Projected 2021 Salary Cap Decrease of $30-80 million

[XLIX]

Also if we are doing I told you so, your argument/insultfest was that owners would be happy to absorb the whole covid hit and get it back later while I said no way nfl owners would do that and...
NFL wants to take financial hit from pandemic in 2020-21 - ProFootballTalk

They are doing just what I said they would.

Oh, trust me, we will revisit that point once an actual agreement between Players and Management is made. I said the cap hit would be spread out over a couple years and not hit all at once. It's cute how you are incapable of understanding how negotiations work and think the above article is the final decision.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh, trust me, we will revisit that point once an actual agreement between Players and Management is made. I said the cap hit would be spread out over a couple years and not hit all at once. It's cute how you are incapable of understanding how negotiations work and think the above article is the final decision.

The above article reflects the feelings of the owners about spreading the hit, which you said they would happily do and I said they would be averse to.

 

[XLIX]

The above article reflects the feelings of the owners about spreading the hit, which you said they would happily do and I said they would be averse to.

heh heh... that's cute how you don't have the first clue how negotiations work... don't ever grow up, little boy!! We needs your delightfully naive world view in these troubling times!

We will revisit this topic again when it is resolved.

 

[luuked]

It makes sense, though, given the 3-year cash spending window (2021/2022/2023).

It seems like a low hanging fruit as a compromise to potentially merge two successive windows and then spread the estimated loss over 6 instead of 3 years. Seems like a win-win to me ?

Or why would the owners want to just get it over with as quick as possible ?

 

[Ring 6]

heh heh... that's cute how you don't have the first clue how negotiations work... don't ever grow up, little boy!! We needs your delightfully naive world view in these troubling times!

We will revisit this topic again when it is resolved.

Why do you insist on attacking and insulting everyone you disagree with. It’s childish and only shows you don’t really believe your own argument.

If you want to have a respectful, grown up conversation, that’s fine but if you have to be an ass, find someone else to talk to.

 

[XLIX]

Why do you insist on attacking and insulting everyone you disagree with. It’s childish and only shows you don’t really believe your own argument.

If you want to have a respectful, grown up conversation, that’s fine but if you have to be an ass, find someone else to talk to.

LOL!!

Sometimes I wish you were smart enough to see the irony in your own statements....

 

[Ring 6]

LOL!!

Sometimes I wish you were smart enough to see the irony in your own statements....

Ok so you just aren’t capable of having, or just don’t want to have a respectful grown up discussion without insulting anyone who disagrees with you. It’s far from a me problem I see this no matter who you are disagreeing with. I have no interest in playing those games do I will devalue your opinions as ones you believe so little in that you must resort to insults, and act accordingly. You should find someone else to talk to, I’m sure you can find plenty of posters who will resort to your little battle of childish insults along with you. Have a ball.

 

[XLIX]

Ok so you just aren’t capable of having, or just don’t want to have a respectful grown up discussion without insulting anyone who disagrees with you. It’s far from a me problem I see this no matter who you are disagreeing with. I have no interest in playing those games do I will devalue your opinions as ones you believe so little in that you must resort to insults, and act accordingly. You should find someone else to talk to, I’m sure you can find plenty of posters who will resort to your little battle of childish insults along with you. Have a ball.

"We have reached the point where a reasonable discussion clearly can’t happen so I will move on." - Ring6, 20+ posts ago
'"Let me put this one more way. Then I’m done because it’s pointless to keep explaining reality in different ways." - Ring6, 20+ posts ago
"I have no interest in playing those games" - Ring6, 1 post ago

Andy, we both know you just can't help yourself. You have to have the last word, either here or in hate filled PMs. So let me show you how it is done: This will be my last post in this thread responding to you until the Union and Owners come to an agreement on the salary cap and I get to rub your face in it.

 

[Ring 6]

"We have reached the point where a reasonable discussion clearly can’t happen so I will move on." - Ring6, 20+ posts ago
'"Let me put this one more way. Then I’m done because it’s pointless to keep explaining reality in different ways." - Ring6, 20+ posts ago
"I have no interest in playing those games" - Ring6, 1 post ago

Andy, we both know you just can't help yourself. You have to have the last word, either here or in hate filled PMs. So let me show you how it is done: This will be my last post in this thread responding to you until the Union and Owners come to an agreement on the salary cap and I get to rub your face in it.

