It's kind of odd how JG takes so much heat for being injured but Cam gets a free pass. They both missed a lot of games the last 3 years.

 

[Ring 6]

It's kind of odd how JG takes so much heat for being injured but Cam gets a free pass. They both missed a lot of games the last 3 years.

Because if newton is your qb injury prone is a positive

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's kind of odd how JG takes so much heat for being injured but Cam gets a free pass. They both missed a lot of games the last 3 years.

Since 2015 out of a possible 80 games, Cam has played in 61 of them. That's 76%

Since 2015 Jimmy (missed 2 of 4 in 2016 and he wasn't playing when TB12 came back. After the trade in 2017 he played in 6/6, 3/16 in 2018, 16/16 2019 and 6/16 2020) has played in 33 out of a possible 57 games. That's 58%

The perception is correct.

 

[Lansdowne]

It's kind of odd how JG takes so much heat for being injured but Cam gets a free pass. They both missed a lot of games the last 3 years.

Not to the same extent. Cam missed the vast majority of one season while JG missed the vast majority of two seasons. Cam was available nearly two-thirds of the time (31 of 48 games, or 65%) while JG practically half the time (25 of 48 games, or 52%). That’s not an insignificant difference.

As a matter of fact, JG missed more games in 3 seasons (23) than Cam has in his entire 10 season career (21). That’s considering Cam has a lot more tread on his tires as an NFL quarterback. And that’s including the game Cam missed after getting into a near-fatal truck accident in 2014, and the missed game due to COVID last season. In terms of durability I would not compare the two at this point.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Claiming Garapolo is worth a 1st rounder is something I’d expect from a 49er fan that has his/her hopes up. I’d ask those same fans point blank, would you give a first for him?

Bottom line, he’s damaged. He blew his acl out in year one over there and hasn’t been the same since. It happens, see RG3. Some players just don’t come back the same and lose their tendency and lack of fear to move outside the pocket.

I like him for a 2nd or 3rd. If they give up a 1st I’ll be quite upset.

 

[davidjc]

Claiming Garapolo is worth a 1st rounder is something I’d expect from a 49er fan that has his/her hopes up. I’d ask those same fans point blank, would you give a first for him?

Bottom line, he’s damaged. He blew his acl out in year one over there and hasn’t been the same since. It happens, see RG3. Some players just don’t come back the same and lose their tendency and lack of fear to move outside the pocket.

I like him for a 2nd or 3rd. If they give up a 1st I’ll be quite upset.

Well this is not about being a "fan" of either team. This is just cold analysis. It is highly unlikely the 49ers deal JG for anything less than a first rounder or a package deal of some sort. People here seem to be over emphasizing his injuries in some kind of hopes that this will change the reality of the situation.

For people who are so sure JG is now worth anything there seems to be a lot of desire and angst to get JG back to the Pats. I'd like to see it too. But I tend to look at things more dispassionately. The 49ers have a very good QB in JG. His injuries are a concern and its why they drafted up to get a QB. However they have no idea if the #3 QB in the draft is going to be a bust or a win. If I am the 49ers there is no way I get rid of JG until I know fully what I have in my new rookie QB. Plus you can let the rookie sit and learn while you are evaluating him.

Not only that I don't think anyone is thinking JG will continue to be this injured forever. All of the circumstances don't add up to JG going for a single 2nd round pick. But we shall see. It's just if I had to place a bet I would be against this scenario.

 

[moosekill]

Well this is not about being a "fan" of either team. This is just cold analysis. It is highly unlikely the 49ers deal JG for anything less than a first rounder or a package deal of some sort. People here seem to be over emphasizing his injuries in some kind of hopes that this will change the reality of the situation.

For people who are so sure JG is now worth anything there seems to be a lot of desire and angst to get JG back to the Pats. I'd like to see it too. But I tend to look at things more dispassionately. The 49ers have a very good QB in JG. His injuries are a concern and its why they drafted up to get a QB. However they have no idea if the #3 QB in the draft is going to be a bust or a win. If I am the 49ers there is no way I get rid of JG until I know fully what I have in my new rookie QB. Plus you can let the rookie sit and learn while you are evaluating him.

Not only that I don't think anyone is thinking JG will continue to be this injured forever. All of the circumstances don't add up to JG going for a single 2nd round pick. But we shall see. It's just if I had to place a bet I would be against this scenario.

What is the weather like in San Francisco today?

 

[davidjc]

What is the weather like in San Francisco today?

Ok man, listen go get JG for a 2nd rounder and get back to me. I literally would be amazed and happy to see it. Ok so get back to us when it happens. You have to live in the real world to get anything done in the NFL. It literally does you no good to call me a SF fan. In fact it's like you are saying if I was a SF fan that I would be rooting to keep JG in SF. The same QB you are claiming is no good and should be traded for cheap.

