Trade #4 overall for Myles Garret

[PWRxWLF]

I'd like Carter or Graham with the 1st pick.
Create PRESSURE, you'll have a chance.

Graham all the way. 6’3” and 320 lbs of dough boy wrecking ball. Get him into an nfl training program and watch him grow into a man over the next few seasons. He’s going to be a special talent.

 

[jdlboot14]

If Garrett would agree to a half-decent 4yr $ deal, then yes.
Carter, Campbell, Hunter, Graham - are not only rookies, so unproven, they aren't close to Myles level of dominant.
He would anchor a rebuilt DL - half of our issue. And can play for 4+ years at high level, (still only 29)

What I'd prefer is Pats trade down to 12-16, and trade that pick for him. That way we pick up an extra high 2nd round pick.
Then get a LT & DT or WR in the 2nd.

 

[goheels22002]

I work in the trades, and I can tell you from years of experience that the first thing you do is to put the roof on. Once that is done you dig the foundation. But in the meantime be sure to buy a really expensive car to put in the driveway, because the garage will end up being too expensive to build when all is said and done.

Look, the Patriots have $132M in cap space in 2025. Garrett fits within that and still leave enough to sign a top-shelf veteran OT and additional players at various positions.

29-year-old Myles Garrett has a two-year deal for a total of $39M for 2025 - 2026. At less than $20M per season, the Pats could add Garrett and a couple of years with incentives that are voidable. Garrett is an elite DL talent who addresses a main issue for a first round pick. No rookie is going to bring the kind of veteran presence and skill level from day one like that. They'd have good players around him, especially if Bentley comes back at the level he showed us before his injury.

I'd argue that the Patriots need to spend big money on both the offensive and defensive lines in 2025. That is, to use you analogy, putting a good roof on the house. I've argued all along that the Patriots should use that #4 overall pick in the Texas OT Kelvin Banks, Jr., but if they could get Myles Garrett, I'd do that and use the second round pick on a tackle and go hunting for an affordable WR in the $15M per year range for three years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Browns are going to demand 2 first round picks. They shouldn’t even consider it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Look, the Patriots have $132M in cap space in 2025. Garrett fits within that and still leave enough to sign a top-shelf veteran OT and additional players at various positions.

29-year-old Myles Garrett has a two-year deal for a total of $39M for 2025 - 2026. At less than $20M per season, the Pats could add Garrett and a couple of years with incentives that are voidable. Garrett is an elite DL talent who addresses a main issue for a first round pick. No rookie is going to bring the kind of veteran presence and skill level from day one like that. They'd have good players around him, especially if Bentley comes back at the level he showed us before his injury.

I'd argue that the Patriots need to spend big money on both the offensive and defensive lines in 2025. That is, to use you analogy, putting a good roof on the house. I've argued all along that the Patriots should use that #4 overall pick in the Texas OT Kelvin Banks, Jr., but if they could get Myles Garrett, I'd do that and use the second round pick on a tackle and go hunting for an affordable WR in the $15M per year range for three years.

My analogy was putting the roof on before it is framed.

 

[Sciz]

Interesting tidbit on the Draft Stock Exchange podcast. They did a show about the possibility of Cleveland trading Garrett and concluded that if they traded him they would need to release Jack Conklin to manage the cap ramifications.

Jack Conklin LOVES Mike Vrabel, and would be an immediate answer at RT for the Patriots.

Yes, but it also shouldn’t take a Garrett trade for the Browns to recognize that the $15M currently earmarked for Conklin can likely be used better elsewhere.

 

[dliverey44]

Trading for 4 Garret is ass9, now if you trade down to the 20s and trade that fist for Garrett we can talk,

I would be down for that. Thats actually a great idea and if we another 2nd and 3rd plus whatever. We could trade a 4th for Deebo or Kupp, while not solving the "WR #1" thing that everyone seems to think we need. We would have turned pick 4 into a perennial double digit sack man and a quality WR plus whoever we draft with the other picks.

Great call

 

[dliverey44]

He'll also be 30 next season, no way

Yes, 29 December he will be 30. You are technically correct but....

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I would be down for that. Thats actually a great idea and if we another 2nd and 3rd plus whatever. We could trade a 4th for Deebo or Kupp, while not solving the "WR #1" thing that everyone seems to think we need. We would have turned pick 4 into a perennial double digit sack man and a quality WR plus whoever we draft with the other picks.

Great call

The one problem with this is that it's not a given that anyone is willing to trade up to 4.

 

[patfanken]

I'm surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has. This idea was never worth more than media click bait to start with. MG to the Pats is a very bad idea for the Pats, and an EQUALLY bad idea for Garrett. I can't think of a worse fit for either side. This is just more BS from the "we have to spend like idiots crowd". You know the kind of organizations that we USED to laugh at every FA period.

Just a pet peeve (when I remember it), that occurred to me as I read the last couple of pages. Pretty much everyone who quotes the salary cap number ALWAYS uses it without any context. UNLESS you add the number of players under contract, what the cap really mean. For example, if you need to sign 30 new players to get to 53, then it doesn't matter how much you have. If you only need to sign or resign 10-12 guys, then it means an entirely different thing. It really is an important thing to add.

