Interesting development on the Jimmy G front

[FreeTedWilliams]

That's fine. I think we all know that but what's Plan B? And how long do we wait and pray for Jimmy to shake lose and leave ourselves with no viable alternative? I would rather us be aggressive and just get the guy early in free agency even if it is our second choice otherwise we are stuck with Cam again.

Didn't Moses say something about not coveting your neighbor's wife? Really? Plan A is a player that is under a long term contract with another team?

I like Jimmy and I would be fine if he came back, but unless SF lands Watson, they are not cutting Jimmy or trading him because they have no "plan B" if he is not there.

 

[amfootball]

Didn't Moses say something about not coveting your neighbor's wife? Really? Plan A is a player that is under a long term contract with another team?

I like Jimmy and I would be fine if he came back, but unless SF lands Watson, they are not cutting Jimmy or trading him because they have no "plan B" if he is not there.

Lol. I agree.

 

[Love The Drake]

I’m really scared we are going to do something stupid like our second and Gilmore for Jimmy G and One of their second tier Wrs

 

[DW Toys]

Didn't Moses say something about not coveting your neighbor's wife? Really? Plan A is a player that is under a long term contract with another team?

I like Jimmy and I would be fine if he came back, but unless SF lands Watson, they are not cutting Jimmy or trading him because they have no "plan B" if he is not there.

Happy Saturday Cousins. Nice way to start off the day with a good breakfast of scrambled eggs and cheddar cheese, crisp maple smoked bacon, toasted raisin bread with butter and a hint of blackberry jam, orange juice and a big mug of coffee I am still working on. As I am assembling the annual DW Toys "Trade-A-Rama" Draft I have thought of a way that the Niners can upgrade....But Jimmie G. is not coming here but to the Texans.?????

Put your Trading caps on. I am giving my Draft partially away but it goes like this:
The only Team that MIGHT have a legitimate shot to Trade for Watson are the Dolphins. Coach Flores and Nick C. know each other well. I don't think Nick has any issue with poking Bill either, as he did not let Nick go in 2019.

I am all for keeping a major talent like Watson but I think it's Easterby that is the fly in the ointment. I think Watson stays if Easterby is vanquished. First of all, most posters on this sight might have more football acumen over said executive.

"Jack Easterby, hired as the franchise’s executive vice president of team development in April 2019, a man who’d risen from low-level Jaguars intern to Patriots team chaplain to lauded character coach—before making an unprecedented shift into football operations.'

"Others are skeptical, unable to square his relentless ambition with claims of selflessness. Two years after his arrival in Houston, those inside the Texans’ building describe an atmosphere of mistrust, a state of constant chaos and a sense that he isn’t fit for the roles he’s taken on."

Easterby might be a nice guy.....who knows? ...But Nick C. has to have loyalty toward him for the job. I am sure the Pats are not Fans of Easterby.

O.K. now what? Watson might be of the school in that Texans locker room, of complete mistrust for the guy. Perhaps the strings pulled were actually not B.O. but Eaterby and when you lose one of the best WR in the NFL and your face of the franchise Watt leaves, Watson has questions ......at least I would suspect. So back to the reply and why will Watson force a trade? I think IMO it's Easterby. Those two might not play nice with each other. This is also why it will have to be done. But fear not Teaxan Fans.....a fleecing is about to happen!

The Dolphins want Watson (this will be a pain in the ass for the Pats). :

For Deshaun Watson QB

The Texans receive Tua Tagovailoa QB
Dolphins 2021 First Round Pick #3 (used by the Texans to pick QB Trey Lance)
Dolphins 2021 First Round Pick #18 (Traded to Cleveland for 1st round pick #26 which the Texans use to Draft bell cow RB Najee Harris plus a 2nd Round pick. Browns trade up to Draft South Carolina CB Horn who won't last until pick #26. The Browns have not had a top tier CB since Hayden)*
Dolphins 2022 First Round Pick
And........ Dolphins All Pro CB Xavien Howard

*The Texans also get Cleveland 2nd Round pick #59 and Houston gives back 4th Round pick #130 [ #18=900 POINTS -#26=700 POINTS, Cleveland 2nd Round pick #59=310 POINTS-Texans 4th Round pick=74 POINTS]

The Texans not competently satisfied with Tua and after Drafting top NFL QB prospect Trey Lance at pick #3, who is not ready yet for sure, trade Tua to the Niners for Jimmie G (well known by Nick C,) to have him start and at worst, Jimmie G. could be future Trade wampum of value.

Kyle Shanahan wants a younger QB and he might feel he can create an NFL monster out of Tua. He is not in love with Jimmie G.

Remember, the Texans started out the day with no first or second round picks. Nick C. gets the following:
QB Jimmie G.
CB All Pro Xavien Howard
#3 PICK QB Trey Lance
#26 PICK RB Najee Harris
#59 PICK in the 2nd Round perhaps Watt successor in DT Jay Tufele or DT Joe Tryon or ?
2022 1st Round pick of Dolphins

A lot lost by the Texans but the haul is good if they all work out. They filled a big hole at CB and a top tier RB helps any QB. If Trey Lance is a stud the Texans win the trade. He could be a larger version of Watson.

