Can we finally stop pretending that Cam is good?

[RIpats88]

I don't think any team would really audition a guy who has played no meaningful snaps in the NFL for the backup role. I don't need to see Stid as a starter, what I've seen so far is plenty enough.

We really haven't seen anything though. We see him go out in mop up duty with backups look more accurate than cam but be Abit more careless with the ball. But that TD to harry earlier in the year was something cam can't do.

it seems we are just saying well if Bill plays cam he must be better. It could just be (IMO) the guys love cam he's a positive role model and influence and bill doesn't want to upset the apple cart.

 

[amfootball]

Kenny Young says Cam Newton's body language tipped Rams on pick-six play | Boston.com

If he sees Cam doing this then why hasn't Bill or Josh?

Those are the intricacies of the game. Not sure Josh or Bill would see that. As a QB you have to change up what you are doing so you don't give tells.

 

[Pats2000]

I'd welcome Cam back next year for competition at running back

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thinking the guy isn't an NFL QB doesn't make me a hater. Playing Stidham now serves no purpose, that was my point.

Comparing a guy who has never started and has only been in the league for 2 years (including a CV-19 year) to a 15 year veteran and saying they both have the same upside is intellectually bankrupt, and its reasonable to assume (yes it is an assumption but a reasonable one) that you are an emotional hater for whatever reason.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

Maybe BB is doing Stidham a favor by not putting him out there. Maybe at this point of his careers based on what BB has seen it's important that Stidham take notes and continue to improve through practice; getting live bullets when appropriate. Maybe letting him go out there to please fans upset with Cams performance is setting him up to fail. Going out and getting throttled might break the kid mentally and stunt any hope for a future, be it for the Patriots or Stidhams career in general.

Just food for thought...

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

@Ring 6

I think Hoyer is worse than Cam.

I understand your point on Cam being bad, but Cam at least has leader attributes (even if he sucks now) and is very charismatic. Neither QB can win us a SB but at least Cam might be able to make the guys around him motivated.

 

[Ring 6]

@Ring 6

I think Hoyer is worse than Cam.

I understand your point on Cam being bad, but Cam at least has leader attributes (even if he sucks now) and is very charismatic. Neither QB can win us a SB but at least Cam might be able to make the guys around him motivated.

What tells you he is a good leader? What do you mean by charismatic and how would that have any impact on winning football games.
his “leadership” has led us to one of the few worst offenses in the nfl.
What about him would motivate other players? Wining motivates. Success motivates. Snappy dressing doesn’t motivate.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

What tells you he is a good leader? What do you mean by charismatic and how would that have any impact on winning football games.
his “leadership” has led us to one of the few worst offenses in the nfl.
What about him would motivate other players? Wining motivates. Success motivates. Snappy dressing doesn’t motivate.

I think he's charismatic. You can disagree which is okay. Its how he carries himself. He's also the first one in the building (if reports are true) and seems to always bring a positive attitude to practices.

If not for that, the only other reason I can guess he's starting is somebody else pointed out that they said he'd be able to start all 16 games? If not that either, why do you think he's starting? Do you think Belichick is making a mistake at the moment?

 

[Ring 6]

I think he's charismatic. You can disagree which is okay. Its how he carries himself. He's also the first one in the building (if reports are true) and seems to always bring a positive attitude to practices.

If not for that, the only other reason I can guess he's starting is somebody else pointed out that they said he'd be able to start all 16 games? If not that either, why do you think he's starting? Do you think Belichick is making a mistake at the moment?

Do you really think that charisma and having a positive attitude are unique to him? So you really think they justify the horrific football he is playing?
Tebow had charisma, mark sanchez had charisma.

Of course belichick is making a mistake.

 

[sb1]

Do you really think that charisma and having a positive attitude are unique to him? So you really think they justify the horrific football he is playing?
Tebow had charisma, mark sanchez had charisma.

Of course belichick is making a mistake.

Both of them have won in this league and are much better than both our backup QBs.

 

[Toofy]

Looked at stidham videos from preseason and Kansas game. Much better pocket presence than cam. I don't get the hate for him. One of his first passes was dropped by julian edelman for a pick six. He has performed decently in the limited opportunities . Not earth shattering but not stinking bad... The offense always looked good when he came to center . With cam it was always skittish. If cam is not a veteran he would have been benches a while back.

Cam playing makes no sense and i don't think bill and mcD are always right .. if that be the case we shouldn't be whiffing on so many defensive backs in draft ...

We had a ATG GOAT qb who masked their deficiencies . I just feel bill wants to prove a point stating i can win even with cam newton ...