It’s all in the thread, so anyone can read it and see for themselves.
Can we be done now, and you can go direct your anger, insults and childish behavior toward someone else? I’d like to go back to discussing football with adults.

 

[patman52]

I think the above is an excellent idea. It’s win-win for both the players and the owners.

How is it a win for the owners, they are lending players cap money at no charge. If they loan billions in cap money I would want billions plus back back if it is spread over 4 years. Planned spending say was 200 mill, now due to covid player share is 150 mill. I would want 10% interest on the money that I am loaning the players. Then I would call it a win all around, I would not give them anything, more cuts will result and salaries will depress as players flood the market with less money going around.

 

[BTTA]

Not factored into this is the rate at which we will have pandemics, going forward. People look back and think, "well, 1918, and now this, so we should be good for 100 years." Unfortunately, our incursions into nature will be most likely cause pandemics to be a much more common experience.

The big question is, of course, what have we learned from this that will allow us to do it better next time? If we can improve the response, and continue to get lucky with viruses that are relatively low lethality, the NFL might be able to spread this business interruption out over 6 years before having to do it again.

But I'm not optimistic about either our collective capacity and commitment to learning and adapting, nor to the next virus being relatively low impact like this one. That's in part due to the unusual and novel characteristics of this virus with regards to how it interacts with its hosts.

 

[BTTA]

How is it a win for the owners, they are lending players cap money at no charge. If they loan billions in cap money I would want billions plus back back if it is spread over 4 years. Planned spending say was 200 mill, now due to covid player share is 150 mill. I would want 10% interest on the money that I am loaning the players. Then I would call it a win all around, I would not give them anything, more cuts will result and salaries will depress as players flood the market with less money going around.

If they can recoup 10% interest from the players, can I get in on that action? Maybe someone could set up a money market fund with the owners where fans can invest? It could be called the "We can't believe we are actually making money on the pandemic NFL owners fund" or the "the NFL players union still hasn't hired anyone who can crunch numbers" fund.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Not factored into this is the rate at which we will have pandemics, going forward. People look back and think, "well, 1918, and now this, so we should be good for 100 years." Unfortunately, our incursions into nature will be most likely cause pandemics to be a much more common experience.

The big question is, of course, what have we learned from this that will allow us to do it better next time? If we can improve the response, and continue to get lucky with viruses that are relatively low lethality, the NFL might be able to spread this business interruption out over 6 years before having to do it again.

But I'm not optimistic about either our collective capacity and commitment to learning and adapting, nor to the next virus being relatively low impact like this one. That's in part due to the unusual and novel characteristics of this virus with regards to how it interacts with its hosts.

climate change could hit us with some ancient virus at some point.. they have already found evidence of ancient viruses, etc in the permafrost of Siberia and the Arctic/Antarctic

If enough of the ice caps melt, who knows, some super virus could be released that our bodies have no natural defenses to

 

[patman52]

If they can recoup 10% interest from the players, can I get in on that action? Maybe someone could set up a money market fund with the owners where fans can invest? It could be called the "We can't believe we are actually making money on the pandemic NFL owners fund" or the "the NFL players union still hasn't hired anyone who can crunch numbers" fund.

Why the hell not, as I pointed out it is in their business interest to flood the market with FA in a year with a 25% reduction in the salary cap. It is not like the union can post collateral. What if the epidemic stays the same next year, are the owners again supposed to float the Union more money? I was a union member for 15 years, I support unions and would never cross a picket line and have taken part in boycotts of companies on strike. But I never would expect a interest free loan from my employer during times when he is exp a shortfall, I would expect them to offer a cut in pay.

 

[luuked]

Seems like camps are a go.



With the financials being handled as expected:





Salaries and incentives are prorated if games are cancelled. Curious what's up with signing bonuses as they were essentially due when signing the contract.

The 16 man PS almost certainly means we will carry at least 3 QBs. A max of 14 padded practices is most probably reasonable to manage risk but will lead to some ugly football.

