PATRIOTS NEWS Belichick criticism mega-thread

[Rob0729]

Because those defensive players credited Brady with the turn around. He was the ultimate game manager for that team which helped the defense to play to its potential. He didn't turn the ball over, scored on crap teams to make their jobs easier and was super clutch. I mean look at Tampa's defensive stats this year vs last year because Brady did the exact same thing for them. One complements the other.

Was it Brady or getting Bledsoe out of there. Stop it. Brady as a 22 year old back up coming in to the game after the starter was injured didn't turn the Pats' defense into the best defense in the league going down the stretch. This is getting ridiculous. Hell, Brady as a 32 year old season veteran isn't going to make a bad defense become the best defense in the NFL because he is a great leader. Neither it a 42 year old Brady. It is all platitudes.

 

[crawhammer]

And wouldn't have trusted Manning to do that final drive in New Orleans or the final drive in the Snow Bowl, but I think a player with the skills Manning had at that point could have not needed those drives because they could have done what Brady was doing in 2004 and beyond. I think Manning could have scored more than 10 point in the first 58 minutes of the Super Bowl.

You're basing this on what? Domeboy's inflated regular season passing stats? Did you not pay attention to his career? He wasn't a good postseason quarterback and he especially sucked in Super Bowls. Be consistent, if you're not trusting Manning late and clutch or when facing adversity then you're not trusting him in the first, middle or last 58 minutes of any Super Bowl.

When Brady walked on water and turned water into wine, the whole team was firmly behind him. So what happened in 2002? Tom take a year off of his. leadership?

WTF! dude, three Super Bowl titles in his first four seasons isn't good enough for you? I don't care how the rest of the team is constructed, when a quarterback wins that many titles right out of the shoot, he's elite.

 

[amfootball]

Was it Brady or getting Bledsoe out of there. Stop it. Brady as a 22 year old back up coming in to the game after the starter was injured didn't turn the Pats' defense into the best defense in the league going down the stretch. This is getting ridiculous. Hell, Brady as a 32 year old season veteran isn't going to make a bad defense become the best defense in the NFL because he is a great leader. Neither it a 42 year old Brady. It is all platitudes.

The players, including the defensive players on the 2001 team have said just that. So have the Tampa players this year.

 

[Rob0729]

You're basing this on what? Domeboy's inflated regular season passing stats? Did you not pay attention to his career? He wasn't a good postseason quarterback and he especially sucked in Super Bowls. Be consistent, if you're not trusting Manning late and clutch or when facing adversity then you're not trusting him in the first, middle or last 58 minutes of any Super Bowl.


WTF! dude, three Super Bowl titles in his first four seasons isn't good enough for you? I don't care how the rest of the team is constructed, when a quarterback wins that many titles right out of the shoot, he's elite.

I have said many times. The first two or three Super Bowls were because of Belichick than Brady and the rest are more Brady than Belichick. This thread is a thread to basically bash Belichick with some people calling Belichick a product of Brady. But Belichick won those Super Bowls too and Brady's defensive game plan on how to stop the Greatest Show on Turf isn't in the Hall of Fame. You would never guess whose game plan is though.

I am a huge Brady fan. My home office and man cave are shrines to the guy. I literally have thousands and thousands of dollars of framed merchandise and signed pictures and jersey of the guy on the walls. But I can look at this objectively and see that Brady wasn't a finished product when he first started and it took him several years to become the an elite QB. Whether he had it in him all along and he was held back or he just wasn't there yet can be debated. But he was a game manager and rarely asked to carry the team on a weekly basis.

Maybe you were too young to remember what the Pats were in the dawn of the new century, but that was back in the days where Brady considered a system QB and a product of Belichick by a lot NFL observers (and not just Pats haters). Why? Because the Pats won on defense, not offense.

 

[PatsWSB47]

The Pats overachieved because of their defense. Again, the Pats had the best defense in the NFL the second half of the season and the playoffs. Why are people ignoring that?

And Brady was a game manager in 2001. Manning indoors or outdoors could have done that.

