Brady’s contract with Tampa Bay - $25m/yr for 2 years?!

[Brewskies]

Wow. You’re right. We’d have won 9 SBs if we had a better QB than Brady. Because of his weak ass play we only won 6 and some of those were close calls, like that Atlanta game. You’re absolutely right.



Do you think you have made your point?

You’re about to get a wake-up call as you’re so spoilt watching Brady that you are implying QB could have been improved all these years. Time to face reality.

 

[Biffins]

How do you know the Pats pushed him out? What inside track do you have? Proof please.

It’s self evident given Brady signed a reasonable (not even top 10 qb money) contract we could afford. He didn’t leave for money. Hence we pushed him out by not offering anything reasonable and frankly not even talking to him. All those insider reports we were dismissing of growing dissatisfaction in Brady’s camp...... well apparently you can’t dismiss them anymore as they were all true.

 

[Brewskies]

We never get to that SB without Brady, especially that AFCCG in Arrowhead. You know, the 37-31 win. With 4 lead changes in 4th Q. And Brady converting three different 3rd and 10 in the OT drive to secure the win. Yeah, that wasn’t the defense and no other QB does that. We’re all just spoilt.

An entire page of this thread for yourself.

Time to take your temperature, blow your nose, and get in line for a test.

 

[Biffins]

An entire page of this thread for yourself.

Time to take your temperature, blow your nose, and get in line for a test.

Just reading through and replying to others. Common curtesy.

 

[Brewskies]

It’s self evident given Brady signed a reasonable (not even top 10 qb money) contract we could afford. He didn’t leave for money. Hence we pushed him out by not offering anything reasonable and frankly not even talking to him. All those insider reports we were dismissing of growing dissatisfaction in Brady’s camp...... well apparently you can’t dismiss them anymore as they were all true.

That's your proof?

 

[Brewskies]

Just reading through and replying to others. Common curtesy.

Take a breath, we got your unproven point, "you like Brady."

 

[Biffins]

Take a breath, we got your unproven point, "you like Brady."

And massively dislike this stupidity by BB and Kraft.

 

[Brewskies]

And massively dislike this stupidity by BB and Kraft.

Maybe it is time to join Brady with TB as fan? You have proven you dislike BB & Kraft. You have made this point clear over and over again.

 

[festy1986]

I was unaware there was this many brady haters. That it was all bill and brady was just here for the ride.

No wonder he left.

 

[DarrylS]

This is one of those issues we may never know the full story, meanwhile a great opportunity to bash Mr. Kraft. To say he is not a good owner, many have never met Victor Kiam..

Throughout his career #12 was alleged to be a "system QB" and now he has the opportunity to prove otherwise.. last year Tampa Bay allowed 459 points to be scored against them while the Pats allowed 225.. so he may lead a highly touted O, but may have to often play catch up.

There is an often heard adage that we have learned from the Pats, "It is better to let go of a player a year early, rather than a year late".. from my big comfy couch thought he had fallen off significantly last year. Elbow issues were reported.. stay tuned folks, will prove interesting.

 

[primetime]

Yes I realize but that cap charge could have been moved to outer years. Frankly even more if we wanted. We could have rolled 18m to 2022 and 2023. Or 23m for that matter. All with void years. Or we just roll the same 13m cap charge out and not resign Thuney or DMac. Don’t tell me DMac at age 33 at 12m per year is a better deal than Tom frivkjn Brady at 25m per year.

We had lots of options. BB decided to show the world he can win without Brady. That’s it. Brady was not expensive and he’s tremendous value at 25m. And we don’t have Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers waiting in the bench. This was utter frickin stupidity.

You keep saying $25m but it's $29.5m when incentives are taken into account. Plus the dead cap hit from the previous contract if the Patriots signed him. For an aging quarterback whose best days are behind him and who looked, at times, like he was falling off last season.

You can only use void years to shift bonuses, so it's hard to see how they could have pushed $18m to 2022, as you claim. Note that the Bucs structured the contract such that there's no signing bonus, so it's all (guaranteed) salary and roster bonuses. The $59m they're giving him is real money, none of it is salary in fake years at the end of the contract to inflate the paper value.

To equal what he's getting from the Bucs, the Patriots would have had to essentially pay Brady $30m guaranteed in 2020 and 2021. If half of what they gave him ($30m) was a signing bonus, we could have decreased the cap hit in 2020 by $5m if they used one void year (since the $30m bonus would be spread across 3 years rather than 2). So it would have been... $25m, plus his dad cap hit. Which is more than they could afford if they wanted to have any semblance of a football team.

The problem is you have zero idea how the salary cap charge is calculated under the CBA and you think void years are some magical cheat code.

 

[Betterthanmost]

This is one of those issues we may never know the full story, meanwhile a great opportunity to bash Mr. Kraft. To say he is not a good owner, many have never met Victor Kiam..

Throughout his career #12 was alleged to be a "system QB" and now he has the opportunity to prove otherwise.. last year Tampa Bay allowed 459 points to be scored against them while the Pats allowed 225.. so he may lead a highly touted O, but may have to often play catch up.