 

[XLIX]

It’s all in the thread, so anyone can read it and see for themselves.
Can we be done now, and you can go direct your anger, insults and childish behavior toward someone else? I’d like to go back to discussing football with adults.

oh my.... oh my.... looks like it is time for someone to eat some serious crow.... Andy, this could possibly be the most epic "I told you so" in forum history.... They are doing exactly what I (and a few others in here) said they would do.

"It makes a lot of sense to “borrow” against future cap numbers to avoid a nightmare situation." - Me

"There is no possible way owners would fall for that." - R6
"There is no way in earth any owner would go for this." - R6
"if you believe that owners who lose 2.5 billion in revenue will happily pay players 1.3 billion more than they collectively bargained for TODAY in order to get 1.44 billion in reductions over 5 years you literally have no concept of finance." - R6
"Now I am starting to see where you lack knowledge ... I’ve tried to explain this to you. I just think you don’t understand the concept." R6
" ... you keep raising the bar of stupidity so I’m just compelled to continue." - R6
"I fully know what you are proposing but I also know there is no chance ever that owners would agree to it." - R6
"Are you that dense?" - R6
"This isn’t even debatable. Anyone who ever worked in any type of financial setting or did well in high school economics would be rolling in the floor laughing at you saying that’s the best move for the owners." - R6
"They will not accept that. No way. No how." - R6

 

[Patsgofor4]

Max of 14 padded practices, with no minicamp, no OTAs, no preseason games and no practices vs. other teams, is a joke. I'm certain that the coaches are not on board with that. How the hell do you prepare a teams under for a season under those conditions? If 5-10 more padded practices would put players in harms way then there is no hope for the season.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

oh my.... oh my.... looks like it is time for someone to eat some serious crow.... Andy, this could possibly be the most epic "I told you so" in forum history.... They are doing exactly what I (and a few others in here) said they would do.

"It makes a lot of sense to “borrow” against future cap numbers to avoid a nightmare situation." - Me

"There is no possible way owners would fall for that." - R6
"There is no way in earth any owner would go for this." - R6
"if you believe that owners who lose 2.5 billion in revenue will happily pay players 1.3 billion more than they collectively bargained for TODAY in order to get 1.44 billion in reductions over 5 years you literally have no concept of finance." - R6
"Now I am starting to see where you lack knowledge ... I’ve tried to explain this to you. I just think you don’t understand the concept." R6
" ... you keep raising the bar of stupidity so I’m just compelled to continue." - R6
"I fully know what you are proposing but I also know there is no chance ever that owners would agree to it." - R6
"Are you that dense?" - R6
"This isn’t even debatable. Anyone who ever worked in any type of financial setting or did well in high school economics would be rolling in the floor laughing at you saying that’s the best move for the owners." - R6
"They will not accept that. No way. No how." - R6

Your "I told you so" is celebrated by the PatsFans community, but I suspect a certain individual is already doing intense gymnastics in his mind while trying to create a pitiful rebuttal.

 

[Ring 6]

oh my.... oh my.... looks like it is time for someone to eat some serious crow.... Andy, this could possibly be the most epic "I told you so" in forum history.... They are doing exactly what I (and a few others in here) said they would do.

"It makes a lot of sense to “borrow” against future cap numbers to avoid a nightmare situation." - Me

"There is no possible way owners would fall for that." - R6
"There is no way in earth any owner would go for this." - R6
"if you believe that owners who lose 2.5 billion in revenue will happily pay players 1.3 billion more than they collectively bargained for TODAY in order to get 1.44 billion in reductions over 5 years you literally have no concept of finance." - R6
"Now I am starting to see where you lack knowledge ... I’ve tried to explain this to you. I just think you don’t understand the concept." R6
" ... you keep raising the bar of stupidity so I’m just compelled to continue." - R6
"I fully know what you are proposing but I also know there is no chance ever that owners would agree to it." - R6
"Are you that dense?" - R6
"This isn’t even debatable. Anyone who ever worked in any type of financial setting or did well in high school economics would be rolling in the floor laughing at you saying that’s the best move for the owners." - R6
"They will not accept that. No way. No how." - R6

What in the world are you talking about. There is no agreement supporting what you says would happen.

 

[Patsgofor4]

NFL Asks for $175M 2021 Salary Cap | Over the Cap

Looks like the cap drop in 2021 will be at most $23 million. Even at that number, some teams will be in a world of hurt.