Belichick criticism mega-thread

[mariomega]

What part of defying the odds do you not understand. A QB over 40 has won the Super Bowl twice. Both by Brady. What Brady is doing has never been done before. So how Belichick to know for sure that Brady could do it when hundreds of other QBs have broken down by 40 and Brady is second.

I am not making excuses. I am saying his rational. Probably the same rational that most GMs would have done in the same position.

There are a lot of things I blame Belichick for as a GM. Drafting Garoppolo and trying to make him Brady's heir apparent isn't one of them. The odds were by the time Jimmy was the starting QB in San Fran, Brady would be a shell of his GOAT self. To Brady's credit, he wasn't and he still isn't.

Brady is the GOAT.

And he carried this franchise to 6 SBs.

I do not want anyone to compare him to others.
He is one of a kind and should be treated like that.

 

[mariomega]

He is quoting other people. And other people have confirmed it. I don't know if it is true, but it seems to be.

It is not. SHAM is a ****in liar. Multiple sauces.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't get why Kraft gets a free pass on the loss of Brady.

Because BB is in charge of personnel, and a lot of the reporting on the JAG situation indicated that Kraft essentially stopped BB from moving Brady back then. So, I expect that most people are loathe to blame Kraft for not telling BB to pound sand a second time, when the QB was 42 years old. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just guessing as the the "why" of it.

 

[Rob0729]

If you're a powerful guy like Kraft, owning the best NFL franchise, saying you consider Brady your son, did you let BB dump Brady?

For god's sake, this narrative is BS.

Brady was always a good soldier, a pristine leader and if Kraft intervened, Brady would still be here.

Belichick didn't dump Brady. Brady chose not to re-sign with the Pats. Brady opted out of his contract and per the contract, the Pats couldn't franchise him. So Kraft no way to stop Brady from leaving if Brady wanted to leave.

And if Kraft could have intervened he would have. Brady means more to him than on the field. Brady was the brand and Kraft is a marketer. If it was up to Kraft, Brady would be here.

And I am not blaming Brady for wanting to leave. I might have done the same in his position. At his age, he only has so many bits at the apple. And the Pats clearly did not look like a strong contender with or without him. I probably would have bolted to to a team that I had a shot at winning the Super Bowl this past year and Tampa had far more talent.

 

[amfootball]

Because BB is in charge of personnel, and a lot of the reporting on the JAG situation indicated that Kraft essentially stopped BB from moving Brady back then. So, I expect that most people are loathe to blame Kraft for not telling BB to pound sand a second time, when the QB was 42 years old. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just guessing as the the "why" of it.

On the surface, it does make sense. But man, did this blow up royally in their faces. Everything that could have went wrong in terms of this decision happened and it made everyone in mgmt look like complete and total clowns.

 

[crawhammer]

The BB cancel culture point to 1995 as a way to show how Bill sucks without a good QB need to revisit history and account for what really happened in 1995.

On Week 4 they spanked an eventual 13-3 Chiefs team 35-17 to run their record to 3-1. Up to that point Modell kept his conversations with the Browns minority owners and John Moag head of the MD Stadium Authority in secret.

Because Modell did not want to be in a situation where he would need to move a very good, possible Super Bowl team, he purposely sabotaged their morale and focus and leaked news of the move to the press and asked select players and front office personnel (see Ozzie Newsome) behind BB's back about about a move to Baltimore.

So they lost a bunch of games because they were distracted? Aren't you the same guy who says the sudden benching of a 3-year starter wasn't at all distracting for a team competing in the Super Bowl? Seems like you're highly inconsistent at best.

That Week 4 victory by the way was their only meaningful win of the 1995 season. Their other 4 wins were against teams with losing records. They lost games because they weren't good. By that time Belichick's sh*tty drafts had caught up with the team, which would go on to stink in Baltimore until new management was able to straighten out the pitiful state of Belichick's roster.

Cleveland wasn't even that good in the 1 season out of 5 that wasn't a total failure. Go back and look at 1994. They beat 2 teams over .500 and one of those teams was the Patriots. Bledsoe threw 7 picks in 2 games against Cleveland. So no, 1994 was nothing special for Belichick. His non-Brady offense had the same problem they usually had, they sucked. Belichick was destined to be a career DC. But then 199 and Mo Lewis happened. Dumb luck x2.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady is the GOAT.

And he carried this franchise to 6 SBs.

I do not want anyone to compare him to others.
He is one of a kind and should be treated like that.

I think we know who is truly blinded by their biases.

Brady is the GOAT, but he is defying what was accepted medical science before him. Most men's bodies decline at a certain age. Brady's hasn't. At least not enough to make a significant decline in his game. We aren't talking his talent. We are talking his physiology.

That is a huge credit to him and how he trains and keeps his body, but no matter how much he claimed he would play to 45, there was no way to believe he could until he proved it.

 

[mariomega]

I think we know who is truly blinded by their biases.

Brady is the GOAT, but he is defying what was accepted medical science before him. Most men's bodies decline at a certain age. Brady's hasn't. At least not enough to make a significant decline in his game. We aren't talking his talent. We are talking his physiology.

That is a huge credit to him and how he trains and keeps his body, but no matter how much he claimed he would play to 45, there was no way to believe he could until he proved it.

I don't care.
He delivered 6.
Spineless Kraft should've supported him until the end.
Lakers did with Kobe.

Why couldn't the midget?

 

[Rob0729]

On the surface, it does make sense. But man, did this blow up royally in their faces. Everything that could have went wrong in terms of this decision happened and it made everyone in mgmt look like complete and total clowns.