Nick C. avoids pitch forks and torches

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Xavien Howard

 

[Ross12]

Didn't Moses say something about not coveting your neighbor's wife? Really? Plan A is a player that is under a long term contract with another team?

I like Jimmy and I would be fine if he came back, but unless SF lands Watson, they are not cutting Jimmy or trading him because they have no "plan B" if he is not there.

I think SF's Plan B would be trading up for a QB from #12. Not sure if they wanna do that though since it means at least 1 more bad year probably.

I agree though, it's silly to say a guy on a different team is "Plan A." If that was really the top plan the trade would already have happened.

 

[Sicilian]

I think SF's Plan B would be trading up for a QB from #12. Not sure if they wanna do that though since it means at least 1 more bad year probably.

I agree though, it's silly to say a guy on a different team is "Plan A." If that was really the top plan the trade would already have happened.

Well, it depends on what plan B is. If Plan B is sign a guy like Smith to a reasonable deal (one of the mid-level vets must be able to come at a reduced cost), while drafting a kid to groom behind him, then JG can still be plan A, even if that move doesn't happen first. If Smith (just an example) is signed to a 2 year deal without big guaranteed money, there's nothing stopping them from also acquiring JG. Then you probably forego QB in the draft and let Smith be the pimary backup (knowing Jimmy has had some injury problems). So Jimmy can still be plan A until the draft happens, IMO.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

if the texans trade watson i think they would rather have more picks than tua or hey darnold.

 

[carmelo15]

That's fine. I think we all know that but what's Plan B? And how long do we wait and pray for Jimmy to shake lose and leave ourselves with no viable alternative? I would rather us be aggressive and just get the guy early in free agency even if it is our second choice otherwise we are stuck with Cam again.

Imagine plan A being a starter on another team who if they released him wouldn’t have a QB themselves

 

[carmelo15]

if the texans trade watson i think they would rather have more picks than tua or hey darnold.

might as well take stay or flip him for a pick even if it’s a 3rd

 

[Love The Drake]

Warming up on Davis Mills or Kellen Mond with a trade down in the second.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Warming up on Davis Mills or Kellen Mond with a trade down in the second.

i am totally in on mills. Mond is a nightmare of inconsistency, aka newton jr.

 

[Ross12]

I don't fully understand the "Garoppolo can't stay healthy" take... Thinking back on it...

1. He went 2-0 with NE and got injured because he got crushed by Kiko Alonso and sprained his shoulder. It wasn't a season-ending injury, but a few-week-long thing.
2. He gets traded to SF the next year and goes 5-0 that same season with no injury issues.
3. The next season, he tears his ACL trying to gain a few extra yards. Dumb move, but he had limited starting experience. It wasn't a result of him being brittle; the cause was clear.
4. Season after that, he leads the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
5. The next season (last year) he incurred a high ankle sprain, came back in only 3 weeks, and re-aggravated that injury 2 weeks later - probably due to coming back too fast.

He has been injured, yes, but I don't know if it qualifies him as injury-prone. The shoulder was due to a big hit. The ACL was due to a hit and him inviting contact, something I am sure he learned from. His second ankle injury was just a re-aggravation of the first one in the same year. He went 2-0 for NE, then went 6-1 for SF before an ACL tear. He came back and went 13-3 and went to the SB, then 3-3 the next year. Based on my napkin math he's 24-7 as a starter. He "missed" 25 games he otherwise would have started, though 13 of those were due the ACL tear, and 10 of those were last year where he could've come back at the end of the year but the Niners chose not to use him. If the ankle was given more time to heal the first time, maybe he only misses 5 games.

Long story short - worth considering the injury history and have a decent backup plan if he gets hurt, but I wouldn't really consider him "injury prone".

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't fully understand the "Garoppolo can't stay healthy" take... Thinking back on it...

1. He went 2-0 with NE and got injured because he got crushed by Kiko Alonso and sprained his shoulder. It wasn't a season-ending injury, but a few-week-long thing.
2. He gets traded to SF the next year and goes 5-0 that same season with no injury issues.
3. The next season, he tears his ACL trying to gain a few extra yards. Dumb move, but he had limited starting experience. It wasn't a result of him being brittle; the cause was clear.
4. Season after that, he leads the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
5. The next season (last year) he incurred a high ankle sprain, came back in only 3 weeks, and re-aggravated that injury 2 weeks later - probably due to coming back too fast.

He has been injured, yes, but I don't know if it qualifies him as injury-prone. The shoulder was due to a big hit. The ACL was due to a hit and him inviting contact, something I am sure he learned from. His second ankle injury was just a re-aggravation of the first one in the same year. He went 2-0 for NE, then went 6-1 for SF before an ACL tear. He came back and went 13-3 and went to the SB, then 3-3 the next year. Based on my napkin math he's 24-7 as a starter. He "missed" 25 games he otherwise would have started, though 13 of those were due the ACL tear, and 10 of those were last year where he could've come back at the end of the year but the Niners chose not to use him. If the ankle was given more time to heal the first time, maybe he only misses 5 games.

