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I would love to see a RB crew that all were above average receivers.I am moving Burkhead to more WR snaps
Run some old school 3 RB sets with 2 tall outside WR's.
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I would love to see a RB crew that all were above average receivers.I am moving Burkhead to more WR snaps
Not well.. if you don't like the best 20 year run in sports history.How has that worked out lately?
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Regardless of the Brady resolution, I think the key to this offseason is rebuilding both lines, which includes the TE position.
- allows you to use Michel who has proven capable enough when given holes, which can help our offense look like the 2018 playoff offense again. And of course it would limit the chances of Brady/other QB getting destroyed out there when passing like Brady was this year .
- allows the team to stop the run better creating more 2nd and 3rd and longs. BB usually tries to be ahead of the curve but this year he was behind the curve - he finally built a defense that could stop/slow down the passing games of 2018 KC and 2017 Philly, but missed the total recommitment to the run and/or QB option that Baltimore and, to a lesser extent, Houston and Tennessee implemented. They lost to all 3. That’s got to eat at BB whose bread and butter for years was stopping the run above all else.
To that end, they need to know if Andrews is capable of coming back and how effective he will be. Same with Develin. If not, they need stud replacements ASAP; Karras and Roberts did admirable jobs but should not be long term solutions. If Thuney goes, they absolutely need a mauler to replace him. They cannot go into the season with that crap at 3rd tackle again this year, knowing Wynn’s and Cannon’s injury histories and that Cannon is closer to the end than otherwise.
Obviously there’s only one Gronk. But they lost Allen too last year, and the two of them were the best TE blocking duo in the NFL in 2018. Not only were our 2019 TEs terrible in the passing game, but they couldn’t block for squat. Recommit to reloading the TE position with at least capable blockers if they can’t find a decent all around option.
They need upgrades at WR too, but given the huge cap hit with acquiring a veteran and the issues the team has had drafting/integrating young ones, I feel like they’re more likely to succeed in getting players that will succeed here by prioritizing the lines and TE, where they have proven success in drafting/integrating those players over the years.
I don’t disagree and am not suggesting no attempts at upgrades. But given past history here and the salary needs of a real stud WR, unless somehow another Randy Moss becomes available (no comment, don’t want to derail into another AB thread....), I’d rather see them attempt this with mid-lower level free agents (like LaFell and Hogan) and hope for that outcome, rather than spending big bucks or a day 1/2 draft pick. But that’s my opinion; prioritizing cap and picks on WR is certainly a valid approach but in my opinion likely has a smaller chance of improving the overall offense. I certainly agree that we don’t want them walking into 2020 training camp with the same group of guys (plus udfa’s and injury flyers).If they move on from brady and being back the same crap at wr i am gonna feel bad for stidham. That can stunt a growth for a young QB.
So much of next year I feel like depends on Andrews and Develin coming back, if they can come back.
Put all your chips in. Draft will not help Brady situation. He won't throw to rookies so let's stop the Draft non-sense. Please don't think even if we Draft a guy, TB will throw to him. The last rookie WR Brady threw to Mitchell was in tears trying to get on the same page as TB. He ignored an open Harry a couple plays the last two games. Meyers? Tom just stopped throwing to him. Edelman led the league in dropped passes. Throwing to the rookies, what's the worse that can happen?
I am moving Burkhead to more WR snaps
Sign both Hooper and Henry as dual TE no matter what. Look at the Ravens. Yes Jackson is slippery, but their two TE (actually three) of Andrews, Hurst and Boyle have 125 catches and 14 TDs in combination. Without them, the Ravens WR core is as mediocre as the Pats.
Next on the agenda is Rishard Higgins who is buried in Cleveland by Jarvis and OBJ. He went from 39 catches and 4 TDs in 2018 almost 15 yards per catch, and through injury 6 games, and OBJ to 4 catches. Cheap to offset two TE big dollar signings.
Alternative? Robby Anderson has killed us. That skinny little dude gets open. 15 yards per catch and averages over 50 receptions a year with the NYJ.
On Defense? Resign Collins, Butler and Shelton. Get a Safety who can cover like Justin Simmons with 93 Tackles and 4 INTs this year. Chung and DMac are long in the tooth. Could a stout DE not named Hightower, like a young Leonard Williams fit?
OL? Please move on from Cannon. Resign Thunney and Karras. How about Bulaga to take Cannon's place? Can Karras play RT?
Trade chips? Hightower, Harmon perhaps Cannon and finally...............trade Sony Michel. Shocking? No. He fades some games. He is not a bell cow as thought. You might get a high third for him. His knees are still an issue. You drafted Harris for a reason. He was a stud at Alabama.
So Rebuild:
Hooper TE
Henry TE
Higgins WR (CHEAP)
Simmons S
Bulaga RT (MAYBE CHEAP)
Williams DE
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His dead money hit is $13.5mil in 2020 only if his contract is allowed to void in March (it stays $13.5mil even if he's re-signed, if he's resigned after the contract voids). If he is extended before the contract voids his dead money hit is $6.75mil in 2020 and $6.75mil in 2021. And obviously any cap hit from the new or extended contract is on top of those dead money cap hits.All in all I think most of what we do in the offseason hinges on Brady. He is already going to count $13.5 million against the cap which severely limits what we do anywhere else if we don't have a QB on a rookie contract as our starter. We need to really nail this draft class and find some 2nd or 3rd tier free agents that perform well as this roster desperately needs a youth infusion.
