Brady's dad claims Bill may be "On the hot seat"

[203Pat]

That's actually not correct but think it anyway

2019 says hello.

My guess is Belichick has a vision of a team that has:


A defense based on the league leading elite secondary.

Elite special teams

Rotational "send in waves" pass rushers.

Smart linebackers

Go back and look at the KC game. At the end of Q3, KC only had 6 points. That offense only scored 19 with 330 yards of offense.


On offense, he will start the process of going away from CAP busting franchise QB's to having:

Very competent QB play at a reasonable price with very smart scheme guys at a reasonable price

Elite offensive line that excels in the run game. People will think Belichick invented I formation football.

Great Running Back by Committee to pound smaller, faster linebackers

This model gets games in the 20-25 points range.

Lol wow.

I would love for 2019 to say hello. We were 12-4 and in the playoffs.

An elite secondary? Gilmore is all but gone and JC Jackson proved he is a good player but still not a number one. Who would the number 2 corner be? In theory it should have been Williams but he looks like a complete bust. Devin isn't going to be around forever and Chung may not even be on the team next year. Phillips is good but unless the LB position is addressed may be stuck there getting beaten to death every Sunday.

Smart linebackers? Yes of course you want smart players but we need athletes. We need guys that can run. Look at Devin White this post season. The guy was all over the field making plays. If we're going to be drafting higher the next year or so we need to land a guy like that.

Patriots fans seem to live in fantasy land with the QB position. You have to pay these guys. Average starting QBs command $25 mill a year. That is just what it is and we already saw Bill didn't want to pay that. Unless he drafts a guy we are going to be stuck with Cam, Jameis, or Fitzpatrick at QB. Guys who are willing to play for $15 million instead of $25 million.

20-25 points doesn't win in the league anymore. This is the 2003 version of the NFL you think Bill is trying to build and if that truly is the case the game has passed him by.

 

[IllegalContact]

I would love for 2019 to say hello. We were 12-4 and in the playoffs.

not because of Brady

 

[203Pat]

not because of Brady

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Lol wow.

I would love for 2019 to say hello. We were 12-4 and in the playoffs.

An elite secondary? Gilmore is all but gone and JC Jackson proved he is a good player but still not a number one. Who would the number 2 corner be? In theory it should have been Williams but he looks like a complete bust. Devin isn't going to be around forever and Chung may not even be on the team next year. Phillips is good but unless the LB position is addressed may be stuck there getting beaten to death every Sunday.

Smart linebackers? Yes of course you want smart players but we need athletes. We need guys that can run. Look at Devin White this post season. The guy was all over the field making plays. If we're going to be drafting higher the next year or so we need to land a guy like that.

Patriots fans seem to live in fantasy land with the QB position. You have to pay these guys. Average starting QBs command $25 mill a year. That is just what it is and we already saw Bill didn't want to pay that. Unless he drafts a guy we are going to be stuck with Cam, Jameis, or Fitzpatrick at QB. Guys who are willing to play for $15 million instead of $25 million.

20-25 points doesn't win in the league anymore. This is the 2003 version of the NFL you think Bill is trying to build and if that truly is the case the game has passed

not because of Brady

We're not winning Lombardi's on that plan......that's what matters.

He doesn't grasp that. He just argues.

 

[farn]

« You can be the greatest coach in NFL history with more rings than any other coach. But, here’s the catch................. an old man from northern Cali & some weirdos on a website are going to say you are on the ‘hot seat’. What say you ? »

 

[203Pat]

We're not winning Lombardi's on that plan......that's what matters.

He doesn't grasp that. He just argues.

Yes let's go back in time and score 23 points a game. That is the path to Lombardis.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I this era with all these young QBs and chicken **** passing rules Bill knows he needs to put an offense on the field that CAN score 35 if it needs to.

 

[crawhammer]

The very definition of bandwagoning...

At least when the products sucks I can acknowledge it and I can identify who's accountable. You just want to make excuses and wave your Patriots flag... COVID, opt-outs, the cap etc. all excuses. Every team in the NFL dealt with the same issues. COVID has effected everyone. Every team had opt-outs... that the Patriots had the most probably says something about what the players thought of the team. Every team has to operate under the same cap rules.

You understand your hero sent the single most successful player in the history of the league packing? Got nothing in return and had no replacement. But you stick with IBWT.

Yea once I read that any slightest bit of attention I gave his posts is gone.

He should be banned.

Soft.