So you expect that SF fans would be dismayed by a JG trade for a 2nd rounder while simultaneously claiming its a "good deal". And then saying he is broken and used up QB while foaming at the mouth to get him to NE. Do you see the disconnect? Let's see if JG can get to the Pats on the cheap, go for it. But in the meanwhile if you are playing the odds look elsewhere to get a QB and try and fix the situation at that position.

 

[moosekill]

Ok man, obviously you are a San Fran fan, that is cool, no need to get all worked up about it. I have no idea how much Bill values Jimmy, but I do think a 1 would be pretty steep for his past body of work taken as a whole.

 

[Ring 6]

Well this is not about being a "fan" of either team. This is just cold analysis. It is highly unlikely the 49ers deal JG for anything less than a first rounder or a package deal of some sort. People here seem to be over emphasizing his injuries in some kind of hopes that this will change the reality of the situation.

For people who are so sure JG is now worth anything there seems to be a lot of desire and angst to get JG back to the Pats. I'd like to see it too. But I tend to look at things more dispassionately. The 49ers have a very good QB in JG. His injuries are a concern and its why they drafted up to get a QB. However they have no idea if the #3 QB in the draft is going to be a bust or a win. If I am the 49ers there is no way I get rid of JG until I know fully what I have in my new rookie QB. Plus you can let the rookie sit and learn while you are evaluating him.

Not only that I don't think anyone is thinking JG will continue to be this injured forever. All of the circumstances don't add up to JG going for a single 2nd round pick. But we shall see. It's just if I had to place a bet I would be against this scenario.

You are ignoring the fact that they traded 3 #1s plus a 3 for that qb, so they will find out if he sucks by him starting and he will surely be starting at least at some point in 2021. That means they are spending 26 million on a lame duck QB. Saving 26 million and getting a 2nd or 3rd is far better than wasting 26 million.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ok man, obviously you are a San Fran fan, that is cool, no need to get all worked up about it. I have no idea how much Bill values Jimmy, but I do think a 1 would be pretty steep for his past body of work taken as a whole.

If he was durable and put up 2-3 2019-type years in a row I would have no issue doling out a 1st rounder. But that's just not the case...

If they do get a deal done but it'll be conditional.

 

[Nehalem]

I don’t know man, I think 26 ints in 24 starts is alarming, especially when he was throwing the shortest passes last year, (third shortest in 2019) in a system that’s all about YAC.

Some of this stuff gets lost because of his major durability concerns and his one full season culminating in a SB appearance, but I’d bet that if he could actually string a few seasons together injury free he would be a bang average mid-lower tier QB that no one would be discussing trading 1st round picks for. Just my opinion before the fan club goes crazy

His int% is definitely not good 26/32 for 2019.
However is yards/attempt are actually incredibly good 3/32 for 2019. Which is weird because you pointed out he was throwing the shortest passes last year.

And its not exactly like any of the other QBs the 49ers having been playing in his absences have been successful.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Well this is not about being a "fan" of either team. This is just cold analysis. It is highly unlikely the 49ers deal JG for anything less than a first rounder or a package deal of some sort. People here seem to be over emphasizing his injuries in some kind of hopes that this will change the reality of the situation.

For people who are so sure JG is now worth anything there seems to be a lot of desire and angst to get JG back to the Pats. I'd like to see it too. But I tend to look at things more dispassionately. The 49ers have a very good QB in JG. His injuries are a concern and its why they drafted up to get a QB. However they have no idea if the #3 QB in the draft is going to be a bust or a win. If I am the 49ers there is no way I get rid of JG until I know fully what I have in my new rookie QB. Plus you can let the rookie sit and learn while you are evaluating him.

Not only that I don't think anyone is thinking JG will continue to be this injured forever. All of the circumstances don't add up to JG going for a single 2nd round pick. But we shall see. It's just if I had to place a bet I would be against this scenario.

Like I said. I hope it’s not the Pats dealing out a first round pick for the guy. Perceived value is a funny thing. Some people here seem to think he is the answer to Brady and he is notches below physically and mentally, If JG is worth a 1st round pick, Brady is worth 5 of them. He’s that much better. I’d be ok to kicking the tires to see what he could do here. But not for what 49ers fans want.

 

[davidjc]

Like I said. I hope it’s not the Pats dealing out a first round pick for the guy. Perceived value is a funny thing. Some people here seem to think he is the answer to Brady and he is notches below physically and mentally, If JG is worth a 1st round pick, Brady is worth 5 of them. He’s that much better. I’d be ok to kicking the tires to see what he could do here. But not for what 49ers fans want.

If it were me I would give a 1st rounder and bet on JG being healthy. That is me personally. I mean like 2/3 of 1st round QBs seem to be suck anyways. Why not give up a 1st rounder, especially a lower to mid tier one, for a QB that has at least proven he can play at a high level? I mean if NE can get JG for a 2nd rounder (or maybe a reasonable package deal) by all means that is the way to go.

I tend to like JG and think he can be a good QB and maybe dance around the top 5 from season to season. But who knows maybe he will end up like Jared Goff (which is not awful).