There is an often heard adage that we have learned from the Pats, "It is better to let go of a player a year early, rather than a year late".. from my big comfy couch thought he had fallen off significantly last year. Elbow issues were reported.. stay tuned folks, will prove interesting.

30 ints and Mr. Crab thief threw 7 pick 6. Seven! Seven. Threw 24 ints in own 0-50yds.
Hell, that was a tough ask of the defense. Brady will be fine, only thing fighting against him is time.

 

[NEPats1]

Bill Belichick set to lead a reboot, not a rebuild, with Patriots

2. Thoughts on Brady's departure: What are the primary factors that led Brady to this outcome? My thoughts:

One of the things Brady relayed to some close to him was that he felt he had squeezed everything out of his partnership with Belichick after 20 years. So from his standpoint, it was time, unless there was a fundamental shift after two challenging contract negotiations in 2018 and 2019.

That shift never came. Had Belichick decisively approached Brady with the clear-cut thought of, "I'd like to make this work so you can finish your career here; let's try to hammer this out," I believe there was a chance it could have continued. But I don't think Brady expected that was ever going to happen -- that's not Belichick's way -- which is why Brady had mentally prepared himself to play elsewhere in 2020.

Why wouldn't Belichick do that? Only he has the answer, which is the way many things are with his close-to-the-vest management approach. Perhaps he ultimately thought that he, too, had squeezed everything possible out of his partnership with Brady. Or maybe he thought Brady would never leave, or at the least give the Patriots a chance to "compete" with what teams were offering him on the market.

Part of it is the strategy with which the Patriots generally negotiate in which they withhold any offers as players are allowed to test the market while still keeping an open dialogue with them. That is one way the Patriots avoid insulting a player with a contract offer. It also protects them from the player taking an offer to another team as a leverage play. So, my understanding is that Belichick and Brady never had meaningful contracts talks since last August; instead it was like a dance to see who would make the first move.

That highlights the overall dynamic of the situation to me, ever since the Patriots agreed not to place the franchise tag on Brady last August: For this to work for a 21st season, Brady and Belichick had to want each other, and owner Robert Kraft wasn't going to force the marriage. I thought Brady and Belichick would eventually get to that point, ultimately coming to the realization that being together was best for both of them. But, it never unfolded that way.

 

[blackglass3]

Wickersham put up a new article. He's been getting his info from Brady, who hasn't been happy here for the last few years apparently.

It's over. Nothing to do but move on and hope Belichick was right, and Kraft was right to not step in. It sucks that it ended like this, but the constant TB12 fans vs Patriots fans is getting old in every single thread.

 

[signbabybrady]

Wickersham put up a new article. He's been getting his info from Brady, who hasn't been happy here for the last few years apparently.

It's over. Nothing to do but move on and hope Belichick was right, and Kraft was right to not step in. It sucks that it ended like this, but the constant TB12 fans vs Patriots fans is getting old in every single thread.

I know I can be both but The constant TB12 fan vs Patriots fan in my own head is enough to drive one mad.

 

[NEPats1]

With Tom Brady officially on board, Bucs throw dirt on tampering trail - ProFootballTalk

 

[iapatsfan]

It’s self evident given Brady signed a reasonable (not even top 10 qb money) contract we could afford. He didn’t leave for money. Hence we pushed him out by not offering anything reasonable and frankly not even talking to him. All those insider reports we were dismissing of growing dissatisfaction in Brady’s camp...... well apparently you can’t dismiss them anymore as they were all true.

He left because he wasn't going to spend his last two years surrounded by this garbage personnel. Swap Tampa Bay's wr, te and rb group with ours, and he's still a Patriot.

 

[blackglass3]

Wickersham put up a new article. He's been getting his info from Brady, who hasn't been happy here for the last few years apparently.

It's over. Nothing to do but move on and hope Belichick was right, and Kraft was right to not step in. It sucks that it ended like this, but the constant TB12 fans vs Patriots fans is getting old in every single thread.

HOWEVER, I will say: We keep seeing all of this Brady Was Unhappy talk. Did Brady ever talk to BB about it? Did they ever clear the air, like what was reported early in 2018? We see lots of passive-aggressive things done by Brady but did he ever approach Bill directly and say "Hey, I don't feel like X, Y, and Z are working for me. It's been a long time we're together, I would like some of these things".

Also, we never heard once of dissatisfaction from Belichick's side. He never leaked anything to the media, never had one iota of expressing "Brady has gotten more about himself and less about the team".

While a lot of us are jumping to Brady's side, I am just trying to see the other side of it for a few minutes.

 

[sb1]

Wickersham article:

How Brady became a Buc, and all the signs we missed along the way

 

[sb1]

We never get to that SB without Brady, especially that AFCCG in Arrowhead. You know, the 37-31 win. With 4 lead changes in 4th Q. And Brady converting three different 3rd and 10 in the OT drive to secure the win. Yeah, that wasn’t the defense and no other QB does that. We’re all just spoilt.

Wins are a team stat not a QB stat. Always were and always will be.