Belichick criticism mega-thread

[Zuma]

I have no f-ing idea what he'll do.

He doesn't have a franchise QB and has more cap space this year than in any of the 20 years running the team. He can also create another $20m with a couple of pink slips and trades. He also has 6 picks in the top 140. Not a boatload of picks but enough to move around.

I do believe he knows he needs to upgrade the talent on both sides of the ball in a major way.

I do believe we will see him "pay" for a couple of top guys (WR? LB?) and get a ton of guys on reasonable contracts. He'll need to be careful as that cap space might be needed because.......

If the QB he wants/doesn't fall to 15 in in striking distance he might take Rosseau, Surtain or Farley and he'll trade for Jimmy or MM.

My concern is if BB wants a vet like Mariota...he shouldn't wait forever to get him. Spending most of the CAP space on other players / positions may not leave much for trading a starting caliber QB. Also the longer BB waits...chances are the price for said QB will go up because of bidding.

 

[Kontradiction]

Exactly. BB won't fill them all Day 1. Fans will freak out. Captain Stone will complain about every pick. The Hate BB crowd will want to send him anthrax letters and mario meathead will say bb has a small ****.

Cats and dogs living together...mass hysteria.

I’m going to be completely honest - if he has another dogshit draft and the QB position is still a mess, I’m going to begin to say that maybe he should call it a career for the first time ever in my history here. I’ll be patient with a rookie and even a guy like Alex Smith as a placeholder. That’s hope. Caserio leaving gives hope, since the drafts immediately took a sharp nosedive when he became the main voice in the room and Reese left. But if he maintains what’s become the status quo on draft night after allowing Brady to get to FA (only to win a Super Bowl with his new team while we put out a 1930s offense), I’ll start to think that the game has passed him by.

 

[RobertWeathers]

My concern is if BB wants a vet like Mariota...he shouldn't wait forever to get him. Spending most of the CAP space on other players / positions may not leave much for trading a QB. Also the longer BB waits...chances are the price for said QB will go up because of bidding.

Maybe/Maybe not. Some team who has a QB now could draft one and put their really good QB on the market which adds inventory to the market which in theory lowers the acquisition price.

BB will have multiple parlor games going. He's deciding/prioritizing who he wants and assessing the cost. Short term need vs long term build.

The problem is this team has so many holes in the roster, if he can't get the QB who will take them to 11-12 wins he might just say f-it, build around the QB in 2021, trade for Jimmy/MM and have them rework their deal and address it in 2022.

That won't go over well at all but it's not without logic.

If Cam is starting in 2021 i'm swimming with seals on the Cape this summer.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’m going to be completely honest - if he has another dogshit draft and the QB position is still a mess, I’m going to begin to say that maybe he should call it a career for the first time ever in my history here. I’ll be patient with a rookie and even a guy like Alex Smith as a placeholder. That’s hope. Caserio leaving gives hope, since the drafts immediately took a sharp nosedive when he became the main voice in the room and Reese left. But if he maintains what’s become the status quo on draft night after allowing Brady to get to FA (only to win a Super Bowl with his new team while we put out a 1930s offense), I’ll start to think that the game has passed him by.

You are 100% correct.

Great coaches never "retire". Someone needs to tell them that.

Hes got a year, maybe two - max.

 

[crawhammer]

GOAT Head Coach?

Pick from this list (or insert head coach X). If any of the listed accomplishments are inaccurate then you can blame some guy named Aaron Tallent (as I lifted it from one of his articles). The commentary at the end is mine.

Bill Parcells
New York Giants 1983-90; New England 1993-96; New York Jets 1997-99; Dallas Cowboys 2003-06
172-130-1 (19 years), 11-8 in playoffs
5 division titles
3 Super Bowl appearances (XXI, XXV, XXXI)
Super Bowl XXI, XXV champion
Made the playoffs with four different teams.

