The Biggest Reason We Are Starting A Rebuild

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I’d like to see the comparables. Many posters are only focused on this team and the misses. But do the other teams hit on every pick ? There are have - of course - been teams that have hit on several key players in successive years. Are they w/o fail for decades ?

The implication is that BB is horrendous at drafting and he has single handedly doomed NE with his failure. I keep asking for the comparables so that we can peek into a ten or twenty year stretch of drafts.

This! it would be difficult to measure since there's various ways to rate a draft pick (HOF caliber player, Pro Bowl caliber player, Solid starter, Solid backup, total failure), but I'd love to see a comparative study on how the average and best drafting teams do overall. I would guess that if BB isnt on par with the league he's probably among the leaders, and that is drafting at the bottom.

 

[moosekill]

This! it would be difficult to measure since there's various ways to rate a draft pick (HOF caliber player, Pro Bowl caliber player, Solid starter, Solid backup, total failure), but I'd love to see a comparative study on how the average and best drafting teams do overall. I would guess that if BB isnt on par with the league he's probably among the leaders, and that is drafting at the bottom.

And it isn’t just drafting at the bottom. If year in and year out you have one of the 4 best teams in the league it is very difficult for a rookie to make the team. An incoming rookie usually has to beat out an established veteran at that position.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

You also have to count all the 2nd and third rd picks wasted on QBs during Brady’s prime. Kevin oconnell, Mallett, Jimmy et al. The two best QB he drafted were in the 7th rd (Edelman and Cassel). BB got more for Cassel in a trade than he did for Jimmy! He really screwed the whole Brady situation up from letting him get to free agency, to leaving him with nothing. And then after years of drafting QBs, when the time came to replace Brady, he had nothing.

now that you don’t have the greatest QB of all time, it’s no longer funny to waste second rd picks on 5th Rd DBs.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

And it isn’t just drafting at the bottom. If year in and year out you have one of the 4 best teams in the league it is very difficult for a rookie to make the team. An incoming rookie usually has to beat out an established veteran at that position.

This is exactly why BB should have been trading up all that time instead of trading out of the first rd. The two times he did it, he ended up with two great players and not six mediocre ones!

 

[XLIX]

Brady hid all the mistakes including drafting Drew Bledsoe.

Does anyone actually believe that if Bledsoe had been the QB for all of 2001 that the Pats would have won a Super Bowl? Cmon, Man.

Believe it or not, such fools exist.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

There are 2 main reasons we are starting a rebuild:

1) Bill mismanaged the cap mostly because his drafts have been awful for several years
2) Bill totally screwed the QB transition by doing nothing for 3 years after he traded Jimmy.

I still believe it was Kraft who screwed up the franchise by forcing bb to keep brady and move jimmy.

yes, Brady did get us a sixth super bowl, but at the cost of a sustained dynasty run.

as they say in baseball, we have fallen all the cliff in 2020.

the piece that makes no sense is why bb is not tanking for Trevor. Lawrence is an instant fix for us going forward,

 

[JMC00]

Yawn

 

[JMC00]

I recall hearing something like we haven't drafted a pro bowler in five years.

Who cares. They went to the SB 4 times in 5 years. But let's act like guys like Thuney and Mason don't exist.

I understand that you can't hit a jackpot with every pick, but our bust rate is just alarming at this point.

go look at 5 years of drafting from teams that were drafting past #20 every year you'll see similair results

 

[jmt57]

While not a primary reason, the Witch Hunt known as Deflategate should not be ignored in this discussion.

The NFL stole both a 1st and a 4th round draft pick away from the Patriots due to the audacity of footballs adhering to the Ideal Gas Law.


By comparison when the Saints lost two 2nd round picks in the Bountygate fiasco, the result was three consecutive losing seasons for New Orleans.

To make matters worse, the Pats will be without a third round pick next year thanks to Kraft Productions' unfathomable decision to point a camera at the Bengals sideline during a game against the Browns for a documentary (that few would ever watch) about advance scouting.

 

[sb1]

While not a primary reason, the Witch Hunt known as Deflategate should not be ignored in this discussion.

The NFL stole both a 1st and a 4th round draft pick away from the Patriots due to the audacity of footballs adhering to the Ideal Gas Law.


By comparison when the Saints lost two 2nd round picks in the Bountygate fiasco, the result was three consecutive losing seasons for New Orleans.

