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Eh, are you rooting for us? Later I don't want to say "I told you so" It's okay to be mad at Bill but we should take the good too. I do.
I root for the Patriots. It's a family thing. If we're allowed I'll be back at my seat next season and rooting for the team in every game but one. If I thought they had any chance of being contenders next season then I would take a win over Tampa Bay too. However, Tampa Bay has a better chance at repeating next season then the Patriots do at finishing in second place in the East. So I'm out on 6-10 with a win over Tampa Bay if it hurts Tampa Bay's seeding. Does that make me a fake fan?

All set with you, pal. I have zero respect for you as a poster and as a Patriots fan. I gave you a chance and you failed.

Not worth my time.
I get it. Don't bother with someone who actually does their research and knows the history of the team. Too much effort.

I love the not a fan bit too. Like discrediting my fandom undercuts my arguments. It doesn't work that way... if you're being honest.
 
This is brilliant. Watson and a #1 for Belichick. Done.

Edit: option Watson/Fuller for Belichick

What if we trade Belichick for Watson and BB then retires. One last thing he does for us........
 
I would criticize BB for:
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
2. Butler not playing a single snap in SB 52

Not giving a 2-year contract to a QB who would be 43 at the start of the first season is a reasonable decision. It didn’t turn out well, but I can see why he thought it was the right move.
 
I would criticize BB for:
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
2. Butler not playing a single snap in SB 52

Not giving a 2-year contract to a QB who would be 43 at the start of the first season is a reasonable decision. It didn’t turn out well, but I can see why he thought it was the right move.
Not in context, it wasn't. And I'm not talking about what followed the team change.
 
What were the season-crippling mistakes by Brady? List them and we can discuss. Belichick's are well documented and discussed. If you want equitable treatment, then you first need a starting point... so go for it.
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time, but please stop implying that everything he does is perfect. As for examples we can start with the SB 46: safety, incompletions resulting in red zone FG, two incompletions leading to a 3-and-out, another 3-and-out followed by a critical 4th quarter pick; it wasn't a good game. This coming on the heels of a 0 TD/2 Int game vs Baltimore in the Billy Cundiff game, the Pats winning despite Tom. 28 incompletions in those two games combined.

The previous year in the playoff loss to the Jets there were far too many incompletions resulting in the Pats having to punt Tom got hot on the final two drives but by then it was too late, down by 10 with 3 minutes to go. On the first eight drives he went 20-32-183 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int. The pick gave the Jets the ball on the New England 12, and the game was essentially over on a 4th quarter drive with five minutes left that ended on back-to-back incompletions and a turnover on downs.

That Jets game was the second year in a row of one-and-done for the Pats. The previous year Brady completed just 54% of his passes while throwing three interceptions against the Ravens. Go back one more year to the AFCCG vs San Diego, who were averaging 26 points per game. The Patriots won because the defense limited the Chargers to 12 points, bailing Brady out of a 209 yards, three-pick game. The next game was the loss to the Giants with Tom throwing 29 incompletions, losing a critical fumble just before the half, and basically doing almost nothing on seven of the nine drives.

In the 2006 AFCCG the Pats defense scored on a pick six, and the offense started on the 40 or better five times - but that great field position resulted in only one TD and two FGs. Tom's 4th quarter drives consisted of a three-and-out; starting on the Colts 43 and having 1st down at the 13 but two incompletions resulting in settling for a FG; starting on the 46 but two more incompletions leading to another FG; an incomplete pass to Troy Brown resulting in a critical three-and-out; and the game ending on an interception.

2012 post-season: only 53% passes completed (29-54), 1 TD, 2 Int in 28-13 loss to Ravens. 2013 post-season: Pats fall behind 23-3 to Denver, with Tom going 13-22, 133 yards, 0 TD over the first three quarters while the outcome was still in doubt. 2015 post-season: Ton completes just 48% of his passes, with 1 TD and 2 Int in the 20-18 loss to Denver. Of the 60 times Brady dropped back to pass, 33 times the result was no gain and 16 were for a gain of less than ten yards. One of the pick led directly to a Broncos touchdown, and the only TD came after a turnover gave the Pats possession deep in Denver territory. 2019 post-season: 54% completions, 0 TD, 1 Int (pick-six). Zero points in the second half; last six drives consisted of a turnover on downs, four straight punts and an interception.


Despite these and other failures, Tom is still the greatest of all time. But unlike you and a vocal spoiled minority here, I don't paint the Patriots in black and white, nor find a need to stir the townsfolk into gathering their pitchfork and burning a witch.