Chuck Noll
Pittsburgh 1969-91
193-148-1 (23 years), 16-8 in playoffs
9 division titles
Super Bowl IX, X, XIII, XIV champion (four in six seasons)

Tom Landry
Dallas 1960-78
250-162-6 (29 years), 20-16 in playoffs
13 division titles
5 Super Bowl appearances (V, VI, X, XII, XIII)
Super Bowl VI, XII champion
Record 20 straight winning seasons.

George Halas
Decatur/Chicago Staleys (APFA) 1920-21; Chicago 1922-29, ’33-42, ’46-55, ’58-67
318-148-31 (40 years), 6-3 in playoffs
10 division titles
6 NFL championships (1921, ’33, ’40-41, ’46, ’63)

Joe Gibbs
Washington 1981-92, 2004-07
154-94 (16 years), 17-7 in playoffs
5 division titles
4 Super Bowl appearances (XVII, XVIII, XXII, XXVI)
Super Bowl XVII, XXII, XXVI champion
Won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks.

Paul Brown
Cleveland Browns (AAFC) 1946-49; Cleveland 1950-62; Cincinnati 1968-75
213-104-9 (25 years), 9-8 in playoffs
14 division titles
4 AAFC championships (1946-49)
3 NFL championships (1950, ’54-55)

Bill Walsh
San Francisco 1979-88
92-59-1 (10 years), 10-4 in playoffs
6 division titles
Super Bowl XVI, XIX, XXIII champion

Don Shula
Baltimore Colts 1963-69, Miami 1970-95
328-156-6 (33 years), 19-17 in playoffs
16 division titles
6 Super Bowl appearances (III, VI, VII, VIII, XVII, XIX)
Super Bowl VII, VIII champion
Only perfect season in NFL history.

Vince Lombardi
Green Bay 1959-67; Washington 1969
96-34-6 (10 years), 9-1 in playoffs
6 division titles
3 NFL championships (1961-62, ’65)
Super Bowl I, II champion

Bill Belichick
Cleveland 1991-95; New England 2000-Present
280-136 (26 years), 31-12 in playoffs
17 division titles
9 Super Bowl appearances (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII, XLVI, XLIX, LI, LII, LIII)
Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII champion

Of course Belichick is still going which may actually knock him down a few pegs before he's done. A few more sub-.500 seasons while Brady's competing for Super Bowl titles and Belichick is definitely going to take a hit in the short-term. However, a hundred years from now those 6 Super Bowls are going to look mighty impressive. Is he the GOAT of head coaching though?

Belichick's mentor, Bill Parcells won 2 Super Bowls with 2 different quarterbacks and he made the playoff with 4 different teams. Ultimately his transient nature probably worked against him but Parcells did accomplished a lot with some pretty mediocre quarterbacks.

Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks, which is among the most impressive accomplishments for a head coach.

Bill Walsh retired at the peak of his career. Probably would have won 3-4 more Super Bowls with Montana/Young had he stuck around. Those San Fran rosters were incredible.

Shula's accomplishments are obviously impressive but he also inexplicably failed to win a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

Overall a lot of impressive accomplishments by some great head coaches. I think Belichick stands out as the head coach most directly tied to the accomplishments of a single player i.e. subtract the player (Brady) and the whole thing crumbles like a house of cards. The most infamous coaching decision (benching Butler) belongs to Belichick as well.

I'm curious if anyone would have any of these head coaches (or others) ranked higher than Belichick?

 

[Joker]

I'm not curious. I'll whack off using my d!ck instead of my brain. Your post is just that, mental masturbation.

 

[Tony2046]

GOAT Head Coach?

Pick from this list (or insert head coach X). If any of the listed accomplishments are inaccurate then you can blame some guy named Aaron Tallent (as I lifted it from one of his articles). The commentary at the end is mine.

Bill Parcells
New York Giants 1983-90; New England 1993-96; New York Jets 1997-99; Dallas Cowboys 2003-06
172-130-1 (19 years), 11-8 in playoffs
5 division titles
3 Super Bowl appearances (XXI, XXV, XXXI)
Super Bowl XXI, XXV champion
Made the playoffs with four different teams.