The optimist in me feels like bill is protecting stidham from the carnage and allowing him to play when we have decent weapons. But that's a super optimistic take and not true.. somewhere stidham burned the bridges ...

 

[sb1]

Looked at stidham videos from preseason and Kansas game. Much better pocket presence than cam. I don't get the hate for him. One of his first passes was dropped by julian edelman for a pick six. He has performed decently in the limited opportunities . Not earth shattering but not stinking bad... The offense always looked good when he came to center . With cam it was always skittish. If cam is not a veteran he would have been benches a while back.

Cam playing makes no sense and i don't think bill and mcD are always right .. if that be the case we shouldn't be whiffing on so many defensive backs in draft ...

We had a ATG GOAT qb who masked their deficiencies . I just feel bill wants to prove a point stating i can win even with cam newton ...

The optimist in me feels like bill is protecting stidham from the carnage and allowing him to play when we have decent weapons. But that's a super optimistic take and not true.. somewhere stidham burned the bridges ...

If Bill wanted to prove something like that then Cam wouldn’t be here and Stidham or Hoyer would have started the season.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Do you really think that charisma and having a positive attitude are unique to him? So you really think they justify the horrific football he is playing?
Tebow had charisma, mark sanchez had charisma.

Of course belichick is making a mistake.

I'm just trying to justify why he's been using him.

I'm comparing him to our other two QBS, not Tebow and Sanchez. I'm just saying, maybe Belichick really does believe he gives us the best chance to win and he can keep the players together. I don't know? Just guessing here.

 

[Ring 6]

Both of them have won in this league and are much better than both our backup QBs.

Hoyer has played better throughout his career than newton plays now.
You are just guessing about Stidham but the bar newton sets is basically if you can’t be better than him you shouldn’t be in the nfl.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm just trying to justify why he's been using him.

I'm comparing him to our other two QBS, not Tebow and Sanchez. I'm just saying, maybe Belichick really does believe he gives us the best chance to win and he can keep the players together. I don't know? Just guessing here.

My bad I took it as you were stating your belief.

 

[sb1]

Hoyer has played better throughout his career than newton plays now.
You are just guessing about Stidham but the bar newton sets is basically if you can’t be better than him you shouldn’t be in the nfl.

Exactly. That’s not exactly a compliment to our backup QBs right now is it.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Laughing

 

[Toofy]

If Bill wanted to prove something like that then Cam wouldn’t be here and Stidham or Hoyer would have started the season.

When cam was signed i get it, he was better and stidham also missed a part of off season with injury and cam was lighting it out. But post covid and having tougher opponents , cam is a shadow of himself. By not allowing stidham to get first team reps how can we state he is not good enough. He looked better than cam yesterday. You can say he also got sacked twice , but that was a terrific collapse of Online and we saw stidham make shorter throws in less than 2 seconds . Those were darts .

And it could also be a cae where the playbook is not entirely opened for stidham. Unless we play him how will we know what we have. As you state , he could be a total stinker, but let's come to consensus after giving him at least couple of games.

If the same yardstick of measuring stidham is applied in newton, then newton should not even be allowed beyond the stadium gates ...

 

[sb1]

When cam was signed i get it, he was better and stidham also missed a part of off season with injury and cam was lighting it out. But post covid and having tougher opponents , cam is a shadow of himself. By not allowing stidham to get first team reps how can we state he is not good enough. He looked better than cam yesterday. You can say he also got sacked twice , but that was a terrific collapse of Online and we saw sridhar make shorter throws in less than 2 seconds . Those were darts .

And it could also be a cae where the playbook is not entirely opened for stidham. Unless we play him how will we know what we have. As you state , he could be a total stinker, but let's come to consensus after giving him at least couple of games.

If the same yardstick of measuring stidham is applied in newton, then newton should not even be allowed beyond the stadium gates ...

No Stidham did not look better than Cam yesterday. 5/7 27 yards 2 sacks is a nothing performance that will be forgotten quickly. Looked every bit like the backup QB that he will ever be. I don’t need to see a QB like that start a game unless my actual starter is injured.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Laughing

Agreed - laughing. I understand that Cam is very likeable, and it is hard to be critical of someone you like, but this is "homerism" at its pinnacle. Neither writer mentions that Cam is seeing 8 in the box and throwing into single man coverage (much easier), and when he does complete the pass it stops the receivers in their tracks, or the receiver has to make an amazing grab, or jump for the ball, etc. Why don't Kyed or Lazar talk about YAC??????