And that being said, I have heard a LOT of numbers given for the Pats cap number from $70MM to $130MM in this so recent post. I would be interested to know just what IS our number, who is being sited, and how many players we currently have under contract; Thanks

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And that being said, I have heard a LOT of numbers given for the Pats cap number from $70MM to $130MM in this so recent post. I would be interested to know just what IS our number, who is being sited, and how many players we currently have under contract; Thanks

No idea where $70M is coming from. OvertheCap.com has them at just under $120M, Spotrac.com at $123M. Miguel has them at a bit under $130M based on upward adjustments (the exact source of which I cannot recall at this point).

 

[goheels22002]

I'm surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has. This idea was never worth more than media click bait to start with. MG to the Pats is a very bad idea for the Pats, and an EQUALLY bad idea for Garrett. I can't think of a worse fit for either side. This is just more BS from the "we have to spend like idiots crowd". You know the kind of organizations that we USED to laugh at every FA period.

Just a pet peeve (when I remember it), that occurred to me as I read the last couple of pages. Pretty much everyone who quotes the salary cap number ALWAYS uses it without any context. UNLESS you add the number of players under contract, what the cap really mean. For example, if you need to sign 30 new players to get to 53, then it doesn't matter how much you have. If you only need to sign or resign 10-12 guys, then it means an entirely different thing. It really is an important thing to add.

And that being said, I have heard a LOT of numbers given for the Pats cap number from $70MM to $130MM in this so recent post. I would be interested to know just what IS our number, who is being sited, and how many players we currently have under contract; Thanks

The Patriots have 54 players under contract, only $6.2M in Dead Cap (lowest in the NFL), and on 2-18-2025 $123.5M in cap space (most in the NFL.) They have lots of room to maneuver. 2025 NFL Team Salary Cap Tracker

 

[Huckleberry1]

You know what Cousin, I think you are right. How do they do it with their CAP.Howie Rossen of the Eagles might be even a betting man's pick. Graham is retiring. They are going to lose Milton Williams(Patriots?) in FA.

If they were not in the same conference, this smells like a Ravens deal.

He's not coming here because we ROT. This time next year I can see us with a possible 8 wins.....not playoff but competitive if you don't let Groh or Wolfe near a telephone to orchestrate our roster. Hire snipers.

My formula is we have needs on both sides of the ball. The Ravens get away with a mediocre WR room but of course have Lamar. They have a good defense. The Bills can't knock down the door because their defense is still lacking. The Broncos became relevant this year because although Nix played well, their defense got better. Detroit could have won the whole ball of wax with less injuries on defense.

One half of our needs are via FA and the rest the Draft. Use your assets accordingly if you want to swing trades. Remember NFL proven players will help the Pats faster than a Draft pick which upon average is a two -three year learning curve.

My list oF FA or trades includes the following trades::

TRADES:
Jeffrey Simmons DT Titans (was on the block last season. loves Vrabel)

DK Metcalf WR Hawks (might have to send Joe Milton out west. Better than most of this years class. They are listening to Trades)

More at WR? Deebo....we need playmakers. Teams will have to plan for him. .....or.......Kupp. CK will be important to the growth of Maye the nest few years.

FA

LT Cam Robinson. Younger and less than Stanley or I would not say no to him.

DT Milton Williams but he will be expensive

RB Najee Harris

CB Charvarious Ward

DRAFT

Swap with Saints fo pick #9 and and 2nd and 4th rounder and take TE, Tyler Warren

Pick OT Conerly

Pick DE Jack Sawyer

Pick WR Savion Williams

Pick LB Danny Stutsman


And so forth.......But Warren is a must. Hooper will leave.


DW Toys

DW, you wanted them to trade the #3 pick last year, which would mean they would not have a franchise QB now. Anyone who didn’t want Drake Maye has no ground to stand on in criticizing Wolf. He’s the reason the have a franchise QB and 130 million plus to spend in free agency this year.

 

[VJCPatriot]

DW, you wanted them to trade the #3 pick last year, which would mean they would not have a franchise QB now. Anyone who didn’t want Drake Maye has no ground to stand on in criticizing Wolf. He’s the reason the have a franchise QB and 130 million plus to spend in free agency this year.

Drake Maye was a layup pick. The best player available at #3 without a doubt.

Wolf just avoided making the dumb move and trading down for a lesser talent, as BB would have done had he still been GM. Yes he went on the record saying he would have traded down to take Michigan QB JJ McCarthy.

My problem is not with the Maye pick, it's EVERY 2024 pick taken after Maye has been bad.

I'm not sold on Wolf yet. But this upcoming draft is crucial to help building the support around Maye that the 2024 draft did not do at all. Those tackles we drafted, none of them could sniff starting rotation. The wide receivers? Terrible. So now it's even more important that we get some immediate contributors from this 2025 draft.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

Myles Garrett is worth every dollar whatever team who gets him his willing to spend on him

He’s not worth a #4 pick for a rebuilding team