Trade up now or wait

[Tony2046]

Best sign you know your argument sucks. Attack the person. Very low of you.

So we disagree and a professional football organization that is winning agrees with me. You act as if that makes you right. Again if you have no argument attack the person

Oh Jesus. The pandemic. What excuse comes next. Again no argument attack the person. Of course I am anti newton because he sucks. Anyone with eyes can see that. I am not and have never been anti BB. I don’t like the way he is handling the QB position.
Again attack the person.
So to you it’s agree with every decision, don’t think for yourself or it’s anti BB?

Close quote (see what I did there) or the guy who is so rattled by the concept that instead of having a discussion he just writes a post with random as hominem insults toward the person instead of discussions that issue? That would be you.

In your wish they are allowing all of the top QBs to be taken by other teams. You won’t answer my question about when that has worked. Because the answer makes your plan look stupid.
This is what QBs cost. You are like a homeless man living in the street because housing costs too much

but does it? Look back at our last 8 drafts. How is losing those picks mortgaging the future? That is the cost not done made up belief you have

You know how many.
Wvery year is expensive for a QB. Drunken sailor? The equivalent of Nkeal Harry Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michel? THAT is too much for you to solve the most important position on the field which currently is the worst in the NFL?

I’m not saying it, he has and you are asking him to continue to do so. I trust he isn’t don’t and you want him to be.


The went and got a QB. The Patriots haven’t. And I didn’t “take the colts decision making process over the Patriots”. You said the idea of signing Wentz was stupid. I pointed out professionals agree with me and you are a nobody who lacks football knowledge.
So far the Colts have handled the QB position better. I know this conflicts with your bowing at the belichick altar and needing to think everything he ever does is perfect but thinking for yourself once in a while would be good for you.
Here’s a little hint. Football teams make an enormous amount of decisions. They all make some right and some wrong. Belichick makes more right but still a lot wrong. You should factor that reality into hot blind hero worship.

When you can’t argue the point attack the person. Seems to be the only arris in your quiver.
I have been more positive about belichick since he has come here than anyone except for people like you who believe you have to lie about his bad decision a d deify him. It’s ok to recognize he’s the best but he screws up too.
This is shaping up to be one of those screw ups.

Well I apologize if you think I was attacking you personally. I don't know you or anyone else on this forum. I am attacking your opinion which I find ridiculous, panicky and unfounded given that BB was the foundation of the success we've witnessed over the last twenty years.

I'll stop responding to you since every time I disagree with your opinion you respond with this stuff.

I'm glad that you're a part of the forum because schematically your understanding of the game is second to none and I have learned a lot from you over the years but when it comes to team building concepts I think you're the drunken sailor in the room. Again it's just my opinion and I apologize if it offended you.

 

[Tony2046]

Not really. He could trade into 2022, to get another #1. With two #1s he would gave the capital to move up.

Good God Almighty. That would require patience.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I apologize if you think I was attacking you personally. I don't know you or anyone else on this forum. I am attacking your opinion which I find ridiculous, panicky and unfounded given that BB was the foundation of the success we've witnessed over the last twenty years.

I'll stop responding to you since every time I disagree with your opinion you respond with this stuff.

I'm glad that you're a part of the forum because schematically your understanding of the game is second to none and I have learned a lot from you over the years but when it comes to team building concepts I think you're the drunken sailor in the room. Again it's just my opinion and I apologize if it offended you.

Of course you attached me personally.
pink hat and something about blue berries isn’t discussing the topic.

You aren’t stopping responding because how I react, it’s because I called out your lack of substance and aside from insults you have nothing to add. Otherwise you would have responded to the substance somewhere along the way.

 

[Ring 6]

Hope and pray is qb4. Check my list out

None of them were as highly graded as this years 4th qb.
Talent isn’t the sane in every draft.

 

[zipster9]

Analysts predict Niners select Trey or Justin.

Panthers will pick up the one Niners didn't.

Atlanta, Detroit, Denver getting a QB is iffy.

That leaves the Patriots. If Mac Jones is available, my 2cents is he gets selected.

If this works out, getting Jimmy now or in 2022 will be ok. Mac Jones would need 2yrs.

 

[Ring 6]

Good God Almighty. That would require patience.

So let me get this straight.
Trading 1sr round picks in 21,22,23 to move up in a very good QBs draft to get your qb is crazy but trading 21 into 22 so you can package 2 firsts in 22 and a the first in 23 to move up into qb range in a bad QB class makes sense?
Then next year you will be calling it a bad idea all over again.
We will be the guy riding a bike to work his whole life because those damn cars are just too expensive.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I apologize if you think I was attacking you personally. I don't know you or anyone else on this forum. I am attacking your opinion which I find ridiculous, panicky and unfounded given that BB was the foundation of the success we've witnessed over the last twenty years.

I'll stop responding to you since every time I disagree with your opinion you respond with this stuff.