That's actually not correct but think it anyway

2019 says hello.

My guess is Belichick has a vision of a team that has:

A defense based on the league leading elite secondary.

Elite special teams

Rotational "send in waves" pass rushers.

Smart linebackers

Go back and look at the KC game. At the end of Q3, KC only had 6 points. That offense only scored 19 with 330 yards of offense.

On offense, he will start the process of going away from CAP busting franchise QB's to having:

Very competent QB play at a reasonable price with very smart scheme WR's at a reasonable price

Elite offensive line that excels in the run game. People will think Belichick invented I formation football.

Great Running Back by Committee to pound smaller, faster linebackers

This model gets games in the 20-25 points range.

Where's the punchline?

 

[RobertWeathers]

At least when the products sucks I can acknowledge it and I can identify who's accountable. You just want to make excuses and wave your Patriots flag... COVID, opt-outs, the cap etc. all excuses. Every team in the NFL dealt with the same issues. COVID has effected everyone. Every team had opt-outs... that the Patriots had the most probably says something about what the players thought of the team. Every team has to operate under the same cap rules.

You understand your hero sent the single most successful player in the history of the league packing? Got nothing in return and had no replacement. But you stick with IBWT.


Soft.


Where's the punchline?

Soft? Pot meet kettle.

You publicly stated you will root for another team over the Patriots just because you are mad at management. I call ********.

Before your pathetic post, I had no problem with you bashing BB. Biffins and others do it daily. At least they stay invested in the team.

You claim to be a Pats Fan but you aren't.

You are a fraud.

When the NEP are back in the playoffs and contending for Super Bowls again, you have zero right to lay claim and call yourself a fan. None.

Respond to any of my posts and i'll rip you a new one publicly- again.

 

[IllegalContact]

Yup, why pay a coach $20m for mediocre results when you can pay $6m?

If we don’t show signs of turning it around I doubt Kraft will want to pay Bill $100m over the next 5 years.

20M is chump change next to the increase in book value of the team and it's assets.

One thing you can never deny.......none of this happens unless Kraft signs BB......none of it

 

[Digit]

« You can be the greatest coach in NFL history with more rings than any other coach. But, here’s the catch................. an old man from northern Cali & some weirdos on a website are going to say you are on the ‘hot seat’. What say you ? »

Not Belichick, but I'd argue that my team-building principles started with the Cleveland Browns team that became the Baltimore Ravens, and -that- team had a few down years but were able to consistently contend with a bunch of eh QBs for the most part, and continued with the New England Patriots, before Brady became BRADY in 2007.

It was a 7-9 season in which multiple things broke the wrong way for the Patriots, COVID-wise (Playing a Florida team the first week, a hotbed of COVID, multiple opt-outs from people who didn't want to expose their families, being forced to play in crowded conditions), and they -still- somehow managed to be in the playoff picture for much of the time.

I'm not gonna count out Belichick. Belichick's teams generally have been built on smart players able to play multiple roles, not pure talent, and in this COVID era, with less practice time, well, it's not terribly surprising that the playoff teams are the ones with talented players who have had more time -together- than teams that were hit harder by COVID and haven't had much time to gel without practice. And I think New England's overall problem was with Cam Newton's arm making it difficult to rely on his passing to keep defenses honest than a pure team construction issue, which resulted in more pressure being put on defense and special teams. A passer who could at least keep defenses from sitting on the run would have helped the team a lot more in their ball-control team build...

Granted, this makes what Tom Brady did in Tampa pretty remarkable, but I think he was helped by having more pure talent on offense and a ferocious defense. Of couse, that team was put together by an ex-NE front office guy who learned from Belichick, so... eh, I think Belichick does know something about GM'ing..

In a digression, btw, I suspect the real problem with Belichick's 'GM' skills isn't that they've gotten worse, but that right now is that there are too many teams around the leagues who are co-opting what they learned from him, which means increased competition for his kind of players based off his analytical styles, which means their valuations are going to be similar to his and he has less 'value mismatches' to exploit.

Baltimore (the original Browns built off that team Belichick built in Cleveland), KC (Pioli's time there), Detroit (Quinn's time there), Miami (Flores), Tennessee (Vrabel), Tampa Bay (Licht), Houston (O'Brien, Caserio), Atlanta (Dmitroff), Buffalo (Daboll).

Hopefully enough of them have removed themselves from that kind of competition...

 

[IllegalContact]

Bill isn't being fired but he also doesn't have an infinite amount of time to rebuild this team. The clock has started.