And I don't think Brady was the leader you think he was right out of the gun. He was a sixth round pick who came in when the starting QB got injured. Seasoned veterans are not going to follow a guy like that so easily. You are projecting the finished product Brady after he was established to what he was in 2001.

And the Rams averaged giving up 17.1 PPG. The Pats scored 13 points on offense in the Super Bowl. The Pats scored below the average. And the Rams benefitted from getting big leads early in games and making the opposing offense one dimensional in 2001.

Obviously you're hell bent on discrediting Brady's importance in his early Patriots years. You're entitled to your opinion but it is an opinion. Please stop digging up misleading stats for support. Brady needed to execute the game he executed in the Suoerbowl. Then he got the TD a the end of first half. Then he drove to the winning field goal at the end of the game. That's the important stat that tells his story. It hasnt changed for 20 years

 

[Rob0729]

The players, including the defensive players on the 2001 team have said just that. So have the Tampa players this year.

You don't know what platitudes are.

The cult of Brady is insane. The Patriots defense in the second half of 2001 and in 2003 weren't the best in the NFL because of the defensive players or defensive coaching staff. It was because Tom Brady was so inspirational that he made them play better than their abilities.
Too bad leprosy is pretty much cured because I think Brady could cure people with that disease.

 

[Rob0729]

Obviously you're hell bent on discrediting Brady's impotence in his early Patriots years. You're entitled to your opinion but it is an opinion. Please stop digging up misleading stats for support. Brady needed to execute the game he executed in the Suoerbowl. Then he got the TD a the end of first half. Then he drove to the winning field goal at the end of the game. That's the important stat that tell his story. It hasnt changed for 20 years

I am not giving misleading stats. I am speaking the truth. I am not the one saying that Brady was so great that he made the defense play better than they are capable of.

I am giving what really happened not the whitewashed Brady was the greatest thing ever from day one interpretation. The Patriots until 2004 were a defense first team. Belichick believed you won defense and the offense just didn't screw up. That was how Brady played.

I am not minimizing Brady. It may look that way because I am combatting people with rose color glasses about how he played. He made a lot of key contributions to the season. But that doesn't change that he was a game manager for his first three years. And it doesn't change the fact that the defense was more impactful to those seasons than Brady. And therefore, I think Belichick was more impactful than Brady. I still think a handful of QBs could have won a Super Bowl in 2001 or 2003 because the defense was that good less about whatever Brady was.

 

[amfootball]

You don't know what platitudes are.

The cult of Brady is insane. The Patriots defense in the second half of 2001 and in 2003 weren't the best in the NFL because of the defensive players or defensive coaching staff. It was because Tom Brady was so inspirational that he made them play better than their abilities.
Too bad leprosy is pretty much cured because I think Brady could cure people with that disease.

Pretty sure you don't understand the concept of complementary football.

 

[Calhoun44]

The players, including the defensive players on the 2001 team have said just that. So have the Tampa players this year.

So, is the reverse true too? If the defense struggles sometimes, is it because the offense isn't complimenting them properly? And doesn't the defense also make offenses look better? I think all of these points are true and totally is the way BB constructs his TEAMS. BB is the mastermind that puts the pieces in place, it doesn't always work out because he is human and humans are not perfect. Brady is the field general that has been trained by BB (and other coaches) to execute the game plan, sometimes he doesn't do that as well as other times , because he is human too. Both of them are not perfect, but they are the "most perfect" to have ever been in this league "doing their jobs". It was a beautiful thing...it is over...I'm ready for the next chapter in Patriots history. Fcuk Yeah!! Go Pats!!

 

[upstater1]

Was it Brady or getting Bledsoe out of there. Stop it. Brady as a 22 year old back up coming in to the game after the starter was injured didn't turn the Pats' defense into the best defense in the league going down the stretch. This is getting ridiculous. Hell, Brady as a 32 year old season veteran isn't going to make a bad defense become the best defense in the NFL because he is a great leader. Neither it a 42 year old Brady. It is all platitudes.

The greater part of it was the defense gelling and coming together.

Do I think Bledsoe could have gotten us there? Maybe not win the Raiders game, but a 10-6 record yes.