Although it blew up in Belichick's face, I am not sure the divorce was he worst thing for either party. Obviously, it worked out great for Brady. But the Pats weren't going to the Super Bowl with or without Brady this year. They didn't have nearly enough talent. The Pats had to move on from Brady in the next year or two anyway. There is no guarantee that Brady won't hit the age wall hard next season or even if he stayed the Pats could have put enough talent around Brady next year to make one last run with Brady.

I hated to see Brady go and watch him play in another uniform. But I think moving on from Brady when they did may have been as good of a time as any. It just looks really bad in hindsight. But say the Pats draft Mac Jones and Jones end ups winning two or three Super Bowls, the Pats may be better off in the long run because they wouldn't have gotten Jones if they had Brady this year.

 

[203Pat]

Reports were he did. Brady just wanted to leave. Kraft tried to keep him.

Lol yes I sure believe those reports. Brady didn't want to leave until it was obvious Bill didn't want him here.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't care.
He delivered 6.
Spineless Kraft should've supported him until the end.
Lakers did with Kobe.

Why couldn't the midget?

Kraft treated Brady like a son. Let's not revise history. I am sure Kraft would have done whatever he could to keep Brady. I think once Brady voided his contract, he had no intention of coming back.

 

[crawhammer]

I said he was good with flashes of elite. And I also said that his lack of eliteness could be the way he was used , but he was clearly a game manager early in his career. That is a fact.

Name any other quarterback in the history of the league who was a game manager yet won 3 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP's in his first 4 years as a starter. Or at any point in his career.

You keep ridiculously repeating Brady wasn't elite during 2001-2004 (or 2001-2003)... name any quarterback in the NFL was better than Brady during that span of time.

 

[mariomega]

Although it blew up in Belichick's face, I am not sure the divorce was he worst thing for either party. Obviously, it worked out great for Brady. But the Pats weren't going to the Super Bowl with or without Brady this year. They didn't have nearly enough talent. The Pats had to move on from Brady in the next year or two anyway. There is no guarantee that Brady won't hit the age wall hard next season or even if he stayed the Pats could have put enough talent around Brady next year to make one last run with Brady.

I hated to see Brady go and watch him play in another uniform. But I think moving on from Brady when they did may have been as good of a time as any. It just looks really bad in hindsight. But say the Pats draft Mac Jones and Jones end ups winning two or three Super Bowls, the Pats may be better off in the long run because they wouldn't have gotten Jones if they had Brady this year.

You think winning a SB is just like that, draft Mac Jones and win a bunch, 2 or 3.

You are in for a rude awakening soon.

Just wait and let's see who gets the last laugh.

 

[Rob0729]

Lol yes I sure believe those reports. Brady didn't want to leave until it was obvious Bill didn't want him here.

I am sure Brady didn't like how Belichick treated him, but I also think Brady decided that at age 42 that he didn't want to go to a team without enough talent to give him a serious shot at the Super Bowl. It was clear Brady was miserable in 2019. He didn't hide that fact. I don't think he wanted to go through another year like that.

 

[mariomega]

Kraft treated Brady like a son. Let's not revise history. I am sure Kraft would have done whatever he could to keep Brady. I think once Brady voided his contract, he had no intention of coming back.

He voided because BB did not want Brady anymore, he just asked for a 2-year contract, BB did not give him.
And Kraft could stepped in and said: BB, give my son a 5-year contract. He wants to play until 45? **** it, make it happen right now.

 

[Deus Irae]

On the surface, it does make sense. But man, did this blow up royally in their faces. Everything that could have went wrong in terms of this decision happened and it made everyone in mgmt look like complete and total clowns.

Absolutely. They had the G.O.A.T.. They let him walk because money/years when neither should have been an issue. The management side completely screwed the pooch.

 

[mariomega]

Name any other quarterback in the history of the league who was a game manager yet won 3 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP's in his first 4 years as a starter. Or at any point in his career.

You keep ridiculously repeating Brady wasn't elite during 2001-2004 (or 2001-2003)... name any quarterback in the NFL was better than Brady during that span of time.

Let's just stop. Do not throw your pearls before swine.

 

[Rob0729]

Name any other quarterback in the history of the league who was a game manager yet won 3 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP's in his first 4 years as a starter. Or at any point in his career.

You keep ridiculously repeating Brady wasn't elite during 2001-2004 (or 2001-2003)... name any quarterback in the NFL was better than Brady during that span of time.

It is two in three years. But the Redskins won two Super Bowls in I think four years two different QBs as game managers (Doug Williams and Mark Rypien).

Manning was better than Brady in 2001 and 2003. Favre was better too. Kurt Warner. Rich Gannon. There is four.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So they lost a bunch of games because they were distracted? Aren't you the same guy who says the sudden benching of a 3-year starter wasn't at all distracting for a team competing in the Super Bowl? Seems like you're highly inconsistent at best.

That Week 4 victory by the way was their only meaningful win of the 1995 season. Their other 4 wins were against teams with losing records. They lost games because they weren't good. By that time Belichick's sh*tty drafts had caught up with the team, which would go on to stink in Baltimore until new management was able to straighten out the pitiful state of Belichick's roster.

Cleveland wasn't even that good in the 1 season out of 5 that wasn't a total failure. Go back and look at 1994. They beat 2 teams over .500 and one of those teams was the Patriots. Bledsoe threw 7 picks in 2 games against Cleveland. So no, 1994 was nothing special for Belichick. His non-Brady offense had the same problem they usually had, they sucked. Belichick was destined to be a career DC. But then 199 and Mo Lewis happened. Dumb luck x2.

 

[mariomega]

It is two in three years. But the Redskins won two Super Bowls in I think four years two different QBs as game managers (Doug Williams and Mark Rypien).

Manning was better than Brady in 2001 and 2003. Favre was better too. Kurt Warner. Rich Gannon. There is four.

Kurt Warner? Rich Gannon? Hahaha Ok then