Trade up now or wait

[DropKickFlutie]

Absolutely hard pass on Waddle. Was never the best WR on his own college team for 3 years. The only WRs worth thinking about would be Chase or Devonta Smith if available. Would go defense with the first pick. We already whiffed on Harry and Michel and Wynn has been injury prone. We have an OC who talked everyone into trading up for Tim Tebow in the first round. Really just a hard pass on offense with the first pick entirely. We're fine with Smith, Henry, Meyers, Agholor, Bourne, Harris, and a solid OLine that doesn't count on Wynn shuffling in and out.


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[Lansdowne]

Absolutely hard pass on Waddle. Was never the best WR on his own college team for 3 years. The only WRs worth thinking about would be Chase or Devonta Smith if available. Would go defense with the first pick.

You know who else wasn’t the best WR in his own college team for 3 years? Reggie Wayne. From 1998-2000, Santana Moss was the Hurricanes’ top WR, and he was even taken 14 picks ahead of Wayne when they were both drafted in 2001. But it was Wayne who went on to have a better NFL career.

How about Terry McLaurin, who was never the best WR at Ohio State, it was Parris Campbell (who also got drafted first between the two) and yet McLaurin has left Campbell in the dust since they’ve joined the NFL.

Do you know who Alabama’s leading receiver was last season up until Jaylen Waddle’s injury? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t DeVonta Smith.

Point is you can’t just go by what they did in college. The NFL’s a different world from college football. Look no further than Tebow for that (55 TDs pass/rush combined in 2007, one of the greatest individual seasons ever, didn’t translate to the NFL game).

BTW I’m on board with you in us picking defense at 15 if a guy like Micah Parsons is available.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Are you just naturally a dlck or do I intimidate you that much?

This is pretty hilarious. Someone who routinely argues 1 against 10, calling someone else a ****

 

[DropKickFlutie]

You know who else wasn’t the best WR in his own college team for 3 years? Reggie Wayne. From 1998-2000, Santana Moss was the Hurricanes’ top WR, and he was even taken 14 picks ahead of Wayne when they were both drafted in 2001. But it was Wayne who went on to have a better NFL career.

How about Terry McLaurin, who was never the best WR at Ohio State, it was Parris Campbell (who also got drafted first between the two) and yet McLaurin has left Campbell in the dust since they’ve joined the NFL.

Do you know who Alabama’s leading receiver was last season up until Jaylen Waddle’s injury? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t DeVonta Smith.

Point is you can’t just go by what they did in college. The NFL’s a different world from college football.

These are decent points except your examples, Waddle was with a different crop of receivers 3 different times and was never the best WR. It's not like he sat behind the same teammate for 3 straight years. He's for sure super fast. But look at the tape. He scored on deep posts or easy short dump passes based on speed, the whole Pats offense is based on generating a ton of first downs and ball control. No thanks to a slightly better Bethel Johnson. We also don't need to burn a pick here given he won't beat out Agholor, Meyers, Smith, Henry, Bourne, or Harris for snaps. It doesn't make sense to burn another pick on a WR. And I sure as hell don't trust this OC or staff to draft a WR after they thought NKeal Harry was good

 

[Lansdowne]

These are decent points except your examples, Waddle was with a different crop of receivers 3 different times and was never the best WR. It's not like he sat behind the same teammate for 3 straight years. He's for sure super fast. But look at the tape. He scored on deep posts or easy short dump passes based on speed, the whole Pats offense is based on genersting a ton of first downs and ball control. No thanks to a slightly better Bethel Johnson.

Between Henry, Jonnu, Bourne, Meyers, and White, we have plenty of chain movers for the short and intermediate passing game. But it helps to have a burner, and Waddle profiles much better in the pros than our old friend Bethel Johnson ever did. He can also double as our kick returner (knowing that we already have Gunner as punt returner). But as I’ve mentioned in another thread, I don’t see Waddle falling that far down for it to be a dilemma. Might be for the best since there are other positions of greater need.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Absolutely hard pass on Waddle. Was never the best WR on his own college team for 3 years. The only WRs worth thinking about would be Chase or Devonta Smith if available. Would go defense with the first pick. We already whiffed on Harry and Michel and Wynn has been injury prone. We have an OC who talked everyone into trading up for Tim Tebow in the first round. Really just a hard pass on offense with the first pick entirely. We're fine with Smith, Henry, Meyers, Agholor, Bourne, Harris, and a solid OLine that doesn't count on Wynn shuffling in and out.


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what? You may need to watch more tape. Waddle is the bomb.

Extrapolate his numbers from the first four games over the course of a season and just say

 

[DropKickFlutie]

what? You may need to watch more tape. Waddle is the bomb.

Extrapolate his numbers from the first four games over the course of a season and just say

You want to add another injury prone high offensive pick, is this just straight masochism with Harry, Michel, Wynn constantly in and out? Agholor is the expensive speedster signing. WR isn't a position of need with Agholor, Meyers, Bourne, Edelman, Smith, Henry.

 

[skinnydog]

These are decent points except your examples, Waddle was with a different crop of receivers 3 different times and was never the best WR. It's not like he sat behind the same teammate for 3 straight years. He's for sure super fast. But look at the tape. He scored on deep posts or easy short dump passes based on speed, the whole Pats offense is based on generating a ton of first downs and ball control. No thanks to a slightly better Bethel Johnson. We also don't need to burn a pick here given he won't beat out Agholor, Meyers, Smith, Henry, Bourne, or Harris for snaps. It doesn't make sense to burn another pick on a WR. And I sure as hell don't trust this OC or staff to draft a WR after they thought NKeal Harry was good

Waddle is easily better than any wr on the Pats current roster. I would draft Parsons over Waddle, but he is better than what is on this roster now

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Waddle is easily better than any wr on the Pats current roster. I would draft Parsons over Waddle, but he is better than what is on this roster now

If parsons makes it out of the top ten, someone needs to fired.

he is the best defender in this draft by far!