After all, Bledsoe made some big throws in the AFCCG while the special teams and defense shined.

 

[Deus Irae]

I am not giving misleading stats. I am speaking the truth.

 

[Deus Irae]

The greater part of it was the defense gelling and coming together.

Do I think Bledsoe could have gotten us there? Maybe not win the Raiders game, but a 10-6 record yes.

After all, Bledsoe made some big throws in the AFCCG while the special teams and defense shined.

That gelling magically happened in the 30 seconds where Bledsoe got hurt?


Maybe this past season's OL should have let Newton get destroyed on the sideline. Brian Hoyer could have led the team to the title!

 

[lancerman]

You don't know what platitudes are.

The cult of Brady is insane. The Patriots defense in the second half of 2001 and in 2003 weren't the best in the NFL because of the defensive players or defensive coaching staff. It was because Tom Brady was so inspirational that he made them play better than their abilities.
Too bad leprosy is pretty much cured because I think Brady could cure people with that disease.

They don’t win the SB in 2003 after the defense falls apart if not for Brady. In 2001 that team wasn’t going anywhere with Bledsoe who was basically a statue in the pocket.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Someone thinks he's getting heard because of his much speaking.

 

[Calhoun44]

The players, including the defensive players on the 2001 team have said just that. So have the Tampa players this year.

So, is the reverse true too? If the defense struggles sometimes, is it because the offense isn't complimenting them properly? And doesn't the defense also make offenses look better? I think all of these points are true and totally is the way BB constructs his TEAMS. BB is the mastermind that puts the pieces in place, it doesn't always work out because he is human and humans are not perfect. Brady is the field general that has been trained by BB (and other coaches) to execute the game plan, sometimes he doesn't do that as well as other times , because he is human too. Both of them are not perfect, but they are the "most perfect" to have ever been in this league "doing their jobs". It was a beautiful thing...it is over...I'm ready for the next chapter in Patriots history. Fcuk Yeah!! Go Pats!!

 

[upstater1]

That gelling magically happened in the 30 seconds where Bledsoe got hurt?


Maybe this past season's OL should have let Newton get destroyed on the sideline. Brian Hoyer could have led the team to the title!

The first team to ever start the season 0-2, gentlemen, then make the playoffs. Never been done before. Once you lose the first 2, that's it, you're done:

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule | Pro-Football-Reference.com

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule

www.pro-football-reference.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

The first team to ever start the season 0-2, gentlemen, then make the playoffs. Never been done before. Once you lost the first 2, that's it, you're done:

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule | Pro-Football-Reference.com

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule

www.pro-football-reference.com

What a fun year that was. I still have the 3 playoff games on VHS somewhere.

 

[1960Pats]

Absolutely true. Damian Woody said the same thing.

Players didn't hate Drew but Tom brought an energy and a contagious enthusiasm that Drew didn't. Thats just not who he was.

Another point about Drew is how well he handled losing his job. I'm sure he wasn't happy with it but he handled it with class. If not he could have split the locker room in two.

Since PEDton has snuck into this conversation somehow, let's think about how he would have handled things if he was in Drew's shoes in that situation. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have handled it anywhere near as well as Drew. He probably would have started a revolt.

 

[Deus Irae]

The first team to ever start the season 0-2, gentlemen, then make the playoffs. Never been done before. Once you lose the first 2, that's it, you're done:

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule | Pro-Football-Reference.com

New England Patriots 1996 Games and Schedule

www.pro-football-reference.com

That attempted rebuttal literally makes no sense. Bledsoe was the starter for all sixteen 1996 games. Additionally, here are the opponent points for the next 4 games in 1996:

0
25
38
27


And here are the opponent points in the first 7 games of the 2001 season:

23
10
13
30
26
19
31

 

[venecol]

When Brady walked on water and turned water into wine, the whole team was firmly behind him. So what happened in 2002? Tom take a year off of his. leadership?

So, Brady's been the LOAT, Luckiest of all time?

Didn't realize Rob Parker's had an acct here since 2006. That's a lot of dedication from a hater. Lol