Belichick made Brady great.
Brady made Belichick great.
 
And then Belichick and Brady both are about to get close to retirement and BB decides to find another system QB.

Both should have been draining Kraft for money and having fun at the end of the dynasty. Instead...
 
I would criticize BB for:
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
2. Butler not playing a single snap in SB 52

Not giving a 2-year contract to a QB who would be 43 at the start of the first season is a reasonable decision. It didn’t turn out well, but I can see why he thought it was the right move.

3. Not giving Brady any say in coaching the offense

Brady's decision to leave came down to the team (Belichick) not having faith in him in his ability to play at a high level for a few more years and not letting coach the offense (playcalling). I think Brady saw the confidence that was given to other QBs in the league, especially Manning in Denver who basically ran their offense, and wanted the same treatment.
 
3. Not giving Brady any say in coaching the offense

Brady's decision to leave came down to the team (Belichick) not having faith in him in his ability to play at a high level for a few more years and not letting coach the offense (playcalling). I think Brady saw the confidence that was given to other QBs in the league, especially Manning in Denver who basically ran their offense, and wanted the same treatment.
Having nobody to throw to helped
 
I just love how half of those who crucified Belichick for sticking with Brady and trading Garrapolo now want to sh!t on Belichick for letting Brady walk when he really had little choice in the matter. Brady wanted to go play somewhere else to finish his career, and Belichick, at least in my opinion, wants to build them to championship level before retiring. As far as the pol goes there are only a handful of teams, such as K.C., who wouldn’t love to have the greatest coach in football history run their franchise.
 
Sure go ahead. It is every other thread anyway.

There is nothing wrong with questioning Belichick’s decision making, but acting like he hasn’t won over 75% of their games and 6 Lombard’s over the past 20 years while doing so is pure and utter bullsh!t, and most of those sh!tting on him were doing so during the greatest dynasty run in league history. There are a lot of really ungrateful Patriot fans out there, and they really suck, and they don’t know sh!t about football.
 
I would criticize BB for:
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
2. Butler not playing a single snap in SB 52

Not giving a 2-year contract to a QB who would be 43 at the start of the first season is a reasonable decision. It didn’t turn out well, but I can see why he thought it was the right move.
Here's the deal. 2 years isn't a long time. They did nothing with that cap but keep Gilmore and Thuney. Both are likely gone anyways. They didn't have a better option last season so keep Brady last year was a net positive. This year is the only year you worry about a decline and at this point we are in a rebuild so who cares?

You let him go if you have a viable option besides him. 2 years are not long contracts. Your worst case scenario is he declines in the first year and then you have to endure it if he's unreasonable next season (see the Saints this year, and it wasn't so bad). And honestly a Tom Brady retirement tour would be one of the easiest sells in NFL history for a fanbase who was struggling.
 
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
Rodney Harrison said Pees made that call. Rodney suggested to Junior Seau that they get out of that, but Seau wanted to roll with the call. Since Rodney looked up to Seau, he trusted Seau and went along with it.

I think I read from someone on this board that everytime the Pats ran that play in the regular season, it failed.
 
I would criticize BB for:
1. 4th and 13 and all-out blitz on Burress’ TD in SB 42
2. Butler not playing a single snap in SB 52

Not giving a 2-year contract to a QB who would be 43 at the start of the first season is a reasonable decision. It didn’t turn out well, but I can see why he thought it was the right move.

It wasn’t reasonable and lots of us immediately point that.
 

Jay Williams discuss: What would it take for the Patriots to move on from Bill Belichick?​


From 6:00 onwards. Christian Fauria (ex-Patriots, 2x SB Champion) is also asked this on a radio show (he says "too early") so questions are being asked.

 

Who feels worse after Tom Brady's 7th Super Bowl win, Bill Belichick or Robert Kraft? 02/08/21​


Tom Curran says Bill is now realizing he didn't know what he was looking at last 5 years. Tom says Bill convinced Kraft to let Brady go.

 

Ben Volin says it's been a bad few weeks for Belichick I D.A. on CBS​


Ben says Belichick was along for the ride in New England and now has to prove that he can win.

 
So BB went from saying we shouldn't pay too much and we mortgaged our future................ to now being uncharacteristically aggressive? Why? Because Brady won a SB without him? Why didn't we go all out WITH Brady rather than without him?




Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason​


 
So BB went from saying we shouldn't pay too much and we mortgaged our future................ to now being uncharacteristically aggressive? Why? Because Brady won a SB without him? Why didn't we go all out WITH Brady rather than without him?




Report: Patriots Planning for 'Extremely' Aggressive Offseason​



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