Chuck Noll
Pittsburgh 1969-91
193-148-1 (23 years), 16-8 in playoffs
9 division titles
Super Bowl IX, X, XIII, XIV champion (four in six seasons)

Tom Landry
Dallas 1960-78
250-162-6 (29 years), 20-16 in playoffs
13 division titles
5 Super Bowl appearances (V, VI, X, XII, XIII)
Super Bowl VI, XII champion
Record 20 straight winning seasons.

George Halas
Decatur/Chicago Staleys (APFA) 1920-21; Chicago 1922-29, ’33-42, ’46-55, ’58-67
318-148-31 (40 years), 6-3 in playoffs
10 division titles
6 NFL championships (1921, ’33, ’40-41, ’46, ’63)

Joe Gibbs
Washington 1981-92, 2004-07
154-94 (16 years), 17-7 in playoffs
5 division titles
4 Super Bowl appearances (XVII, XVIII, XXII, XXVI)
Super Bowl XVII, XXII, XXVI champion
Won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks.

Paul Brown
Cleveland Browns (AAFC) 1946-49; Cleveland 1950-62; Cincinnati 1968-75
213-104-9 (25 years), 9-8 in playoffs
14 division titles
4 AAFC championships (1946-49)
3 NFL championships (1950, ’54-55)

Bill Walsh
San Francisco 1979-88
92-59-1 (10 years), 10-4 in playoffs
6 division titles
Super Bowl XVI, XIX, XXIII champion

Don Shula
Baltimore Colts 1963-69, Miami 1970-95
328-156-6 (33 years), 19-17 in playoffs
16 division titles
6 Super Bowl appearances (III, VI, VII, VIII, XVII, XIX)
Super Bowl VII, VIII champion
Only perfect season in NFL history.

Vince Lombardi
Green Bay 1959-67; Washington 1969
96-34-6 (10 years), 9-1 in playoffs
6 division titles
3 NFL championships (1961-62, ’65)
Super Bowl I, II champion

Bill Belichick
Cleveland 1991-95; New England 2000-Present
280-136 (26 years), 31-12 in playoffs
17 division titles
9 Super Bowl appearances (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII, XLVI, XLIX, LI, LII, LIII)
Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII champion

Of course Belichick is still going which may actually knock him down a few pegs before he's done. A few more sub-.500 seasons while Brady's competing for Super Bowl titles and Belichick is definitely going to take a hit in the short-term. However, a hundred years from now those 6 Super Bowls are going to look mighty impressive. Is he the GOAT of head coaching though?

Belichick's mentor, Bill Parcells won 2 Super Bowls with 2 different quarterbacks and he made the playoff with 4 different teams. Ultimately his transient nature probably worked against him but Parcells did accomplished a lot with some pretty mediocre quarterbacks.

Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks, which is among the most impressive accomplishments for a head coach.

Bill Walsh retired at the peak of his career. Probably would have won 3-4 more Super Bowls with Montana/Young had he stuck around. Those San Fran rosters were incredible.

Shula's accomplishments are obviously impressive but he also inexplicably failed to win a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

Overall a lot of impressive accomplishments by some great head coaches. I think Belichick stands out as the head coach most directly tied to the accomplishments of a single player i.e. subtract the player (Brady) and the whole thing crumbles like a house of cards. The most infamous coaching decision (benching Butler) belongs to Belichick as well.

I'm curious if anyone would have any of these head coaches (or others) ranked higher than Belichick?

 

[Calhoun44]

There’s a need at literally every single positional grouping on the roster except *MAYBE* RB and CB. Even then, those two are debatable due to Gilmore’s cap number and age, and the fact that both Harris and Michel have yet to get through an entire season unscathed in their careers. Fans have no choice but to be patient. There’s way too much work to do on this roster for the job to be finished in one offseason.

