La Canfora: Brady unlikely to sign extension, will test free agency

[SHOWTIME15]

Can't let Sanu or Harry be the #1 dude

Maybe they can get a younger number 1 WR via trade...if Brady goes and we can't get a star QB to replace him (like a Cam Newton), it would give Bill the opportunity to clean house and start over.

 

[Deus Irae]

Maybe they can get a younger number 1 WR via trade...if Brady goes and we can't get a star QB to replace him (like a Cam Newton), it would give Bill the opportunity to clean house and start over.

When, since 2001, has BB ever given any indication of wanting to take such an approach?

 

[Zuma]

I also don't think it's a stretch to think that the rookies were playing on eggshells, given Brady's public statements and on-field antics, and given that, that they might welcome a chance at actually having balls thrown their way.

I’m totally onboard with that...been feeling that way for a while this past season. The greatest QB of all time tears you (a rookie) a new one...in front of millions of viewers...and that doesn’t mess with your head? Throw in a lack of chemistry largely because of missed OTA’s and this is the result. And are those OTA’s gong to happen in 2020 with tennis elbow? And if they do how will that elbow feel once the season starts? I don’t think their will ever be new chemistry going forward...with any new WR’s.

 

[Deus Irae]

I’m totally onboard with that...been feeling that way for a while this past season. The greatest QB of all time tears you (a rookie) a new one...in front of millions of viewers...and that doesn’t mess with your head? Throw in a lack of chemistry largely because of missed OTA’s and this is the result. And are those OTA’s gong to happen in 2020 with tennis elbow? And if they do how will that elbow feel once the season starts? I don’t think their will ever be new chemistry going forward...with any new WR’s.

1. QBs rip into receivers all the time.
2. OTAs are a matter of about 8 hours time, in the May/June window. They have nothing to do with chemistry in December and January

If these players are so mentally soft that they can't handle a QB yelling at them when they clearly blow routes and the like, they have no business playing in the NFL.

 

[Zuma]

1. QBs rip into receivers all the time.
2. OTAs are a matter of about 8 hours time, in the May/June window. They have nothing to do with chemistry in December and January

If these players are so mentally soft that they can't handle a QB yelling at them when they clearly blow routes and the like, they have no business playing in the NFL.

1. Yes they rip into them all the time...but I think it's different when Tom Brady does it...on national television.
2. I believe chemistry is chemistry...regardless when it happens.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Edelman still is under contract. Gronk is beyond done.

And even if Gronk came back, he’d be under contract to NE.

 

[mgteich]

Why do you consider that a long shot? Which player(s) lead(s) you to that position? Andrews is confident that he'll be back, for example.
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Who should we count on coming back and being solid contributers?

I think Cannon is about 40%, Andrews is about 80% and Cajuste is about 70%. That makes all three coming backing about 22%, perhaps not really a long shot to you.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Disagree all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that if a player is under contract when he retires, that team continues to hold the player’s rights should they unretire. Specifically, the contract is tolled and if the player unretires the contract picks up again with however much time was left on the contract when the player retired.

tl;dr: when a player retires you push pause on the contract and if they unretire you push play.

And really, it couldn’t work any other way or else players could make themselves free agents by retiring and unretiring a little while later.

 

[Deus Irae]

1. Yes they rip into them all the time...but I think it's different when Tom Brady does it...on national television.

No you don't. You're not that silly.

2. I believe chemistry is chemistry...regardless when it happens.

Chemistry from 6 months prior has literally nothing to do with whether Jakobi Meyers is unable to run the right routes in December. If you were talking about an impact upon some struggles at the start of training camp, or during exhibition games, it might have some sliver of validity. But we're talking about 6 months later, and some 15+ games when you count the exhibitions.

 

[Deus Irae]

Who should we count on coming back and being solid contributers?

I think Cannon is about 40%, Andrews is about 80% and Cajuste is about 70%. That makes all three coming backing about 22%, perhaps not really a long shot to you.

Your post was the following

I believe that the OL "addition" will be Karras.

I certainly hope that Andrews, Cannon and Cajuste are back healthy. I would consider that to be a longshot.

You're now talking about solid contributors, which is not what you originally posted. On that front, I have no idea what the hell Cajuste can do at the NFL level, and neither do you. You're also tossing out percentages which have literally nothing behind them. So the notion that there's just a 22% chance of them all coming back is just something you invented, and you don't really having any idea about whether or not their returns should be considered a long shot. That's fine for your opinion, but I was looking for something factual and real, which is why I asked you about it. So, yes, I would agree that I wouldn't consider fabricated percentages based upon nothingness to be a long shot (I wouldn't consider them a sure thing, either).

 

[Vindicate]

I worry about the defensive free agents
Shelton
Van Noy
Collins
McCourty
Butler (RFA)
Roberts

How much of the available cap money will be needed for the defense? I suppose that we cut McCourty (and hope his brother stays) and we could extend Hightower. That's a start.

The question here is - does investing that cap space in keeping a great defensive unit position us to have a better chance of going the distance while rebuilding the offense? Or does Brady with a serviceable cast offer us the best chances?