Best defense in the NFL.Reload. They could've been real close to fielding one of the leagues best teams this year with probably just another good WR, a TE, some OL back up and good health. It might just be a few really good players. Maybe just two.
Then that is good news because it’s another reason to get him re-signed before it voids.His dead money hit is $13.5mil in 2020 only if his contract is allowed to void in March (it stays $13.5mil even if he's re-signed, if he's resigned after the contract voids). If he is extended before the contract voids his dead money hit is $6.75mil in 2020 and $6.75mil in 2021. And obviously any cap hit from the new or extended contract is on top of those dead money cap hits.
I'm undecided if Brady has regressed and has aged... Last season the same thing happened hence 13 points in the Superbowl. We say he had a beat up gronk and not having him this season stunted Brady
We have a plethora of excuses for the subpar offense rangibg from new era to a bad line... No tight ends... And then the injuries but i don't get it. Even the worst teams could get guys open whether man or zone defense. They couldn't even get pick plays right. Im Getting more the feel it might be time to move on unfortunately.
If we had average offense we would have a legit shot at a sb. Take away the defensive and special teams scores I bet the offense was at the bottom
Best defense in the NFL.
Offense was average but better red zone offense probably would have been enough all by itself to be championship worthy.
12-5 with 4 of the 5 losses within a possession.
Better red zone offense wins at least 3 of the 5.
Agree completely. We have to start in the trenches on both sides of the ball. As you stated, if we lost Thuney, a dire situation becomes even worse. Throw the Andrews uncertainty in the mix, and you have some serious concerns. I wouldn’t be surprised if we target OL & DL heavily in the draft. Even with the 2 rooks coming back from injury, our depth will need some improvement. On the DL, we need some BEEF!!!Regardless of the Brady resolution, I think the key to this offseason is rebuilding both lines, which includes the TE position.
- allows you to use Michel who has proven capable enough when given holes, which can help our offense look like the 2018 playoff offense again. And of course it would limit the chances of Brady/other QB getting destroyed out there when passing like Brady was this year .
- allows the team to stop the run better creating more 2nd and 3rd and longs. BB usually tries to be ahead of the curve but this year he was behind the curve - he finally built a defense that could stop/slow down the passing games of 2018 KC and 2017 Philly, but missed the total recommitment to the run and/or QB option that Baltimore and, to a lesser extent, Houston and Tennessee implemented. They lost to all 3. That’s got to eat at BB whose bread and butter for years was stopping the run above all else.
To that end, they need to know if Andrews is capable of coming back and how effective he will be. Same with Develin. If not, they need stud replacements ASAP; Karras and Roberts did admirable jobs but should not be long term solutions. If Thuney goes, they absolutely need a mauler to replace him. They cannot go into the season with that disaster at 3rd tackle again this year, knowing Wynn’s and Cannon’s injury histories and that Cannon is closer to the end than otherwise.
Obviously there’s only one Gronk. But they lost Allen too last year, and the two of them were the best TE blocking duo in the NFL in 2018. Not only were our 2019 TEs terrible in the passing game, but they couldn’t block for squat. Recommit to reloading the TE position with at least capable blockers if they can’t find a decent all around option.
They need upgrades at WR too, but given the huge cap hit with acquiring a veteran and the issues the team has had drafting/integrating young ones, I feel like they’re more likely to succeed in getting players that will succeed here by prioritizing the lines and TE, where they have proven success in drafting/integrating those players over the years.
It’s going to be interesting to follow this offseason. The direction we go is going to have to start with #12. He stays, he goes, two completely different ways to build.What happens when this team slips is it makes philosophical/scheme changes along with personnel
2002 the defense stank. 2003 the changed from 43 to 34 brought in players and won a Sb on the strength of a great defense.
2006 offense slipped as passing game became more critical due to rule changes. In come moss and welker and the slot-revolving scheme is created.
2009 offense struggled without welker and the scheme became exposed. In comes the creation of the 2 TE base and gronk and the murderer.
2011-12 pass defense issues, leads to switch switch over to nickel base then acquire revis and browner and win a Sb
So I think what we are going to see this off season is a combination of scheme and personnel changes on offense designed at correcting the flaws that have been exposed in the current personell and schemes as well
as being ahead of the curve of league wide changes. My instinct is that this will be a move toward a more efficient, less big play oriented offense that is good in the red zone. That may include a return to the 2 TE base with at least one being a great blocker, shoring up the OL as a priority, or it could be something else. In any event the 2020 offense is going to look very different schematically than 2019 did. That’s a very safe bet if you are paying attention to the history.
Right it’s not saying they didn’t lose them it’s saying the margin is thin.In their 5 losses:
- They out-gained their opponents in 2 of them (Hou, Ten).
- They got screwed by the refs in one of them (KC).
- The opponents recovered all five fumbles they lost in two of them, a 1-in-32 chance of happening (Mia, Ten).
- An Edelman drop likely cost them one game (Ten).
I mean, they lost those games. Plain and simple. This isn't whining. It's simply pointing out that they were REALLY close to going like 14-2.
And the two Bills games and the Cowboys game they could have lost. The Texans game they outgained them with a bunch of plastic yards at the end when Houston went into a very crappy prevent defense.In their 5 losses:
- They out-gained their opponents in 2 of them (Hou, Ten).
- They got screwed by the refs in one of them (KC).
- The opponents recovered all five fumbles they lost in two of them, a 1-in-32 chance of happening (Mia, Ten).
- An Edelman drop likely cost them one game (Ten).
I mean, they lost those games. Plain and simple. This isn't whining. It's simply pointing out that they were REALLY close to going like 14-2.