Wouldn't you say that it true of almost every team, especially this year with so many teams up against the salary cap? Also, I feel like they are solid on ST. RB to me is definitely not a need for this team currently. If White leaves, then you can say *MAYBE*. Also, our HC position is rock solid and our OC has been pretty solid over the years. But I realize you were just talking about the roster, so that is more of an aside.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wouldn't you say that it true of almost every team, especially this year with so many teams up against the salary cap? Also, I feel like they are solid on ST. RB to me is definitely not a need for this team currently. If White leaves, then you can say *MAYBE*. Also, our HC position is rock solid and our OC has been pretty solid over the years. But I realize you were just talking about the roster, so that is more of an aside.

No. That’s not really true of most teams. It’s true of a few other teams. The top teams in each conference, which is where we want to be again, have a few needs. They’re mostly centered around resigning their own pieces. We’re staring down a total rebuild.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm not curious. I'll whack off using my d!ck instead of my brain. Your post is just that, mental masturbation.

Bob Kraft burner account has been identified. I always knew you were a jerkoff, Bobby.

 

[Joker]

Bob Kraft burner account has been identified. I always knew you were a jerkoff, Bobby.

I have never personally jerked myself off, Mr. Diction...I always let Sum Yung Ting do it for me

 

[203Pat]

Yep. Asking fans to be patient, think economically and recall how BB has approached FA the last 20 years is way too much to ask.

To be fair you might as well toss the last 20 years out the window.

 

[Calhoun44]

No. That’s not really true of most teams. It’s true of a few other teams. The top teams in each conference, which is where we want to be again, have a few needs. They’re mostly centered around resigning their own pieces. We’re staring down a total rebuild.

I guess I'm a bit more of a half full type guy. I've always seen my favorite teams as better than they really are, so it doesn't surprise me that i see this team in a better light than most folks. I'm an unabashed "homer". Time will tell how much it will take to get us back into the conference contender category.

 

[Calhoun44]

To be fair you might as well toss the last 20 years out the window.

How is that fair? Are you saying that it is fair because Brady is gone?

 

[Ring 6]

Yep. Asking fans to be patient, think economically and recall how BB has approached FA the last 20 years is way too much to ask.

Well come on it’s one losing season.
That’s inexcusable for the guy the fans let win for them.

 

[Hyped]

The game was certainly in reach until the Howard kickoff return for a touchdown. Then White took over.


I think it was Poole.

That is exactly how I remember that game. Been a long time now..damn...

 

[Biffins]

Yep. Asking fans to be patient, think economically and recall how BB has approached FA the last 20 years is way too much to ask.

BB approached FA the last 20 years knowing he had the QB sorted and the best player in the game usually at a below market contract.

Things feel different now because they ARE different

 

[Biffins]

Well come on it’s one losing season.
That’s inexcusable for the guy the fans let win for them.

BB’s record without Brady is sub 0.5 and that’s true at both the Browns and Patriots

 

[Biffins]

I have no f-ing idea what he'll do.

He doesn't have a franchise QB and has more cap space this year than in any of the 20 years running the team. He can also create another $20m with a couple of pink slips and trades. He also has 6 picks in the top 140. Not a boatload of picks but enough to move around.

I do believe he knows he needs to upgrade the talent on both sides of the ball in a major way.

I do believe we will see him "pay" for a couple of top guys (WR? LB?) and get a ton of guys on reasonable contracts. He'll need to be careful as that cap space might be needed because.......

If the QB he wants/doesn't fall into striking distance at 15 he might take Rosseau, Surtain or Farley and he'll trade for Jimmy or MM.

Why does the defense need retooling? It was number one defense in just 2019

 

[Biffins]

My concern is if BB wants a vet like Mariota...he shouldn't wait forever to get him. Spending most of the CAP space on other players / positions may not leave much for trading a starting caliber QB. Also the longer BB waits...chances are the price for said QB will go up because of bidding.

Imagine BB goes out to get a veteran and offers the same contract (or close to) that he offered Brady. We’ll all be pissed!!!!