Long story short - worth considering the injury history and have a decent backup plan if he gets hurt, but I wouldn't really consider him "injury prone".

injury-prone​

idiom

Definition of injury-prone​

: frequently injured

Fits JAG

 

[PWRxWLF]

I don't fully understand the "Garoppolo can't stay healthy" take... Thinking back on it...

1. He went 2-0 with NE and got injured because he got crushed by Kiko Alonso and sprained his shoulder. It wasn't a season-ending injury, but a few-week-long thing.
2. He gets traded to SF the next year and goes 5-0 that same season with no injury issues.
3. The next season, he tears his ACL trying to gain a few extra yards. Dumb move, but he had limited starting experience. It wasn't a result of him being brittle; the cause was clear.
4. Season after that, he leads the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
5. The next season (last year) he incurred a high ankle sprain, came back in only 3 weeks, and re-aggravated that injury 2 weeks later - probably due to coming back too fast.

He has been injured, yes, but I don't know if it qualifies him as injury-prone. The shoulder was due to a big hit. The ACL was due to a hit and him inviting contact, something I am sure he learned from. His second ankle injury was just a re-aggravation of the first one in the same year. He went 2-0 for NE, then went 6-1 for SF before an ACL tear. He came back and went 13-3 and went to the SB, then 3-3 the next year. Based on my napkin math he's 24-7 as a starter. He "missed" 25 games he otherwise would have started, though 13 of those were due the ACL tear, and 10 of those were last year where he could've come back at the end of the year but the Niners chose not to use him. If the ankle was given more time to heal the first time, maybe he only misses 5 games.

Long story short - worth considering the injury history and have a decent backup plan if he gets hurt, but I wouldn't really consider him "injury prone".

JG if really cheap. Financially and trade compensation. After watching his playoff and SB performance, my faith has plummeted.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

i am totally in on mills. Mond is a nightmare of inconsistency, aka newton jr.

except that he's 10 years younger and can be coached up.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

except that he's 10 years younger

i thought we were choosing between monds or mills?

 

[RIpats88]

I don't fully understand the "Garoppolo can't stay healthy" take... Thinking back on it...

1. He went 2-0 with NE and got injured because he got crushed by Kiko Alonso and sprained his shoulder. It wasn't a season-ending injury, but a few-week-long thing.
2. He gets traded to SF the next year and goes 5-0 that same season with no injury issues.
3. The next season, he tears his ACL trying to gain a few extra yards. Dumb move, but he had limited starting experience. It wasn't a result of him being brittle; the cause was clear.
4. Season after that, he leads the 49ers to the Super Bowl.
5. The next season (last year) he incurred a high ankle sprain, came back in only 3 weeks, and re-aggravated that injury 2 weeks later - probably due to coming back too fast.

He has been injured, yes, but I don't know if it qualifies him as injury-prone. The shoulder was due to a big hit. The ACL was due to a hit and him inviting contact, something I am sure he learned from. His second ankle injury was just a re-aggravation of the first one in the same year. He went 2-0 for NE, then went 6-1 for SF before an ACL tear. He came back and went 13-3 and went to the SB, then 3-3 the next year. Based on my napkin math he's 24-7 as a starter. He "missed" 25 games he otherwise would have started, though 13 of those were due the ACL tear, and 10 of those were last year where he could've come back at the end of the year but the Niners chose not to use him. If the ankle was given more time to heal the first time, maybe he only misses 5 games.

Long story short - worth considering the injury history and have a decent backup plan if he gets hurt, but I wouldn't really consider him "injury prone".

I mean, missing games in 3 out of 4 years isn't a good sign. Many of those hits were routine hits brady has taken.

He's, only played 1 full season.

So if Jimmy G is their plan A, have they called asking about a trade? Or are they just sitting there with their hands in their pockets hoping he becomes available?

It's like a dude waiting out a marriage.

 

[Ross12]

I mean, missing games in 3 out of 4 years isn't a good sign. Many of those hits were routine hits brady has taken.

He's, only played 1 full season.

So if Jimmy G is their plan A, have they called asking about a trade? Or are they just sitting there with their hands in their pockets hoping he becomes available?

It's like a dude waiting out a marriage.

No doubt in my mind Brady would've played through the shoulder injury, and probably the ankle injuries. No playing through an ACL tear though.

Think that says more about the two guy's comparative toughness than one being brittle or something, though.

 

[Love The Drake]

I mean, missing games in 3 out of 4 years isn't a good sign. Many of those hits were routine hits brady has taken.

He's, only played 1 full season.

So if Jimmy G is their plan A, have they called asking about a trade? Or are they just sitting there with their hands in their pockets hoping he becomes available?

It's like a dude waiting out a marriage.

I’m thinking of the Seinfeld episode.
Jerry was like I’ve been waiting years for that marriage to fall apart.

 

[RIpats88]

I’m thinking of the Seinfeld episode.
Jerry was like I’ve been waiting years for that marriage to fall apart.

That's legit what I thought of lol