 

[DropKickFlutie]

If parsons makes it out of the top ten, someone needs to fired.

he is the best defender in this draft by far!

I like Parsons and would be fine with him, Paye, or Collins. I think Collins is very underrated. I think sideline to sideline speed is more important for a 4-3 LB. Collins isn't a sideline to sideline LB but he would thrive in a 3-4.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You know who else wasn’t the best WR in his own college team for 3 years? Reggie Wayne. From 1998-2000, Santana Moss was the Hurricanes’ top WR, and he was even taken 14 picks ahead of Wayne when they were both drafted in 2001. But it was Wayne who went on to have a better NFL career.

How about Terry McLaurin, who was never the best WR at Ohio State, it was Parris Campbell (who also got drafted first between the two) and yet McLaurin has left Campbell in the dust since they’ve joined the NFL.

Do you know who Alabama’s leading receiver was last season up until Jaylen Waddle’s injury? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t DeVonta Smith.

Point is you can’t just go by what they did in college. The NFL’s a different world from college football. Look no further than Tebow for that (55 TDs pass/rush combined in 2007, one of the greatest individual seasons ever, didn’t translate to the NFL game).

BTW I’m on board with you in us picking defense at 15 if a guy like Micah Parsons is available.

I've made all these points before, add in Michael Thomas and many others. I could only imagine what would be said about Odell Beckham even though he sort of was the best WR he didn't have gaudy stats but certainly had that something else.

It's almost as bad as the injury prone arguments. Look at DK Metcalf. He went in the 2nd for a reason but hasn't been "injury prone" since entering the league. This black or white outlook on prospects is crazy.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I think after we saw what the price will be to move up to get a QB, we are staying put or trading down.

 

[zimmy]

I don't think the price SF paid is that surprising. We always knew that the cost to move up would be inflated due to the quality of the QBs available and the amount of teams who need one. It's also just not BB's ideology to give up so many picks to risk on one player. I can still see a smaller trade up for Mac Jones if he somehow makes it to pick 9-12. Otherwise, I think Jimmy and/or a day two QB will be the plan.

If we don't take a QB in the first, I think we will focus on CB or OT at 15, looking to next year with Gilmore, Jackson, Wynn and Brown potentially gone. My fear now is that Horn goes before 15, so Darrisaw may be the pick.

 

[Scotty]

With the benefit of hindsight did the Pats miss a chance of getting in first and moving up or it was never an option in the first place. Cant see BB spending that much draft picks to get to 4 or 5 etc. So I guess the plan is to pick up a re-tread QB and surround him with new toys ? If it is JG then I do think he is a good QB but as others have said can he stay healthy.

 

[DarrylS]

The more I read and the more that has happened the less I know, the Pats need a QB and then I get confused.

Should the Pats trade down now or later to try to get a QB?? That depends on what happens if Jimmy G. becomes available, and if he did get traded to the NEP how would the they absorb his huge cap hit?? If Jimmy G is not their guy is it better to trade down now or later??

This draft, as it seems to be so critical, is more confusing than usual because the game is played differently this year. Jockeying for position before the draft, not all that common, so that is a new dynamic.

Every time I visit this board, or read something about it I become more confused as to what BB might be thinking or doing...

All of Miami's maneuvering stems from what seems to have been a relatively innocuous trade of Jeremy "Gas Mask" Tunsil..

Stay tuned folks looks like a wild ride ahead..

 

[moosekill]

The part that makes all this impossible is we don't have any idea what the Patriots think of the qb prospects, let alone the rest of the league. Lawrence is mostly thought of as number 1, but #2 by Simms. After 1 and 2 all the following qb's have some large ?'s. The patriots have a ton of picks and very few holes to fill. They aren't going to take 10 players so my guess is they are going to make a number of trades or 1 big trade. I also believe that qb isn't really like wr or o-line or most of the other positions on the field, you don't want an ok one to be your starter, you want a great one. Saying wait until the 2 or 3rd round to take a qb means unless you have some inner knowledge that the rest of the league doesn't have, you are probably stuck with a Stidham level player. A player with huge ?'s and probably a 70-80% chance of never being an nfl level qb. I still believe the Patriots trade into the top 10 and take Jones. He is probably the third safest bet, with less injury risk then Wilson, torn labrum 2 years ago? Perhaps he has less chance of being OMG amazing, but he certainly still does have that chance, and he has a much smaller chance of being a complete and total bust.

 

[RIpats88]

I think after we saw what the price will be to move up to get a QB, we are staying put or trading down.

yup, and we now move to acquire Jimmy G.

 

[BTTA]

San Fran paid a fortune to Jimmy G and now apparently doesn't want him. How are ya'll making sense of that so that the outcome is that he'll be good in NE but wasn't in SF? Curious.

 

[Love The Drake]

San Fran paid a fortune to Jimmy G and now apparently doesn't want him. How are ya'll making sense of that so that the outcome is that he'll be good in NE but wasn't in SF? Curious.

Better fit for the system here, motivation to want to be great under Bill.
Bill believes in Jimmy and can put him In the best position to win.

 

[Love The Drake]

Ladies and Gentleman it’s rounding out to be Jimmy or Sam coming in at QB