To make matters worse, the Pats will be without a third round pick next year thanks to Kraft Productions' unfathomable decision to point a camera at the Bengals sideline during a game against the Browns for a documentary (that few would ever watch) about advance scouting.

Still makes me angry. In what world is a Patriots-associated video guy pointing a camera at a team’s sidelines a good idea?

 

[sportnik]

This team is good enough to win, if they had a competent QB. The whole thing went to sh#t the day Kraft forced BB to trade Jimmy G. That's the day the whole dynasty died.

 

[Boomer B]

This team is good enough to win, if they had a competent QB. The whole thing went to sh#t the day Kraft forced BB to trade Jimmy G. That's the day the whole dynasty died.

We went to 2 SBs and won 1 after Jimmy left

 

[jmt57]

I still believe it was Kraft who screwed up the franchise by forcing bb to keep brady and move jimmy.

yes, Brady did get us a sixth super bowl, but at the cost of a sustained dynasty run.

I think most fans would say the roll of the dice paid off, given the results of those last two Lombardi Trophies.

However, that is something worth reminding people (along with the following comments by Woozy from the BB Admits 2020 Is Bridge Year thread) in regards to the 2020 Patriots.

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The dead cap hits are the result of kicking the can down the road for multiple years along with the AB fiasco...​

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I don't think anyone is "at fault" they were trying to keep Tom, Gronk paid and field a competitive team... which they did and we all enjoyed the benefits of.​

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They had to hit the reset button and pay off the debt eventually.​

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Say you take a vacation every year for two decades and you have the cash so it's no problem.​

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Then towards the tail end of those two decades your vacations have gotten more and more lavish and a little debt accumulated each year. The last vacation was the 20th anniversary with your wife, so maybe you blew the doors off that year.​

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The following year you decide instead of going out again to pay off all the debt you built up over the years, maybe you take your vacation pay but work anyway. That's 2020...​

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Next year you'll be debt free and going on vacation again. One year to regroup so you can resume your routine.​

as they say in baseball, we have fallen off the cliff in 2020.

the piece that makes no sense is why bb is not tanking for Trevor. Lawrence is an instant fix for us going forward.

I cannot imagine what this board would be like if the Pats were in an actual full-tank, Suck for Luck type of mode where they were playing worse than the 2020 Jets.

 

[XLIX]

I still believe it was Kraft who screwed up the franchise by forcing bb to keep brady and move jimmy.

yes, Brady did get us a sixth super bowl, but at the cost of a sustained dynasty run.

What is it about Garoppolo that makes you think he is even remotely capable of a sustained dynasty run? The frequent injuries or the way he choked away last year's Super Bowl?

 

[sportnik]

We went to 2 SBs and won 1 after Jimmy left

So what? The would have won in 2018 with Jimmy G. They are in a rebuilt now, specifically because they don't have a QB. They would have one if Jimmy G wasn't traded.

That was Kraft's second biggest mistake, behind kicking Parcells out of town for Bobby Grier...

 

[sportnik]

What is it about Garoppolo that makes you think he is even remotely capable of a sustained dynasty run? The frequent injuries or the way he choked away last year's Super Bowl?

He's accurate, plays fast & makes good decisions. Jimmy G would be a stud, if he were still playing for BB & McDaniels. Newton's not in his zip code.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

So what? The would have won in 2018 with Jimmy G.

Highly doubt it. You did watch the super bowl last year and how he crumbled in the 4th quarter right despite have multiple very makeable throws in key moments. You think he could have beaten the Chiefs in arrowhead like Tom did?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

He's accurate, plays fast & makes good decisions. Jimmy G would be a stud, if he were still playing for BB & McDaniels. Newton's not in his zip code.

amen brother! Reports were that prior to the trade, jimmy was destroying our super bowl defense in practice.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

It's hard to argue the whole Jimmy thing when they went to 3 SBs and won 2 after. I think the main thing is whiffing on Stidham, Michel and Harry picks, and not developing Asiasi / Harris / Meyers earlier.

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[Boomer B]

He's accurate, plays fast & makes good decisions. Jimmy G would be a stud, if he were still playing for BB & McDaniels. Newton's not in his zip code.

Not a hope Jimmy G walks into Arrowhead and beats Mahomes there. Brady was lights out in the 4th qtr and OT.