The Biggest Reason We Are Starting A Rebuild

[mgteich]

The #1, #2, #3, #4 and #5 reasons are the same: the lack of a quarterback. Let's be clear. We ended up with plenty of cap room. Belichick could have had Gilmore restructure and open up enough money to sign or trade for a QB.

 

[Jlaff]

This team is good enough to win, if they had a competent QB. The whole thing went to sh#t the day Kraft forced BB to trade Jimmy G. That's the day the whole dynasty died.

I think it was the day Kraft got his early bird special HJ. Kraft was embarrassed and felt forced to drop AB to preserve whatever image the franchise had in the immediate term. That set in motion a series of events that pissed off Brady, hamstrung the team at WR, and likely cost the Pats a decent playoff run with home field advantage (historic defence with an offence that couldn't give them a breather but then likely losing AB to suspension before playoffs).

Imagine a plausible scenario this year with Brady, AB, and Gronk.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Our future draft picks MUST possess CAT like quickness.
Someone please tell Coach Bill

 

[ToonPatriot]

He's accurate, plays fast & makes good decisions. Jimmy G would be a stud, if he were still playing for BB & McDaniels. Newton's not in his zip code.

He's a middle of the pack QB who can't stay healthy with a HC that clearly doesn't trust his arm.

It would be a mistake to trade for Jimmy this off season when we will have our highest draft pick in years with a decent QB group to pick from.

 

[Uptown]

 

[ensoul]

I know the pro-bowl is a bit of a joke but pats have not drafted a pro-bowl player since 2013 which is absurd. BB atrocious drafted over the past 7 years is why this team is where it is.

BB is a great coach but not a great GM when it comes to the drafting players. This team needs TE, a QB WR and some linebackers and I don't think BB is the guy that can fill these needs in the draft.

It is probably time someone takes over the drafting duties.

 

[RIpats88]

He's a middle of the pack QB who can't stay healthy with a HC that clearly doesn't trust his arm.

It would be a mistake to trade for Jimmy this off season when we will have our highest draft pick in years with a decent QB group to pick from.

I dont think you have to trade for Jimmy G. the team may just cut him loose if rumors are true. Bill could draft a QB high and sign a vet like Jimmy G/Cam newton to bridge the development years.

All I know is that Jimmy G knows how to run the patriots system. He might not be the best fit in San Francisco but it doesn't mean he wont with New England.

 

[stephens44]

I think we need to get a QB as a priority, then a pair of legit TE's and a legit #1 receiver. Cut ties with Michel and any high cap guys that are underperforming. The draft is key, but using picks in a trade for a proven player works too (no more Sanu scenarios). There's a lot to do, but its all completely plausible and not a pipe dream, but they can't F up the draft again....

 

[RobertWeathers]

 

[ToonPatriot]

I dont think you have to trade for Jimmy G. the team may just cut him loose if rumors are true. Bill could draft a QB high and sign a vet like Jimmy G/Cam newton to bridge the development years.

All I know is that Jimmy G knows how to run the patriots system. He might not be the best fit in San Francisco but it doesn't mean he wont with New England.

I'd argue this would still be the wrong move, he'd get a decent contract on the open market and I think signing him would mean we definitely wouldn't draft a QB high.

I get the sign a vet and use draft/FA to re-build the team around him argument but if that vet is tried, tested, and ultimately not that good with a bad injury record then it's a backward step.

 

[Kontradiction]

What year did Reese leave ?

Coincidentally, after the 2013 season.

 

[Kontradiction]

Here’s the biggest reason we are starting a rebuild...



...and hopefully it takes place without him. Go ahead and **** off to Houston, Nick.

 

[1960Pats]

I'd like to see what would happen if they were drafting in the middle of the order, with an occasional top ten pick, rather than always at the end.

I enjoy this discussion every year when it comes up.