 

[mgteich]

We know nothing about the health of any player.
We know very little about anything.

If you need facts, then you're in the wrong place. This is a place for speculation, not facts.

OK, I'll stop responding to your posts. You want arguments, with facts, to prove that things will happen or not. For me, that is no what we are here for.

I don't have facts; no one does.

Your post was the following



You're now talking about solid contributors, which is not what you originally posted. On that front, I have no idea what the hell Cajuste can do at the NFL level, and neither do you. You're also tossing out percentages which have literally nothing behind them. So the notion that there's just a 22% chance of them all coming back is just something you invented, and you don't really having any idea about whether or not their returns should be considered a long shot. That's fine for your opinion, but I was looking for something factual and real, which is why I asked you about it. So, yes, I would agree that I wouldn't consider fabricated percentages based upon nothingness to be a long shot (I wouldn't consider them a sure thing, either).

 

[mgteich]

My answer is that using cap money for low level extensions like these give us the best chance to be continue to be competitive. IMO, this strategy has worked for belichick for 20 years.

The question here is - does investing that cap space in keeping a great defensive unit position us to have a better chance of going the distance while rebuilding the offense? Or does Brady with a serviceable cast offer us the best chances?

 

[Deus Irae]

We know nothing about the health of any player.
We know very little about anything.

If you need facts, then you're in the wrong place. This is a place for speculation, not facts.

OK, I'll stop responding to your posts. You want arguments, with facts, to prove that things will happen or not. For me, that is no what we are here for.

I don't have facts; no one does.

You made the comment

I think Cannon is about 40%, Andrews is about 80% and Cajuste is about 70%. That makes all three coming backing about 22%, perhaps not really a long shot to you.

when I had asked you a simple and honest question, in a situation where you might possibly have had some information to justify an otherwise unsupported claim. Instead of really answering that question, you went off into fantasy land, then took a shot at me for daring to question your unsupported assertion about something being a long shot. Where you are just making **** up, and then using your passive-aggressive mode to deride my responses, you're going to get slapped down for it. It has always been thus. So, sure, you can stop responding to me, if that's what you wish. Or you can actually answer the question asked, either without the fantasy elements and avoidance, or with an admission that it's pure speculation without any evidence behind it.

Either one works.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Disagree all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that if a player is under contract when he retires, that team continues to hold the player’s rights should they unretire. Specifically, the contract is tolled and if the player unretires the contract picks up again with however much time was left on the contract when the player retired.

tl;dr: when a player retires you push pause on the contract and if they unretire you push play.

And really, it couldn’t work any other way or else players could make themselves free agents by retiring and unretiring a little while later.

If Gronkowski were to un-retire, I can’t imagine him coming back to New England. It’s clear from his comments that he was burnt out from the grind. I bet he’d want to go somewhere where it’s a lot more laid back. What would his trade value be if he un-retired? I believe he’s on a one-year, $9M deal. Would anyone give up much draft capital considering his injury history?

 

[supafly]

This article just came out about 15 mins ago.

Robert Kraft Gives Hope To Patriots Nation, 'We Plan To' Bring Back Tom! — TMZ

 

[Biffins]

This article just came out about 15 mins ago.

Robert Kraft Gives Hope To Patriots Nation, 'We Plan To' Bring Back Tom! — TMZ

Nothing new here. They plan to......... unless they can't. In which case they move on. I think that's status quo at the moment till we get something definitive.

They already messed up Tom's contract negotiation last year (something I have written much about already) and while everyone then was convinced there was no way Tom would ever leave the Patriots, clearly the noise from Brady's camp is less reassuring. Hopefully it's just negotiating tactics but I still blame the Pats for not locking up Tom for atleast 2 years and hence avoiding this drama and nonsense.

 

[supafly]

Nothing new here. They plan to......... unless they can't. In which case they move on. I think that's status quo at the moment till we get something definitive.

They already messed up Tom's contract negotiation last year (something I have written much about already) and while everyone then was convinced there was no way Tom would ever leave the Patriots, clearly the noise from Brady's camp is less reassuring. Hopefully it's just negotiating tactics but I still blame the Pats for not locking up Tom for atleast 2 years and hence avoiding this drama and nonsense.

While trapped in the offseason cycle of negative stories on the daily, I figured that I would post something that sounds even mildly encouraging.

 

[Vindicate]

Can Kraft just pay some players behind the scenes by funneling **** through seemingly legit channels? Let's just basically give a couple of badass weapons some vet minimum contracts and then just"suddenly" start up very profitable lines of athletic gear.

Speaking of which, has this ever happened before? Circumventing the cap via other methods of payment? I guess was the NCAA's method, but under different circumstances. But does it happen at a professional level?

 

[Vindicate]

My answer is that using cap money for low level extensions like these give us the best chance to be continue to be competitive. IMO, this strategy has worked for belichick for 20 years.

So basically taking Brady on is not the best idea, given that to give him what he wants means to allocate a bulk of the space to offense?