I think he's here as long as he wants to be

 

[patsfanincleveland]

At least when the products sucks I can acknowledge it and I can identify who's accountable. You just want to make excuses and wave your Patriots flag... COVID, opt-outs, the cap etc. all excuses. Every team in the NFL dealt with the same issues. COVID has effected everyone. Every team had opt-outs... that the Patriots had the most probably says something about what the players thought of the team. Every team has to operate under the same cap rules.

You understand your hero sent the single most successful player in the history of the league packing? Got nothing in return and had no replacement. But you stick with IBWT.


Soft.


Where's the punchline?

You own a mirror?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Have we settled whether or not Bill is on the hot seat?

 

[IllegalContact]

We shouldn't have needed a rebuild until Brady retired.

except that the perpetual cap situation the pats are in from winning so many times prevented the pats from actually getting the pieces brady wanted and having this team still be a winner. The winning was over whether Brady remained here or not.

 

[IllegalContact]

how many superbowls does scoring 13 points win? they were lucky the defense showed up

 

[RobertWeathers]

Have we settled whether or not Bill is on the hot seat?

It's kinda like my car which has heated leather seats. There are 3 settings.

Right now Bill is on setting one. A crap 2021 he is on 2. A 3-13 2021 his is on 3.

 

[50-yard-line]

Pats fans on this board wouldve been happy if brady struggled to a 5-11 season and BB was right and the media dumping on the Goat QB as a product of some system. Its kinda sad.

Really is.

The Pats had to pick between Brady and Jimmy. They picked Brady (I agree), but then they didn't treat him like he'd be around. I wanted them to just give him the deal that would keep him here to retirement, and if that meant a couple of bad years, so be it (although Brady would never keep playing if he declined too much).

After last year, it was clear he had to go - for himself more than anything. He was miserable here and they couldn't possibly surround him with the kind of talent he found in Tampa.

Rooted for him, was thrilled yesterday with the beat down. But making this TB vs. BB is kind of silly. BB went into a season without a top-QB, with a team decimated by FA and then opt-outs, where Brady went to arguably the most talented roster in the league.

Who would you keep on the Pats DL or LB corps over the crew TB put out there? Which receivers or TEs would you take from the Pats over the top 4 WRs, the top 3 TEs in Tampa?

TBay is in the sweet zone: they're loaded with top-15, top-50, top 100 picks still on rookies deals, and they grabbed a bunch of vets on the cheap to compliment them. They are loaded - if they repeat next year, who'd be surprised (cake schedule, too, as they didn't finish 1st in their division and their division is a dumpster fire).

I really fail to see the point of arguing the BB vs TB into the ground. There was no way BB was fielding a good team this year, and no way Brady wasn't going to elevate that monster roster in TB. Furthermore, BB is here, he ain't going anywhere until he wants to, so the constant wah-wah crap is kind of like yelling at a TV show you hate while binge-watching it, or reading a 500-page novel and hating every page.

I look at it this way: I have a team to root for while the pats climb back into contention. Yesterday was a blast.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

At least when the products sucks I can acknowledge it and I can identify who's accountable. You just want to make excuses and wave your Patriots flag... COVID, opt-outs, the cap etc. all excuses. Every team in the NFL dealt with the same issues. COVID has effected everyone. Every team had opt-outs... that the Patriots had the most probably says something about what the players thought of the team. Every team has to operate under the same cap rules.

You understand your hero sent the single most successful player in the history of the league packing? Got nothing in return and had no replacement. But you stick with IBWT.


Soft.


Where's the punchline?

No, I've blamed Belichick for letting Brady go. Try to keep up.

 

[Digit]

except that the perpetual cap situation the pats are in from winning so many times prevented the pats from actually getting the pieces brady wanted and having this team still be a winner. The winning was over whether Brady remained here or not.

Not to mention that the team basically already rebuilt on the fly several times while Brady was younger and able to keep the team at least in contending status. It just seems like Brady got fed up with trying to train up the younger players at this period of time in the Patriots' system, by the way he was behaving the last few years. Which is, honestly, understandable because Brady hasn't got that kind of time left to wait for the Patriots to get that sort of talent around him again.

(Edit: That said, I think things would have been very different if Gronkowski and Brown had been around last year. Having Gronk retired and Brown unable to STOP TEXTING and Gordon being unable to break his addictions... that was sort of a whole mess of screwed up receiving plans...)