I'm glad that you're a part of the forum because schematically your understanding of the game is second to none and I have learned a lot from you over the years but when it comes to team building concepts I think you're the drunken sailor in the room. Again it's just my opinion and I apologize if it offended you.

By the way there is no need to aologize.
I could not care less. I am not offended. I point it out because instead of discussing the topic, and responding to my points, you take pot shots. It is relevant only because it shows you know you have no argument.
It’s akin to being in a debate and when it’s your turn to get up and rebut an argument saying “ come on this guy can’t be right, look at that shirt he’s wearing” then sitting back down.

And thanks for the backhanded complements.
I think you need to realize that I have supported the team building approach of the Patriots more fervently than any one in this board. Qb Is different. They cost a ton and if you are unwilling to pay up you will be stuck in mediocrity. But by all means show me the examples of teams that have devalued the QB position, as much as BBs moves over the last couple of years indicate, and have won. Again a real answer to the issue instead of making more comments about me, which have no place in the discussion and only show your insecurity about your position, would be welcomed.

 

[mgteich]

When you have 1,000 replies in a row because you are disagreeing with the whole forum, it is time to just shut up.

You are the one who believes that 3 patriots first rounders are worth more than a franchise quarterback. I guess that you are a new fan, or think a lot more of our 1st rounders than I do,

 

[mgteich]

The open question is the value of Lance. How many teams think that he worth what it takes to move up. Lance could end up be drafted #4 or #8.
Also, there is no guarantee that the jets will draft a quarterback. But, if not, it would because someone moved up to #2 to draft their choice.

 

[Love The Drake]

The open question is the value of Lance. How many teams think that he worth what it takes to move up. Lance could end up be drafted #4 or #8.
Also, there is no guarantee that the jets will draft a quarterback. But, if not, it would because someone moved up to #2 to draft their choice.

What would it cost to move in the top 10 to grab him.

 

[ashley]

Analysts predict Niners select Trey or Justin.

Panthers will pick up the one Niners didn't.

Atlanta, Detroit, Denver getting a QB is iffy.

That leaves the Patriots. If Mac Jones is available, my 2cents is he gets selected.

If this works out, getting Jimmy now or in 2022 will be ok. Mac Jones would need 2yrs.

I think at this point you have to figure quarter backs to go 1-4 whether Atlanta trades the pick or they select either Fields or Lance there. I also think if Carolina doesn't trade up to number 4 and if the four top qbs are gone, they will take Jones at 8.

 

[Love The Drake]

What would it cost to move in the top 10 to grab him.

Those useless wins against AZ and NYJ loom large

 

[Love The Drake]

I’d be thrilled with Waddle at 15 and Mills or Mond In the second or third as well.

 

[patsfaninpa]

None of them were as highly graded as this years 4th qb.
Talent isn’t the sane in every draft.

True. But 10 years is a good sample size. I also believe the qb’s are over-rated because 2020 college season was a glorified 7 on 7 drill

 

[mgteich]

What would it cost to move in the top 10 to grab him.

One idea is our first three 2021 picks plus our 2022 first. This is likely close for 4 or 5. 6, 7, or 8 might take a 2nd or 3rd less.

Lance could be the most likely to bust out of the top 5.

 

[mgteich]

I’d be thrilled with Waddle at 15 and Mills or Mond In the second or third as well.

yup, Stidham needs competition.

 

[Lansdowne]

The way I see it is if the Pats trade up to get one of the top 5 QBs in this year’s class, then they’re out on Garoppolo unless the Niners wind up cutting him. They’re not going to trade significant draft capital on two QBs. Depends on if Belichick sees Garoppolo as “a guy” or “the guy” in the grand scheme. They need the picks with many decisions to be made on what next year’s roster looks like. If they do trade for Garoppolo before the draft, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see Belichick use their 15th pick on another position or one of his ever-popular trade downs.

 

[Tony2046]

You are the one who believes that 3 patriots first rounders are worth more than a franchise quarterback. I guess that you are a new fan, or think a lot more of our 1st rounders than I do,

Imo it's 3 first round picks for a chance at drafting the fourth QB prospect in the draft. If it was for the first pick in the draft then I'd agree.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Miami is just raking draft picks, they should thank the football Gods for Tunsil and the Houston front office stupidity. It’s almost starting to look like the Vikings/Cowboys Hershel Walker trade. Just sucks cuz its a division rival benefiting.

 

[Patriot Missile]

In retrospect, trading up early would of been a good idea. Precedent has been set. So assuming they will be fighting it out for either Fields or Lance depending on what SF and the Jets do. Will be competing with Carolina, possibly others. I’m really hoping Mac Jones has been their guy the whole time and they can make him NFL ready. If not, go get best player available like Parsons, Barmore, Waddle etc and wait it out. Best case is Cam comes back 2015 and shocks the world. Doubtful, I know.