There's only a one player advantage for the team picking earlier. After that the later team is gaining each round and get's the last one. Let's use the 10th and 20th picks as an example by showing their picks.

10-42-74-106-138-170-202
20-52-84-116-148-180-212

Now take out the 10th pick and this is how it will go;
20-42, 52-74, 84-106, 116-138, 148-170, 180-202, 212

Throw in the fact that it's all a crap shoot anyway and the edge for the earlier team isn't necessarily as great.

 

[203Pat]

People act like a great player has never been drafted late in round 1.

 

[borg]

I enjoy this discussion every year when it comes up.

There's only a one player advantage for the team picking earlier. After that the later team is gaining each round and get's the last one. Let's use the 10th and 20th picks as an example by showing their picks.

10-42-74-106-138-170-202
20-52-84-116-148-180-212

Now take out the 10th pick and this is how it will go;
20-42, 52-74, 84-106, 116-138, 148-170, 180-202, 212

Throw in the fact that it's all a crap shoot anyway and the edge for the earlier team isn't necessarily as great.

Convenient that you consciously chose #20 to represent NE, a pick assigned to a team not in the playoffs (normally) and not #31 or #32 where NE has been slotted in 9 of the last 19 years.

Bizarre that you toss out the #10 pick and think you proved your point.

Your logic is beyond effed up...
"If you take away a stud (#10) every year, then there is a drafting advantage now ".............huh?

 

[1960Pats]

We went to 2 SBs and won 1 after Jimmy left

And the one they lost wasn't because of the QB. It was because of the lack of defense against the RPO.

 

[Kontradiction]

People act like a great player has never been drafted late in round 1.

It’s been too long since the Patriots have done it. They have forgotten.

 

[sb1]

Bring Grier back.

 

[DarrylS]

The biggest reason we are beginning a rebuild is the first picks we drafted from 2014 to now.

2014 - Dominic Easley (1st round): bust
2015 - Malcom Brown (1st round): below average
2016 - Cyrus Jones (2nd round): bust
2017 - Derek Rivers (3rd round): bust
2018 - Isiah Wynn (1st round): average
2019 - N’Keal Harry (1st round): looking like a bust
2020 - Kyle Dugger (2nd round): to be determined

We completely whiffed on 5 of our 7 first picks since 2014. Those are the picks you need to pick studs. Before 2014 Belichick nailed many of those first picks including Seymour, Mankins, McCourty, Jones, Warren, Mayo, Chung, Solder, and Collins.

Perhaps some qualification here might shed some light:

Easly pick #29
Brown pick #32
Jones pick #60
Rivers pick #83
Wynn pick #23
Harry pick #32
Duggar pick #37...

Notice a trend here?? The average pick for the period of time chosen is the average pick number is over 40 ( which is about as idiotic as looking at the individual players) ... but somehow BB got this team to the Super Bowl 5 times in the same period winning 3 of them.. oh the horrors at how bad he is in building a team. How could any quantify BB's success based on his draft picks..

I am the luckiest fan in the world, we have a bad season and continual whyning and finger pointing as to how terrible BB is.. there are about 25 fans of teams out there who would love to be this "bad"...

 

[203Pat]

Perhaps some qualification here might shed some light:

Easly pick #29
Brown pick #32
Jones pick #60
Rivers pick #83
Wynn pick #23
Harry pick #32
Duggar pick #37...

Notice a trend here?? The average pick for the period of time chosen is the average pick number is over 40 ( which is about as idiotic as looking at the individual players) ... but somehow BB got this team to the Super Bowl 5 times in the same period winning 3 of them.. oh the horrors at how bad he is in building a team. How could any quantify BB's success based on his draft picks..

I am the luckiest fan in the world, we have a bad season and continual whyning and finger pointing as to how terrible BB is.. there are about 25 fans of teams out there who would love to be this "bad"...

That’s a bad lot of high picks for any team. If a GM got hired and made those picks he would’ve been fired by now.